Iran eyeing strategic partnership with Iranic Kurds

[explorer9]

One should be very stupid to soppurt this kind of thinking. Everybody knows it is the dream of Israel to have a neighbor which is not a Arab country. A none Arab country from Israel to Armenia. Israel always has supported separatist Kurd in Surya, Iran, Iraq and Turkey. Even the owner of this article is Israeli, too.

It is very childish to think separatist will omit Iran. It is a 4 step procedure. Iraq and Syria completed. After Turkey it will be our turn. So let to have another point of view: We dangerously risk part of our beloved Iran to take some temporary advantages in providing a questionable infinite amount of soppurt against Al-Asad. I will never take a stupid share in scarfing our mother land.

This is totally a misunderstood political issue. If we are right at providing rights for minorities there is a huge gap in initial rights in Iran as an example for the minority of Kurd. Besm ...

Actually it is the support of Iran that made Al-Assad stubborn in his approach to handle the protest against his rule. The Syrian issue has crossed the negotiation stage. Just analyze the frequency and the pattern of the PKK attack inside Turkey and its repercussion on the geopolitics of Turkey, Levant & Iran.

have a look on this article.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/203682-egypt-thumbs-nose-us.html

 

[Azatavrear]

Don't make wise *** comments. Iran is close friends of Iraq, Armenia and Tajikistan. That's already 3 countries. We also have very little problem with Pakistan, Turkemenistan and Turkey. On the other hand Turkey has problems with Greece, Armenia, Iraq's central govt, Syria etc...

Must be that Turkish FM Dovutoglu's Zero problems with neighbors policy.....or maybe that old Turkish saying that Turks have no friends but Turks.

 

[Abii]

One should be very stupid to soppurt this kind of thinking. Everybody knows it is the dream of Israel to have a neighbor which is not aد Arab country. A none Arab country from Israel to Armenia. Israel always has supported separatist Kurd in Surya, Iran, Iraq and Turkey. Even the owner of this article is Israeli, too.

It is very childish to think separatist will omit Iran. It is a 4 step procedure. Iraq and Syria completed. After Turkey it will be our turn. So let to have another point of view: We dangerously risk part of our beloved Iran to take some temporary advantages in providing a questionable infinite amount of soppurt for Al-Asad. I will never take a stupid share in scarfing our mother land.

This is totally a misunderstood political issue. If we are right at providing rights for minorities there is a huge gap in initial rights in Iran as an example for the minority of Kurd. Besm ...

You're not looking at the issue deeply.

1) The kurdish secterian divide in Iran is in our favour. Out of the 7 million kurds of IRan, 4 million are shia. That leaves only 3 mln potential PKK sympathizers.

2) Iranian kurds live alongside Azeris. They will never in a trillion years be able to ever accomplish anything by force in the Azeri majority provinces of IRan. In other nations, Kurds live in kurdish majority areas. In Iran, they don't have that Kurdish belt to rely on.

3) out of the 3 mln sunni kurds, most of them aren't that willing to rock the boat compared to kurds in other regions. They're living in an Iranic country already and it takes very little to get their support. Open up a Kurdish school or two and you'll have their votes.

 

[iajj]

Must be that Turkish FM Dovutoglu's Zero problems with neighbors policy.....or maybe that old Turkish saying that Turks have no friends but Turks.

The sad reality is that "zero problems" is not so much a policy for these pan-turkics (for what else can pan-turkics be but problems and menace to all of mankind?) as a statement of despair - looking around in eurasia a turkic cannot find any friendly faces except those of equally sinister, unwelcome and despised jews. "zero problems" is just a vapid slogan that drugs and soothes a hysterically paranoid and insecure turkey that is utterly resented and friendless on all fronts.

 

[explorer9]

You're not looking at the issue deeply.

1) The kurdish secterian divide in Iran is in our favour. Out of the 7 million kurds of IRan, 4 million are shia. That leaves only 3 mln potential PKK sympathizers.

2) Iranian kurds live alongside Azeris. They will never in a trillion years be able to ever accomplish anything by force in the Azeri majority provinces of IRan. In other nations, Kurds live in kurdish majority areas. In Iran, they don't have that Kurdish belt to rely on.

3) out of the 3 mln sunni kurds, most of them aren't that willing to rock the boat compared to kurds in other regions. They're living in an Iranic country already and it takes very little to get their support. Open up a Kurdish school or two and you'll have their votes.

That is the policy decision and if the clerical regime is able to take the decision on education in ethnic language and minority religious rights then things will be different for Iran.. But, i doubt with the incumbent rulers of Vilayte faghih doctrin to do so

 

[Ir.Tab.]

You're not looking at the issue deeply.

1) The kurdish secterian divide in Iran is in our favour. Out of the 7 million kurds of IRan, 4 million are shia. That leaves only 3 mln potential PKK sympathizers.

2) Iranian kurds live alongside Azeris. They will never in a trillion years be able to ever accomplish anything by force in the Azeri majority provinces of IRan. In other nations, Kurds live in kurdish majority areas. In Iran, they don't have that Kurdish belt to rely on.

3) out of the 3 mln sunni kurds, most of them aren't that willing to rock the boat compared to kurds in other regions. They're living in an Iranic country already and it takes very little to get their support. Open up a Kurdish school or two and you'll have their votes.

This Idea is not compatible with the fact of tens of thousands of un-headed Iranian solders in Kurdistan.

 

[Abii]

This Idea is not compatible with the fact of tens of thousands of un-headed Iranian solders in Kurdistan.

tens of thousands? hmmm....
Do you have a source?

I'm not talking about the times when Iran's pop'n was 10 mln. I'm talking about today's Iran and recent decades. Kurds simply don't have their own 'kurdish belt' in Iran compared to what we see in Iraq, Turkey and Syria. They live in regions dominated by Azaris and Parsis. Do we agree on this? I'm not talking about small cities, but comparable geographical blocks dominated by Kurds like that of Northern Iraq and Eastern Turkey.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

One should be very stupid to soppurt this kind of thinking. Everybody knows it is the dream of Israel to have a neighbor which is not aد Arab country. A none Arab country from Israel to Armenia. Israel always has supported separatist Kurd in Surya, Iran, Iraq and Turkey. Even the owner of this article is Israeli, too.

It is very childish to think separatist will omit Iran. It is a 4 step procedure. Iraq and Syria completed. After Turkey it will be our turn. So let to have another point of view: We dangerously risk part of our beloved Iran to take some temporary advantages in providing a questionable infinite amount of soppurt for Al-Asad. I will never take a stupid share in scarfing our mother land.

This is totally a misunderstood political issue. If we are right at providing rights for minorities there is a huge gap in initial rights in Iran as an example for the minority of Kurd. Besm ...

So what do you think should be the strategy? When Turkey is going against all of our interests in entire region, what should be our response?

Also I think you are too obsessed with Israel. Israel is only a problem because of our decisions, as soon as we stop supporting Palestinians, then they will leave us alone.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

A recent sample was 19 have been killed altogether by separatist in 2011, when the pop's of Iran was over 70 mln.

There are vast area in Iran where the Kurd are dominant. Thanks god the majority have been loyal to Iran up to this point. But it is clear the separatist movements are far mor serious than other parts in Iran. Do you see the map of great Kurdistan?

 

[Azatavrear]

So what do you think should be the strategy? When Turkey is going against all of our interests in entire region, what should be our response?

they want a unconditional surrender.....they know nothing about Iran.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

So what do you think should be the strategy? When Turkey is going against all of our interests in entire region, what should be our response?

Also I think you are too obsessed with Israel. Israel is only a problem because of our decisions, as soon as we stop supporting Palestinians, then they will leave us alone.

you can not find something insulting in whole my posts against Israel. But I think she is the only country threatens the Iran to serve an air-strike! Let us to have a second look to those interest you are talking about. Please clarify what are our interests.

I am more with Era. Iran should be the most important thing for us in every decision.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

you can not find something insulting in whole my posts against Israel. But I think she is the only country threatens the Iran to serve a air-attack! Let us to have a second look to those interest you are talking about. Please clarify what are our interests.

I am more with Era. Iran should be the most important thing for us in every decision.

Mainly interests of Islamic Republic are Shia crescent (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon), no need for me to write more on what is happening here. Other interest include not to get attacked, lol, then Turkey put up Nato shield mainly against us. There are many other interests as well...

In regards to Israel we agree, they pose most immediate danger. I hope every day that this crazy Netanyahu doesn't do something stupid.

 

[Abii]

A recent sample was 19 have been killed altogether by separatist in 2011, when the pop's of Iran was over 70 mln.

Iran loses more people in fist fights than that.
you said tens of thousands, I asked for a source and you say 19 have been killed. Nobody is saying that it doesn't exist, but it's nothing major.

These elements in Iran also have the backing of PKK in Iraq, Turkey and Syria. Considering that, 19 suddenly becomes a small number.

btw, those green areas on the map show where Kurds EXIST in Iran. It's not showing kurdish majority areas. Azaris are actually the majority in most of those green areas and that's the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Mainly interests of Islamic Republic are Shia crescent (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon), no need for me to write more on what is happening here. Other interest include not to get attacked, lol, then Turkey put up Nato shield mainly against us. There are many other interests as well...

In regards to Israel we agree, they pose most immediate danger. I hope every day that this crazy Netanyahu doesn't do something stupid.

Yes, you are right. We should provide soppurt for not only for shia but also every people who are in danger of oppression. We are going to loss the face by providing infinite soppurt for Asad. Asad could not be a popular man in my opinion. Asad kills the people and killing is a big crime. Iran should replace Asad in Syria. Asad went a wrong way in a manner that the cost of providing supports for him is not reasonable.

Also Turkey is in wrong way. In this situation only extremist like Al-Ghaeda could survive. The danger of Al-Ghaeda is not less than PKK for Turkey. In my personal opinion Turkey & Iran are destroying each other in a the most stupid rivalry, history has seen.

I am not backing Turkey of providing NATO, that shield, but let us to have a look at world map, please. Are NATO missiles in Turkey could be in the way of our missiles to Israel?

US has gave the Israel advanced X band long range radar (which is part of missile shield installed in Turkey) and required missile technology to develop Arrow family missiles. Israel seems to be totally independent in missile defense system. To be honest at current situation Israeli system is in more advanced step compare to NATO shield.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Yes, you are right. We should provide soppurt for not only for shia but also every people who are in danger of oppression. We are going to loss the face by providing infinite soppurt for Asad. Asad could not be a popular man in my opinion. Asad kills the people and killing is a big crime. Iran should replace Asad in Syria. Asad went a wrong way in a manner that the cost of providing supports for him is not reasonable.

Also Turkey is in wrong way. In this situation only extremist like Al-Ghaeda could survive. The danger of Al-Ghaeda is not less than PKK for Turkey. In my personal opinion Turkey & Iran are destroying each other in a the most stupid rivalry, history has seen.

I am not backing Turkey of providing NATO, that shield, but let us to have a look at world map, please. Are NATO missiles in Turkey could be in the way of our missiles to Israel?

US has gave the Israel advanced X band long range radar (which is part of missile shield installed in Turkey) and required missile technology to develop Arrow family missiles. Israel seems to be totally independent in missile defense system. To be honest at current situation Israeli system is in more advanced step compare to NATO shield.

The Assad situation is complicated. He has for a long time been our ally and we also have defence agreement with him. If we stop helping him now, it means our promises and our word means nothing. Also his father Hafez Assad was one of few people who helped us during Saddam war, so we owe him and his family a lot. On top of that, as you mention yourself, what are the alternatives? The FSA? Who are mainly Al-Qaeda and wahabis supported by Saudi Arabia. I think Bashar Asad is 100X better then them. If there was true democratic movement in Syria then we should help, but I don't think there is.

Turkey and Iran have never in history been friends. Not from Safavid-Ottoman until now. We should just stay out of each others way. Not be friends, not be enemies. Just leave each other alone, like before when Turkey was interested in Europe.