Iran built A fleet of 15000 suicide ships

[somebozo]

Iran will defend itself at any cost!

 

[CardSharp]

Not gonna work in today's world.....The key is how close you can get to them???

The war games were held in 2002.

Millennium Challenge 2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

commander of red team

Paul K. Van Riper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[deckingraj]

The war games were held in 2002.

Millennium Challenge 2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

commander of red team

Paul K. Van Riper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me highlight some important stuff here

Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles, overwhelming the Blue forces' electronic sensors, destroying sixteen warships. This includes one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five out of the six amphibious ships. The equivalent of this success in a real conflict would have resulted in the death of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats carrying out both conventional and suicide attacks, able to engage Blue forces due to Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]

In short you first have to take out the ability of enemy to detect you....Here we are talking about Americans....Anyways i think i have made my point...

 

[Jigs]

why 15000 suicide boats, why not built two to three, frigates or destroyers?

as usual useless rant by western media.
and a bait taken by west from the so called iran defector, now i am sure he'll get asylum.

Because that is the only way to inflict damage on the U.S. fleet. Building destroyers will not get you anywhere the U.S. fleet is far larger and more advanced. If you build these boats though you can rush one of these ships and try to get some hits in. Think about the japanese in WW2 when the ramped up their kamakazi campaign they did inflict some serious damage to the pacific fleet.

 

[CardSharp]

Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles, overwhelming the Blue forces' electronic sensors, destroying sixteen warships. This includes one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five out of the six amphibious ships. The equivalent of this success in a real conflict would have resulted in the death of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats carrying out both conventional and suicide attacks, able to engage Blue forces due to Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.

I actually think this will be a very effective counter. In a US military exercise simulating an attack in the Persian gulf 70% of a US fleet was sunk by suicide boat, plane and simple cruise missiles.

Iran has a pretty good range of missile tech, considering what they've been passing on to Hezbollah. So I see no reason why these small suicide crafts would not be a effective addition to the Iranian Navy.

 

[CardSharp]

Because that is the only way to inflict damage on the U.S. fleet. Building destroyers will not get you anywhere the U.S. fleet is far larger and more advanced. If you build these boats though you can rush one of these ships and try to get some hits in. Think about the japanese in WW2 when the ramped up their kamakazi campaign they did inflict some serious damage to the pacific fleet.

The Japanese Kamikazi campaign was causing serious damage while their battleships were basically sitting ducks.

Incidently post war analysis indicated the Kamikazi attacks could have been much more devastating if their tactics could have been refined. Unfortunately, there was no such thing as an experienced Kamikazi pilot to do the training or write post-operations reports....

 

[Vassnti]

Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles

Would love to know if anyone has the figures what a massive salvo consists of numbers wise. 10 cruisers and a carrier with one salvo?

Also was the "carrier" a Nimitz or a Tarawa, a full CVBG is going to take from my limited experience 200+ missiles on target at the same time to "overwhelm" the defences and cause that sort of damage, thats a heck of an ask to find, track and organise the attack using motorbikes and fishing boats while avoiding radio communication.

That said the mellennium challenge has had its many critics, i doubt the US would give a 24 hour ultimatum then have a CVBG cruise up and down near Qushm with out hitting every radar and missile site first.

 

[K^se]

15000??? LOL, and the Iranian Armed forces never ceases to amaze me with laughter 5th generation fighters, Superior Frigates/Corvettes with latest technology that can out due the West, UCAV drones that have better tech than us and the Israelis. Now this lol?? yeah they might have these martyr ships but more like 15, they added a couple of zeros..

 

[CardSharp]

Would love to know if anyone has the figures what a massive salvo consists of numbers wise. 10 cruisers and a carrier with one salvo?

Also was the "carrier" a Nimitz or a Tarawa, a full CVBG is going to take from my limited experience 200+ missiles on target at the same time to "overwhelm" the defences and cause that sort of damage, thats a heck of an ask to find, track and organise the attack using motorbikes and fishing boats while avoiding radio communication.

That said the mellennium challenge has had its many critics, i doubt the US would give a 24 hour ultimatum then have a CVBG cruise up and down near Qushm with out hitting every radar and missile site first.

From what I read, General Van Riper, deployed loads of small boats and planes right before the cruise missile attack and with orders to use commercial lanes/move completely randomly.

This strained the tracking ability of the fleet, and made it vulnerable to "failure from complexity" and the cruise missiles can then be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

the success of operation purely depend upon the ability of boat commander to get the boat in close proximity of bigger vessel un detected. if it gets detected than it is pure butchery. it wont stand a chance against high speed 20 or 30 mm cannons carried by these boats. these cannons fire 9000 rounds per minute. the suicide boats wont stand a chance then.

but i personally beleive given the right numbers, these suicide boats can take out any ship in the world.

one point here. since these boats are small their range is very limited. they can be used for petrolling close to ports only. they cant move far away from ports.
a single single battle group consisting of aircraft carrier and few destroyers sitting 500 miles away can create havoc at the operating port seriously limiting ability of enemy ships/ suicide boats to navigate/manoeuvre.

 

[Jigs]

The Japanese Kamikazi campaign was causing serious damage while their battleships were basically sitting ducks.

Incidently post war analysis indicated the Kamikazi attacks could have been much more devastating if their tactics could have been refined. Unfortunately, there was no such thing as an experienced Kamikazi pilot to do the training or write post-operations reports....

I remember reading the only two tactics these rookie pilots(since all the vets were lost eariler in the war) was flying low to avoid the radar guided guns then to climb to 5,000 feet and do a steep dive or fly at a really high altitude 20,000 feet and slighlty dive to a lower altitude then do another steeper dive to the target. Also they were broken up into different groups so to come in at different angles.


As far as Iran i think these are the 15,000 suicide ships they are refering to

Israel captured a number of them.

 

[CardSharp]

As far as Iran i think these are the 15,000 suicide ships they are refering to

Israel captured a number of them.

In the Iraq-Iran war, Iraq had the weapons and Iran had the fanatical manpower. I am not surprised by the number 15,000. The thing to do when you have manpower and a tech disadvantage is to employ massive amounts of disposable weapons.

This is also what the Soviets did against Germany. Just look at this submachine gun.

Stamped not machined, made in huge numbers.

The same philosophy goes for the T-34 vs Tigers. The Soviets picked a reliable design and massive produced, the Germans went hi-tech and kept producing sophisticated designed that were harder and more expensive to produce.

 

[Jigs]

In the Iraq-Iran war, Iraq had the weapons and Iran had the fanatical manpower. I am not surprised by the number 15,000. The thing to do when you have manpower and a tech disadvantage is to employ massive amounts of disposable weapons.

This is also what the Soviets did against Germany. Just look at this submachine gun.

Stamped not machined, made in huge numbers.

The same philosophy goes for the T-34 vs Tigers. The Soviets picked a reliable design and massive produced, the Germans went hi-tech and kept producing sophisticated designed that were harder and more expensive to produce.

Yep the tank comparision draws very well to what Iran is doing. The tech gap is even wider in this case though. It would be interesting to see what these could do to a carrier battle group. Granted they have the range to reach one in considerable numbers.

 

[CardSharp]

Yep the tank comparision draws very well to what Iran is doing. The tech gap is even wider in this case though. It would be interesting to see what these could do to a carrier battle group. Granted they have the range to reach one in considerable numbers.

Considerable numbers being the emphasis here. I guess that's why they ordered 15,000 .

 

[siegecrossbow]

Isn't "suicide boat" a more appropriate name?

Why would anyone use a naval warship for mass suicide attacks?