Iran and Pakistan: Terrorism States or Victims of Terrorism?

[hecj]

when we talk about India an unstable country of 20 insurgencies armed with nukes comes to mind. That hypothetically is more dangerous than Iran + Pakistan combined.

Please stop trolling!

 

[Hussein]

It depend on how you define terrorism:
1. anybody against US, Which is the common definition these days.
2. Any partisan who use explosives and non symmetric strategies against a superior army. then you should consider the movements like Free French Forces in world war II as terrorist group.
3. anyone who uses force and arm or inappropriate force in an illegitimate ground for terrorizing others and gain extra benefits or illegal advantages. You could decide who are they!

Salam

1- you cannot say this
kurds terrorist groups mek/ncri rajavi ...there are terrorist groups for the americans and it is good that they consider such groups as terrorists
when in Europe these groups are protected
2- this is a good point
here they spoke about it. is it terrorism or liberation movment?
big big question
especially when you know that hezbollah (lebanon) is considered terrorist when they fight for protecting their country
attacked many times by israeli forces (even i am not fan of hezbollah that is something wrong with definition like you say)
3- mostly they consider terrorist because they attack civilians

Iran is providing help for many groups. some of them could be considered as terrorists.
USA is providing help to some groups much more smartly , groups who can be considered as terrorists. for exemple: when USA was helping the south america countries dictators to kill their own citizens: it was a terrorist act
But most americans they know and condemn it... hopefully

somebozo>
my friend, about what said or not Jundollah leaders i would not trust what they say because in Iran people are tortured in jails. you can make say everything from anybody.
And i am sad this happened so fast that we didn't discover the truth about it...

Because our citizens should know who is supporting so many groups who attack our country.

 

[ganja]

when we talk about India an unstable country of sevral insurgencies armed with nukes comes to mind. A very real threat of nuclear war with this neighbouring rival, expansionist ambitions and illegal occupation as well annexation of sovergien terrioteries.
That hypothetically is more dangerous than Iran + Pakistan combined.

Brief List of Indian Insurgencies.

Northeastern India
National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
Naga National Council-Federal (NNCF)
National Council of Nagaland-Khaplang
United Liberation Front of Asom
People's Liberation Army
(Manipur)
Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
Zomi Revolutionary Front

North India
Babbar Khalsa
Bhindranwala Tigers Force of Khalistan
Communist Party of India (Maoist)
Dashmesh Regiment
International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF)
Kamagata Maru Dal of Khalistan
Khalistan Armed Force
Khalistan Liberation Force
Khalistan Commando Force
Khalistan Liberation Army
Khalistan Liberation Front
Khalistan Liberation Organisation
Khalistan National Army
Khalistan Guerilla Force
Khalistan Security Force
Khalistan Zindabad Force
Shaheed Khalsa Force

Central India
People's war group
Balbir militias
Naxals
Ranvir Sena

And I have not included Kashmir in that list!
Please stop trolling!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW never heard of those terror groups..
but i am 100% sure that they stand no chance in front of the great
AL-QUEIDA
Jammat-UD-DAWA
MUJJAIDIIEN cause they are international terrorists...and u mentioned those groups in india have dimantled and fucked hard...
here are some other "international" terrorists
1.

Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)
2.

Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP)
3.

Tehreek-e-Jaferia Pakistan (TJP)
4.

Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi
5.

Lashkar-eJhangvi (LeJ)
6.

Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP)
7.

Jamaat-ul-Fuqra
8.

Nadeem Commando
9.

Popular Front for Armed Resistance
10.

Muslim United Army
11.

Harkat-ul-Mujahideen Al-alami(HuMA)



Trans-national Organisations

1.

Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)
2.

Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known as Harkat-ul Mujahideen)
3.

Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)
4.

Jaish-e-Mohammad Mujahideen E-Tanzeem (JeM)
5.

Harkat-ul Mujahideen (HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar)
6.

Al Badr
7.

Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM)
8.

Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)
9.

Harkat-ul-Jehad-al-Islami(HUJI)
10.

Muttahida Jehad Council (MJC)
11.

Al Barq
12.

Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen
13.

Al Jehad
14.

Jammu & Kashir National Liberation Army
15.

People’s League
16.

Muslim Janbaz Force
17.

Kashmir Jehad Force
18.

Al Jehad Force (combines Muslim Janbaz Force and Kashmir Jehad Force)
19.

Al Umar Mujahideen
20.

Mahaz-e-Azadi
21.

Islami Jamaat-e-Tulba
22.

Jammu & Kashmir Students Liberation Front
23.

Ikhwan-ul-Mujahideen
24.

Islamic Students League
25.

Tehrik-e-Hurriat-e-Kashmir
26.

Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqar Jafaria
27.

Al Mustafa Liberation Fighters
28.

Tehrik-e-Jehad-e-Islami
29.

Muslim Mujahideen
30.

Al Mujahid Force
31.

Tehrik-e-Jehad
32.

Islami Inquilabi Mahaz

 

[Irani]

Salam

1- you cannot say this
kurds terrorist groups mek/ncri rajavi ...there are terrorist groups for the americans and it is good that they consider such groups as terrorists
when in Europe these groups are protected
2- this is a good point
here they spoke about it. is it terrorism or liberation movment?
big big question
especially when you know that hezbollah (lebanon) is considered terrorist when they fight for protecting their country
attacked many times by israeli forces (even i am not fan of hezbollah that is something wrong with definition like you say)
3- mostly they consider terrorist because they attack civilians

Iran is providing help for many groups. some of them could be considered as terrorists.
USA is providing help to some groups much more smartly , groups who can be considered as terrorists. for exemple: when USA was helping the south america countries dictators to kill their own citizens: it was a terrorist act
But most americans they know and condemn it... hopefully

aleikom al salam buddy,
1.The first definition was a sarcasm, united state uses terrorism as a label against his enemy. But you got the point, not all the terrorist groups are in odd with them. I agree with you. (about Rajavi however, I heard they got issues with united state as well as Iran because of their communist nature but US using them as tools against Iran.)
2. I have read about it. In fact, defining terrorism is a dilemma in international law.
These words usually are used as labels. It depend from which side you are looking at it. If Germans had won the war they would call that groups terrorists. Like casualties, when they are in your sides, they are martyr, When they belong to other side, I don't know.
3. There exist some definitions in international law's texts but as you indicated they don't solve the ambiguity. legitimate/illegitimate, fair/unfair, civilian/soldier,... relativity is the key point for finding a meaning for these terms.

 

[pak-marine]

Pakistan & Irans problems are mixing religion with state funtions , this was , is and never will be a healthy thing ?

 

[T-Rex]

Both Iran and Pakistan are the victims of the US foreign policy which is a form of state terrorism. The US is determined to use every available means, including terrorism, to ensure the continuity of its hegemony in the Muslim world. CIA is always there for sponsoring terrorism.