Iran backed Zainebiyoun brigade composed of Pakistani Shia guarding the Baghdad Damascus highway

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

This kind of mentality the Iranian regime has taught them. They will attack and destabilize Muslim nations and pretend they had nothing to do with it. And they request Arabs/Turks to have dialogue with them. They don't understand dialogue and only force. Turkish drones stopped them committing a massacre in Idlib and continuing to abide by Sochi agreement until Syria goes into political transformation process and refugees can return to their lands.

This is why I feel like an inevitable limited offensive war by Pakistan and Afghanistan may be necessary to remove the Iranian threat from the border.

Chahbahar has become a base of Indian terrorist operations against Pakistan. We cannot focus completely on India, while Iran gives them a base on our Western flank.

I feel like this reality will dawn on us in the future, but for now, Pakistani deepstate is still trying futile overtures with Iranians.

Iranians are helping India by coordinating pressure with them. This situation cannot last for too long. Whole of Pakistan will turn against them if it continues.

 

[BHarwana]

Get US and Russia to agree to a political solution

USA don't has authority in Syria other than over Kurdish & ISIS

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They only got themselves to blame.

Iran flooded the region because Iraq went down, Sadam was a reckless man with illusions of granduer, he did take kuwait, instead of wising up and understanding that bringing Iraq down would bring down the 'wall' blocking turkey and Iran, the apes of the gulf rallied and pushed for war and sanctions against the country, ultimately ending in its occupation and the destruction of it and Syria.

As for us Arabs in Iraq, not everyone is angry against Iran, though we would prefer to be independant again, this is unlikely in the foresaeable future.

So Iran is guiltless, ok.

 

[BHarwana]

Still the question remains what is the solution to Syria

 

[Hack-Hook]

Syrians, 90%, are against Assad. I know very well the leaders of most Syrian organizations in the US. Yes, many are Muslim Brotherhood, but not all. I know many Kurds who are also against Assad.

The Syrian Christians socialist leaning you are referring to are SSNP, a fascist Nazi-esque group allied to Assad.

the polls showed something else. can you tell me why your data are different
2012 55% want him to stay
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda
2013 70% syrian support him 20% are neutral
https://www.worldtribune.com/2013-0...winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/

 

[Saddam Hussein]

They only got themselves to blame.

Iran flooded the region because Iraq went down, Sadam was a reckless man with illusions of granduer, he did take kuwait, instead of wising up and understanding that bringing Iraq down would bring down the 'wall' blocking turkey and Iran, the apes of the gulf rallied and pushed for war and sanctions against the country, ultimately ending in its occupation and the destruction of it and Syria.

As for us Arabs in Iraq, not everone is angry against Iran, though we would prefer to be independant again, this is unlikely in the foresaeable future.

This is very true. It's our fellow Arab states that took all actions that led to Iraq's destruction after 1990 and ignored it post 2003. Now we can never dismantle PMU group, nither afford a war against them with our militarily, as much as I want to see Iraq strong and independent as prior.. It's not going to happen.

I believed in pan-Arabism for many years and often I still do, as Iraq came to the aid of other Arab states I was hoping to see Arab interventions in Libya, Syria and Iraq to aid it. Instead, our military was being called the militia's of Al-Maliki ( in 2014, prior to PMU formation ) whilst ISIS was massacring us. Turkey and Iran have free reign now over these destroyed Arab states and the rest of the Arab world sits idle watching by. Iran obviously took the upper hand in Iraq as Turkey has little influence there.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You don't need Egypt or Saudi or Turkey, you control two borders with Israel(Lebanese and Syrian). You are more than welcome to attack them, Muslim world has been hearing your rhetoric for 40 years, you didn't attack than then and you won't attack them now. But you will attack neighboring Muslim nations.

Iran doesn't attack Kuffar states, it only attacks Muslims. Kuffar regimes like India, Armenia, and Serbia are its allies.

All this rhetoric against Israel, what action do they show?

the polls showed something else. can you tell me why your data are different
2012 55% want him to stay
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda
2013 70% syrian support him 20% are neutral
https://www.worldtribune.com/2013-0...winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/

That brings alot of questions to the veracity of said polls.

 

[Falcon29]

This is why I feel like an inevitable limited offensive war by Pakistan and Afghanistan may be necessary to remove the Iranian threat from the border.

Chahbahar has become a base of Indian terrorist operations against Pakistan. We cannot focus completely on India, while Iran gives them a base on our Western flank.

I feel like this reality will dawn on us in the future, but for now, Pakistani deepstate is still trying futile overtures with Iranians.

Iranians are helping India by coordinating pressure with them. This situation cannot last for too long. Whole of Pakistan will turn against them if it continues.

That is how Iran operates, it takes advantage of situation in Muslim world when Muslim nations are facing major threats. Like when Arabs were facing Israeli threat, they decided to make tons of threats and attacks inside Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other nations during early 1980's. Then they tried to instigate pro-Iran revolution in Iraq which led to Iran-Iraq war. In other cases they will invite Russian/US coalition to secure their interests in Syria/Iraq but will attack Saudi's for having defense ties with US. Even though their cronies in Iraq have very high level ties with the Americans.

With Pakistan, they know you guys face major threat in India and will again hide behind non-Muslims and complement non-Muslim efforts against Muslim nations. They will never do this if Arabs-Asians-Turks develop strong defense ties and achieve stability because they simply can't without non-Muslim superpowers assisting them and them taking advantage of already weakened state of Muslim nations.

 

[BHarwana]

That is how Iran operates, it takes advantage of situation in Muslim world when Muslim nations are facing major threats. Like when Arabs were facing Israeli threat, they decided to make tons of threats and attacks inside Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other nations during early 1980's. Then they tried to instigate pro-Iran revolution in Iraq which led to Iran-Iraq war. In other cases they will invite Russian/US coalition to secure their interests in Syria/Iraq but will attack Saudi's for having defense ties with US. Even though their cronies in Iraq have very high level ties with the Americans.

With Pakistan, they know you guys face major threat in India and will again hide behind non-Muslims and complement non-Muslim efforts against Muslim nations. They will never do this if Arabs-Asians-Turks develop strong defense ties and achieve stability because they simply can't without non-Muslim superpowers assisting them and them taking advantage of already weakened state of Muslim nations.

Okay here is a question who stopped ISIS in Syria?

Who defended Turkmen in Syria?

 

[Slav Defence]

There is no problem that cannot be fixed by the help of dialogues. I do neither need to remind that Turks, Arabs and Persian muslims have rich history of regional dominance in past decade. One way or another, muslims have dealt with worse circumstances in history. All of us are not new players. We know our past and consequence of whatever actions we take. We need to narrow our differences and should seek solution through dialogue and must help each other through intelligence sharing rather than fighting against each other or accusing each other for proxy wars.
Also, Allah subhanawtala knows that who is rightly guided. We should set our differences aside. You will see whenever I will talk about making a strong cooperative block, some paid ones will come to disrupt the effect and tell us that times have changed. We know and Allah has given us Quran and teachings of Prophet Muhammad to bend Qadr in our favor. Wake up! Our nafs know who is the true enemy.
May Allah (SWT) give freedom to Palestine and Kashmir and help our brothers to rise despite of all challenges and circumstances.

Avoid sect based accusations.

regards

 

[BHarwana]

There is no problem that cannot be fixed by the help of dialogues. I do neither need to remind that Turks, Arabs and Persian muslims have rich history of regional dominance in past decade. One way or another, muslim had dealth with worse circumstances in history. All of us are not new players. We know our past and consequence of whatever actions we take. We need to narrow our differences and should seek solution through dialogue and must help each other through intelligence sharing rather than fighting against each other or accusing each other for proxy wars.
May Allah (SWT) give freedom to Palestine and Kashmir and help our brothers to rise despite of all challenges and circumstances.

Avoid sect based accusations.

regards

The Issue is ISIS was a proxy which was sent to the country & every one jumped in to protect their stakes in the country and we are at a point where extensive dialogue is needed. Syria has seem enough war a better solution would be some how make sure the country goes into the hands of a govt which is made by Syrian people.

 

[Falcon29]

@BHarwana

Not sure what you are trying to convince us of but we have seen enough from Iran and had enough of its grudge against us. We don't want anything to do with them, forever, and we will topple their terrorist and sectarian regime. After that Iranians can do as they wish in their own country but they won't be allowed to do anything in Arab world. If you like them so much you can continue liking them but we will not accept terrorist, Persian aggression against Islam or our people.

 

[Slav Defence]

The Issue is ISIS was a proxy which was sent to the country & every one jumped in to protect their stakes in the country and we are at a point where extensive dialogue is needed. Syria has seem enough war a better solution would be some how make sure the country goes into the hands of a govt which is made by Syrian people.

This proxy game is not new. Neutralizing them is better than enriching affinity towards any school of thought as extremism is purely poisonous. We should act justly and make sure that Syria neither becomes a hub to harm any other country but restored to it's previous state.

regards

 

[Hack-Hook]

No, they agreed to Sochi agreement and when you guys saw time was convenient you twisted conditions of agreement and tried to do offensive to get Idlib back under regime control. And you can only threaten Turkey with cover of Russia, otherwise don't act tough.

Do I most copy suchi agreement clause every week

1. The two sides reiterate their commitment to the preservation of the political unity and territorial integrity of Syria and the protection of national security of Turkey.

2. They emphasise their determination to combat terrorism in all forms and manifestations and to disrupt separatist agendas in the Syrian territory.

3. In this framework, the established status quo in the current Operation Peace Spring area covering Tel Abyad and [Ras al-Ain] with a depth of 32km (20 miles) will be preserved.

4. Both sides reaffirm the importance of the Adana Agreement. The Russian Federation will facilitate the implementation of the Adana Agreement in the current circumstances.

5. Starting 12.00 noon of October 23, 2019, Russian military police and Syrian border guards will enter the Syrian side of the Turkish-Syrian border, outside the area of Operation Peace Spring, to facilitate the removal of YPG elements and their weapons to the depth of 30km (19 miles) from the Turkish-Syrian border, which should be finalized in 150 hours. At that moment, joint Russian-Turkish patrols will start in the west and the east of the area of Operation Peace Spring with a depth of 10km (six miles), except Qamishli city.

6. All YPG elements and their weapons will be removed from Manbij and Tal Rifat.

7. Both sides will take necessary measures to prevent infiltrations of terrorist elements.

8. Joint efforts will be launched to facilitate the return of refugees in a safe and voluntary manner.

9. A joint monitoring and verification mechanism will be established to oversee and coordinate the implementation of this memorandum.

10. The two sides will continue to work to find a lasting political solution to the Syrian conflict within Astana Mechanism and will support the activity of the Constitutional Committee."

does it look like its about Idlib
this agreement was about Idlib
https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vi.../Russia-and-Turkey-letter-of-18-September.pdf

The Republic of Turkey and the Russian Federation, as guarantors of the
observance of the ceasefire regime in the Syrian Arab Republic,
-guided by memorandum on creation of de-escalation areas in the Syrian Arab
Republic as of May 4, 2017 and arrangements achieved in the Astana Process
-in order to stabilize the situation in the Idlib de-escalation area as soon as
possible,
Have agreed on the following:
1. The Idlip de-escalation area will be preserved and Turkish observation posts
will be fortified and continue to function.
2. The Russian Federation will take all necessary measures to ensure that military
operations and attacks on Idlib will be avoided and the existing status quo will
be maintained.
3. A demilitarized zone, 15-20 kms deep in the de-escalation area will be
established.
4. The delineation of exact lines of the demilitarised zone will be determined
through further consultations.
5. All radical terrorist groups will be removed from the demilitarised zone by
October 15.
6. All tanks, MLRS, artillery and mortars belonging to conflicting parties will be
withdrawn from the demilitarised zone by October 10, 2018.
7. Turkish Armed Forces and the military police of the Armed Forces of the
Russian Federation will conduct coordinated patrols and monitoring with UAVs
along the boundaries of the demilitarised zone.
With a view to ensuring free movement of local residents and goods and
restoring trade and economic relations:
8. Transit traffic on the routes M4 (Aleppo-Latakia) and M5 (Aleppo-Hama) will be
restored by the end of 2018.
9. Effective measures will be taken for ensuring sustainable ceasefire regime
within the Idlib de-escalation area. In this regard, the functions of the Joint
Iranian-Russian-Turkish Coordination Center will be enhanced.
10. The two sides reiterated their determination to combat terrorism in Syria in all
forms and manifestations.
Done in Sochi on September, 17, 2018 in two copies, both in English and
Russian having equal legal force.

do I need to paint parts that didn't materialized

 

[Naram_Sin]

This is very true. It's our fellow Arab states that took all actions that led to Iraq's destruction after 1990 and ignored it post 2003. Now we can never dismantle PMU group, nither afford a war against them with our militarily, as much as I want to see Iraq strong and independent as prior.. It's not going to happen.

I believed in pan-Arabism for many years and often I still do, as Iraq came to the aid of other Arab states I was hoping to see Arab interventions in Libya, Syria and Iraq to aid it. Instead, our military was being called the militia's of Al-Maliki ( in 2014, prior to PMU formation ) whilst ISIS was massacring us. Turkey and Iran have free reign now over these destroyed Arab states and the rest of the Arab world sits idle watching by. Iran obviously took the upper hand in Iraq as Turkey has little influence there.

The damage is done, I would still put most of the blame on Sadam, he had a strategicaly positioned country, a wealth of resources, a rich history to unite the country around and he wasted it all.

Pan-Arabism is a joke, the 2 baath party regimes couldnt bring Syria and Iraq together, consider the possibilities if that was to happen, now look at we have in reality.

The PMU is not going, but do you really want it to go at this stage ? Who is going to counter balance the besh-merka, the US presence and Isis ?

We have no intrinsic power, we can only depend on regional actors, it is the sad truth.