Iran has received request from China to make a connection between Gwadar and Chabahar

[mike2000 is back]

How ridiculous are you claiming our economy is totally dependent on U.S？How old are you？

All I saw is a nationalist like you talking big but don't know how your country‘s right position and how the world is running today，I have little patient talking to kid like you .You made be me remember in the 60's the brainwashed red soldiers in our country.they were screaming "death to USSR and USA" all the time and swallowed by their anger， being hostile towards every foreigner but never knew what really make a strong country .

I have no words for you If you really think what your country doing is indeed challgenging the western hememony I don't know how many Iranians are like you ，if there are so many.then good luck to your country

Meanwhile we will keep challenging the west by learning from them. trading with them，catching them in every areas one by one ,and you can keep screaming to them .Let's agree to disagree and see who will succeed in the long term

That was a well thought and measured response. Especially the bold part. I agree with all your points.
This so something Iranian clerical system/rulers need to learn from China. China has been there, done that. Nothing good came out of it. So Iran should swallow its pride and learn from you people. You can't challenge a far superior adversary/enemy just with slogans and pride, that's just useless propaganda that achieves nothing tangible for the country. You need to be strong technologically, economically, militarily, culturally, educationally and scientifically you name it. You need to significantly match or surpass them before adopting such radical head on hostility. So there is no shame in adopting a moderate policy or cooperating with them until you grow enough to be able to challenge them head on FOR REAL. Just like Deng Xiaoping famously said: ''Keep a cool head and maintain a low profile. Never take the lead - but aim to do something big."
I couldn't have said it any better. China has followed his policy/words very smartly this past decades.

 

[Muhammed45]

How ridiculous are you claiming our economy is totally dependent on U.S？How old are you？

All I saw is a nationalist like you talking big but don't know how your country‘s right position and how the world is running today，I have little patient talking to kid like you .You made be me remember in the 60's the brainwashed red soldiers in our country.they were screaming "death to USSR and USA" all the time and swallowed by their anger， being hostile towards every foreigner but never knew what really make a strong country .

I have no words for you If you really think what your country doing is indeed challgenging the western hememony I don't know how many Iranians are like you ，if there are so many.then good luck to your country

Meanwhile we will keep challenging the west by learning from them. trading with them，catching them in every areas one by one ,and you can keep screaming to them .Let's agree to disagree and see who will succeed in the long term

You have your own thoughts friend. China is already a friendly country, i think so

But there are some facts that you need to know, trusting those oppressor regimes and depending on their designed economy/policy would make your country a puppet in the long run. Chinese folks are/were brave i have no doubt, but what i see from China is a globalized country which has to follow US policies. It's witness was sanctioning Iran back in 2005-2012. Maybe you call it interest but i call it being aligned with oppressor regimes like US. I wish the bests for Chinese folks, but in long term, we shall see

 

[q12093487q]

You have your own thoughts friend. China is already a friendly country, i think so

But there are some facts that you need to know, trusting those oppressor regimes and depending on their designed economy/policy would make your country a puppet in the long run. Chinese folks are/were brave i have no doubt, but what i see from China is a globalized country which has to follow US policies. It's witness was sanctioning Iran back in 2005-2012. Maybe you call it interest but i call it being aligned with oppressor regimes like US. I wish the bests for Chinese folks, but in long term, we shall see

My friend ,This world is not simply made up by either black or white,we don't trust the west but we know if china want to earn back our rightful history position we have to give up our pride to learn from them.There is no shame to learn from your competitor or enemy

China have so many great dynasties but aslo have been a lot of dark and painful time，in our chinese eyes ，our history is like a wave in the river，sometimes you go up and sometimes you go down then up and down forever .being weak is nothing big deal.time will always made us being strong again .This is the secret why china can maintain itselves for thousands of years

Maybe china in your eyes is just to follow the western rules in the past few decades,but when we are growing stronger and stronger you will see we are starting to challenge them and creating our own rules.Actually it has already begun in some areas,you can see what china is doing recent years.

Because our history,We chinese used to think for long and plan for long .Trust me,when it comes about long term plan no one can beat us.some hundred years of plan you will only heard in china

Talking about iran,many chinese actually have good impression about iran .Since I am just an outsider ， I won't tell you what should do，what not to do.but in my opinion, if iran want to gain back its rightful history position it will also need a period of time painfully to transform itselves just like china did before. In fact if you look at western countries .their history also had gone through some dark and painful time before they finally got strong and modernized.I believe no country in the world can skip that pain if it really want to become a great nation

And thanks for your bless，I aslo wish the best to iranians，may your country have a glory future

 

[royalharris]

Why the people so yawnful to argue with the psychotic?
From idiot point of view, everyone should be idiots, otherwise it is incorrect

 

[Ocean]

keep these big talks for those who don't know if it wasn't because of U.S.A, now a good part of your country was being called Japan!

China has never been able to challenge U.S hegemony, your economy is totally dependent on U.S, after the fall of USSR there was only one country which stood against U.S hegemony and it was Iran, U.S spent 7 trillion dollars in one decade, once attacked Afghanistan east of Iran with the excuse of fighting Al-Qaeda (the terrorist group which was founded by themselves), then they attacked Iraq, west of Iran with the excuse of chemical weapons (which again they gave to Saddam themselves), during this whole time the target was Iran, simply U.S exhausted it's fire power to contain Iran, and still is doing so heavily, guess why U.S CENTCOM is in the middle east?! is the middle east located in the center of U.S.A? yes, it is but not geographically!

the reason that China isn't being labeled the biggest state sponsor of terrorism by U.S is because Iran has already occupied that title. the reason that U.S has moderate policies against China (regardless of all of the conflicts which you know better) is to prevent China going viral and get close to Iran (remember American's strategic mistake in Syria and how Russia and Iran got close).

another point is energy, there are many strategists which believe if Iran would join Germany during WWII, now things were different. if it wasn't because of Iran, the whole world's energy was in control of U.S, can your mind evaluate the effect of such thing on your country?!

No, my comment wasn't affected by neither emotions nor nationalism, what about you?

Even gravity force on earth is due to iran.

You have your own thoughts friend. China is already a friendly country, i think so

But there are some facts that you need to know, trusting those oppressor regimes and depending on their designed economy/policy would make your country a puppet in the long run. Chinese folks are/were brave i have no doubt, but what i see from China is a globalized country which has to follow US policies. It's witness was sanctioning Iran back in 2005-2012. Maybe you call it interest but i call it being aligned with oppressor regimes like US. I wish the bests for Chinese folks, but in long term, we shall see

So only if china sanctioned u cause of usa how does that mean that china follows west?
Also ur biggest ally india also sanctioned u and cancelled oil purchase agreements with u so?

 

[Ocean]

How ridiculous are you claiming our economy is totally dependent on U.S？How old are you？

All I saw is a nationalist like you talking big but don't know how your country‘s right position and how the world is running today，I have little patient talking to kid like you .You made be me reminded in the 60's the brainwashed red soldiers in our country.they were screaming "death to USSR and USA" all the time and swallowed by their anger， being hostile towards every foreigner but never knew what really make a strong country .

I have no words for you If you really think what your country doing is indeed challenging the western hememony. I don't know how many Iranians are like you ，if there are so many.then good luck to your country

Meanwhile we will keep challenging the west by learning from them. trading with them，catching them in every areas one by one ,and you can keep screaming to them .Let's agree to disagree and see who will succeed in the long term

his remarkable geniud reflected in his comment when he wrote "chinas economy depends on usa"
From 2016 data only 18.6 pc exports form china went to usa. Naturally it will be a shock if this trade gets effected but china can absorb it. http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

Also why the heck strong iran needed to abandon nuclear program and negotiate a nuclear deal.

If usa wanted it could have attacked iran but usa knew she needs a shia state too against sunni states , use both of them to keep fighting each other. Whatelse is happening in middle east?

On topic : till iran nabs all kulbushans any such inter port connection should be reassessed. Also who does the superpower iran needs,

 

[graphican]

China should not be making such requests or decisions. Gwadar is Pakistan's land and should be a Pakistan's decision.

Without Pakistan's concent, this would not have been initiated.

 

[q12093487q]

his remarkable geniud reflected in his comment when he wrote "chinas economy depends on usa"
From 2016 data only 18.6 pc exports form china went to usa. Naturally it will be a shock if this trade gets effected but china can absorb it. http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

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Even if china's 100pc of exports go to US it doesn't mean we are totally dependant on them,because china's domestic market has been growing much larger than any country in the world including US.Just do some basic research you will find almost every kind of consumer product we buy the most in the world now.Even in the box office we are going to surpass the US,this is why the hollywood don't dare to say a single bad word against CCP in their movies recent years since they are dying for entering chinese market，which is unimaginable 20 years ago

 

[idune]

China should not be making such requests or decisions. Gwadar is Pakistan's land and should be a Pakistan's decision.

If such proposal was made, one can be 100% certain China did not make request without consultation with Pakistan.

 

[mohsen]

his remarkable geniud reflected in his comment when he wrote "chinas economy depends on usa"
From 2016 data only 18.6 pc exports form china went to usa. Naturally it will be a shock if this trade gets effected but china can absorb it. http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

Also why the heck strong iran needed to abandon nuclear program and negotiate a nuclear deal.

If usa wanted it could have attacked iran but usa knew she needs a shia state too against sunni states , use both of them to keep fighting each other. Whatelse is happening in middle east?

On topic : till iran nabs all kulbushans any such inter port connection should be reassessed. Also who does the superpower iran needs,

and your stupidity shines all over your comment, your brain has failed to realize that the real dependency lies in import and not export!
without importing tech, there will be no production at all, let alone export! If U.S and it's allies wrap up their assembly lines in China, what Chinese can produce? how many PCs they can produce if Intel don't give them the CPU?! Chinese industry is just a big assembly line which without western permission will shut down immediately.

Iran didn't need to abandon the nuclear program, but it was needed to ordinary people see the consequences of trusting Americans and their allies. JCPOA managed to suspend our nuclear program but sanctions remained in place and even increased, economy went down even with greater speed. this lesson had a far greater importance.

The whole U.S navy in the Persian gulf is like a hostage to Iranian, only fools can think the otherwise, but Americans aren't those fools.

 

[q12093487q]

and your stupidity shines all over your comment, your brain has failed to realize that the real dependency lies in import and not export!
without importing tech, there will be no production at all, let alone export! If U.S and it's allies wrap up their assembly lines in China, what Chinese can produce? how many PCs they can produce if Intel don't give them the CPU?! Chinese industry is just a big assembly line which without western permission will shut down immediately.

Iran didn't need to abandon the nuclear program, but it was needed to ordinary people see the consequences of trusting Americans and their allies. JCPOA managed to suspend our nuclear program but sanctions remained in place and even increased, economy went down even with greater speed. this lesson had a far greater importance.

The whole U.S navy in the Persian gulf is like a hostage to Iranian, only fools can think the otherwise, but Americans aren't those fools.

Thanks for reminding us that we can't produce this we can't produce that，you sound very familiar to those redneck in America“ china can't do this，china can't do that“” if we stop trading with them ，they will collapse"，bla..bla.. same tone every year.If not you are showing your national flag，I almost thought you are one of them .Actually US indeed banned their CPU export to some china‘s supercomputering center to obstruct china developing our own supercomputers

Guess what ?We are producing our own CPU,although we still have a long way to go, but things are starting to change， the world fastest supercomputer SunwayTaihuLight its CPU is totally designed in china，next step will be in the field of personal consumption，Huawei’s new phone has already using their own Kirin 970 instead.

Thanks for your iranians for having a high standard requirement to our chinese，but don't be hurry ,Everything has to go step by step .We know we still has lots of things to catch.You won't be disappointed in the end.

By the way ,you can check a member here@Martain2 ,his thread was mainly about the booming semiconductor industry in china.You are welcome

 

[BATMAN]

Chabahar has been aimed at Eastern EU markets

According to Indians.... Chabahar is alternate supply route of US.

Oh u.mean noora league & zardari league decision ?????
Because only those 2 fools will think in that way , pleasing the father trump ???

I think now is time of Imran Khan... both noora and zardari are out of power.

 

[Muhammed45]

According to Indians.... Chabahar is alternate supply route of US.

US !

Are you kidding me? You mean that IRAN gives a route to US

If this is not one of those theories from our BATMAN !, maybe Indians have just said that to hurt your feelings. We have security/military coop only with Pakistan. US can eat it's own shit, transferring several tonnes of wheat to AFG doesn't mean that Iran has given a route or something military to an other country. It's just economy, Pakistan is also using that route to reach EU, already!!!

 

[batmannow]

According to Indians.... Chabahar is alternate supply route of US.



I think now is time of Imran Khan... both noora and zardari are out of power.

Sir ,
You really think ,iran will listen to anyone , regurding USA just sitting on chabhar ???
Yes , its about time to bring imran khan , to check what he can really do , once into power?

 

[BABA AGHORI]

You are missing the main point every one is looking what these 2 ports will do north side but missing what will these 2 ports do to the south side. China is coming in the Indian ocean and this is where the whole oil trade passes. USA is pissed on Iran and Pakistan because of this interlinking as USA thought India will separate Chahbahar from Gawadar and China will not be able to reach Iraq and Syria but now with this link they are going in every direction and USA is again Fcuked.

China doesn't need Gawadar to reach Syria or Iraq, they only need it to reach Africa and Gulf.