Iran, China sign 25-year cooperation agreement

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Your view is simplistic, https://tass.com/politics/1262639 , Russia is deeply concerned as it should be.

Ukrainians lost their religion. Without religion, not brave.

 

[bshifter]

Ukrainians lost their religion. Without religion, not brave.

First read the article instead of putting simplistic reasons

 

[bshifter]

Well if you are talking few years ago, then yes. China was not ready to take on U.S over Taiwan but after 2020, world power have been shift. I'm sure China is very confidence on taking back Taiwan in next few years but in what kind of price China has to paid, is another big question.

next year years? Nonsense. China has lots of time and patience which is why it laid out a clear plan on how many types of ships are going to be constructed within 5-10 years. After that there will be another schedule on what military projects to start and finish. The only way Taiwan will be returned faster to China is that it declares itself as an independent county and that is never going to happen. China is taking its sweet time, Taiwanese gov keeps sweating so is the US because it knows the island cannot be defended. China is maximizing its chances of victory in a military confrontation while right now it is fighting an economic war. A decade ago China already had the power to sink US carriers and still kept on waiting for the right time to take Taiwan back. Within a few decades China will be many times more powerful than right now so no hurry.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Here is where you are wrong on luring Russia/Iran away. Trump tried to improve ties with Russia (a reverse Kissinger's plan of the honeymoon period between China and US) but his strategy faced a huge obstruction from the Russian collusion allegation. Bidden is just like the Obama administration targeting Russia. Things are heating up in the Donbass, US is pressuring Zelensky to invade, if they are foolish enough to do it Russia this time will march towards Kiev.

If Putin can change his stance to anti-China, then the US will definitely stop harassing Russia.

However, Putin is not that stupid to put his country in the frontline to be a cannon folder for the US.

And to align with China is the best interest for Russia.

That's why the US is now so eager to topple Putin and to install a new puppet, and that would advance as the western frontline to encircle China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If Iran were to purchase J-31 (a big if), they wouldn’t rely on Chinese armaments for too long and quickly move to equip it with its own domestic missiles and radar.

Only a fool would rely on China or US or Russia to supply your country with weapons for a fighter jet during conflict. Iran learned this the hard way.

I think Iran will usually ask for the TOT of the weapons they purchased.

Just like China, Iran has a very self-reliant mentality.

 

[FuturePAF]

If Iran were to purchase J-31 (a big if), they wouldn’t rely on Chinese armaments for too long and quickly move to equip it with its own domestic missiles and radar.

Only a fool would rely on China or US or Russia to supply your country with weapons for a fighter jet during conflict. Iran learned this the hard way.

With a large purchase like that, I’m sure they would insist on as much of a real ToT as possible. Including the radar, avionics, and engine.

 

[bshifter]

If Putin can change his stance to anti-China, then the US will definitely stop harassing Russia.

However, Putin is not that stupid to put his country in the frontline to be a cannon folder for the US.

And to align with China is the best interest for Russia.

That's why the US is now so eager to topple Putin and to install a new puppet, and that would advance as the western frontline to encircle China.

It is not about changing Putin's mind, Obama and Biden's administration never going to choose this strategy. It is also not about toppling Putin with a puppet because the law has already been passed, election too. Putin is staying in power and cannot afford to appear weak this time if Donbass comes under attack. He will make sure his troops will march all the way to Kiev and liberate Ukraine. US/NATO keep holding military exercises with Ukraine as in preparation for war. Russia is paying attention to this and it is getting hot.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It is not about changing Putin's mind, Obama and Biden's administration never going to choose this strategy. It is also not about toppling Putin with a puppet because the law has already been passed, election too. Putin is staying in power and cannot afford to appear weak this time if Donbass comes under attack. He will make sure his troops will march all the way to Kiev and liberate Ukraine. US/NATO keep holding military exercises with Ukraine as in preparation for war. Russia is paying attention to this and it is getting hot.

Obama did try in the beginning of his presidency.

But later they just realized that with Putin; Russia can never be converted into a pawn for the US.

So they believed it is a lost cause, so they changed their strategy to topple Putin first.

 

[925boy]

Military bases: Never

Economically/Militarily empowered Iran: Yes

We want to treat Iran equally as our partner, unlikely the US treating their allies as vassal states.

I agree. Even in those "debt trap" situations, China still gave those countries a GREAT opportunity by giving them access to funds other International entities would not fund, but many of them mismanaged their projects, budgets ,economy, and that led to them being insolvent aka being unable to pay China back, but that doesnt mean China did them bad or dirty, they just wasted opportunity..but CHina might've known they would waste the opportunity in the first place. smh

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I agree. Even in those "debt trap" situations, China still gave those countries a GREAT opportunity by giving them access to funds other International entities would not fund, but many of them mismanaged their projects, budgets ,economy, and that led to them being insolvent aka being unable to pay China back, but that doesnt mean China did them bad or dirty, they just wasted opportunity..but CHina might've known they would waste the opportunity in the first place. smh

The US always loves to paint China as some sort of loan shark.

Without any infrastructure, your economy can never be vitalized.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Iran won't go for Su-30. It is outdated. It lacks targeting pod, meaning it is not multi role. Armenia's Su-30 were useless when Azerbaijan invaded Artsakh. Armenia's Su-30 were not able to locate a single TB2 drone which flew low. Thousands of Armenian soldiers died for nothing.

 

[bshifter]

Obama did try in the beginning of his presidency.

But later they just realized that with Putin; Russia can never be converted into a pawn for the US.

So they believed it is a lost cause, so they changed their strategy to topple Putin first.

Putin was never lured away from China before Medvedev was the president. US has always been hostile towards Putin from the beginning when he first became President. Way before Medvedev. Nothing to do with LATER realizing Putin couldn't turned into a pawn.

 

[redtom]

Iranians have a law that prohibits other countries of having bases on Iranian territory, that is why several years ago when Russia stantioned some of it's stratigic bombers in Iran so that they can carry their maximum bomb load when they take off to Syria some Iranian politicians said that was unconstitutional and so the Russians were not allowed to stay even though having nuclear capable strategic bombers would have greatly enhanced Iranian security.
Furthermore a Chinese military base in Iran may be interpreted by gulf states as a Chinese commitment to Iran against the KSA so the chances of a base in Iran are zero.

However, if China enters Iran’s military bases only as training and maintenance personnel, it does not violate Iran’s laws. There is no need for China to directly participate in the war in Iran. China only needs to help Iran improve its military capabilities.

 

[Bengal71]

此框架下，考虑投资和融资、国际政治层面中相互支持，联合反恐斗争和举行联合演习以及国防技术的转让。该文件另一非常重要信息是德黑兰与北京之间交易中使用本国货币。加强投伊朗过境战略走廊、投资石化能源基础设施、参与伊朗东部莫克兰海岸的全面开发、帮助在伊朗建立和发展第五代互联网，并加强国家信息网络和援助伊朗和平核工业的发展是《中伊全面合作文件》中涉及到的其他问题。
提高金融和保险合作以及开设伊朗分行并建立伊中联合银行，尤其是在两国之间建立金融渠道替代环球银行金融电信协会，是伊中25年全面合作文件中最重要的问题之一

Translation: italic texts are comments

1. Trade between Tehran and Beijing will use national currencies. (dedollarization).
2. China will help Iran to build 5th generation internet. (to safeguard Iran's information security including financial activity)
3. Improves financial and insurance cooperation. (for example, Iranian oil tankers can be insured by Iranian/Chinese institutions than western institutions).
4. Establish Iranian Chinese joint bank and a Iranian branch (of Chinese bank?)
5. Establish financial transaction channel to replace SWIFT. (This is already done in the form of CIPS). This is the most important point in the agreement.

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http://www.smetimes.in/smetimes/news/global-business/2021/Mar/27/china-australia-wine62936.html Hahahaha, and what these convicts gonna do about it? Keep bitching? Sell the wine to the Wanwanese, while aussie convicts can buy Wanwanese shiitty pineapples in return...

www.sinodefenceforum.com

If this is true, then it's awesome.

It would be great if China gave a guarantee to import Iranian oil regardless of US sanctions.

 

[TheImmortal]

I think Iran will usually ask for the TOT of the weapons they purchased.

Just like China, Iran has a very self-reliant mentality.

With a large purchase like that, I’m sure they would insist on as much of a real ToT as possible. Including the radar, avionics, and engine.

China wouldn’t even turn over ToT for the outdated C-802. You think they are going to turn over ToT for their 5th gen fighter? Laughable.

Chinese - Iranian arms relations have been even worse than Russian-Iranian arms relations.

China doesn’t trust Iran and thinks Iran will end up back in Western sphere of influence. Iran doesn’t trust China because it feels that they are not reliable partners and would rather align themselves to whoever pays the most (Arabs).

China already has two “strategic partners” : North Korea and Pakistan.

And US can always use Taiwan to pressure China on Iran.

Ex. Sell Iran J-31 and we sell Taiwan F-35 and establish a base of operations (just an hypothetical example)