Iran and Pakistan- Prospects of future relations after the nuke deal

[kaku1]

its a given that Indians will weigh where they can get the best offer and will ditch Iran,there is nothing special or bonding for Indians at best they might not vote in any move against Iran and would sit back if KSA and Israelis bomb Iran out of frustration one day.

And Pakistan like jump the gun against KSA?

 

[The Great One]

its a given that Indians will weigh where they can get the best offer and will ditch Iran,there is nothing special or bonding for Indians at best they might not vote in any move against Iran and would sit back if KSA and Israelis bomb Iran out of frustration one day.

We aren't Iranian allies to fight KSA or Israel. There is no treaty nor expectation from them for us to do so. You OTOH, back stabbed your best ally and patron (KSA) in their time of need. Not to forget the double game you have been playing with the Americans in Afghanistan. A bit rich to see those words coming from your mouth.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

And Pakistan like jump the gun against KSA?

erm .. if you are not checking news lately we are in their cross-hairs. one of their tout country even threatened us for staying out of Yemen conflict.
we refused to back the racist Arab countries during Iran- Iraq war too.
no we wont launch an attack on KSA on behalf of another country. we are sure Iran wont need us to do what its people can do.

We aren't Iranian allies to fight KSA or Israel. There is no treaty nor expectation from them for us to do so. You OTOH, back stabbed your best ally and patron (KSA) in their time of need. Not to forget the double game you have been playing with the Americans in Afghanistan. A bit rich to see those words coming from your mouth.

what you missed is that India voted against Iran
now that is something we will never do

 

[kaku1]

erm .. if you are not checking news lately we are in their cross-hairs. one of their tout country even threatened us for staying out of Yemen conflict.
we refused to back the racist Arab countries during Iran- Iraq war too.
no we wont launch an attack on KSA on behalf of another country. we are sure Iran wont need us to do what its people can do.

So, why you blaming India, that they wont help Iranians? Double standards?

 

[The Great One]

what you missed is that India voted against Iran
now that is something we will never do

What you missed is that India got the NSG waiver
Now that is something you will never get

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So, why you blaming India, that they wont help Iranians? Double standards?

no kaka I am saying you wont hesitate from voting against them like you did before

 

[kaku1]

no kaka I am saying you wont hesitate from voting against them like you did before

Okey, first we hesitate, and say like "umm, but, NO".

Thats okey for you? You have to grasp what the "Realpolitik" actually means.

no kaka I am saying you wont hesitate from voting against them like you did before

And may I ask you, in which resolution Iranians ever supported India?

FYI, during nuclear talks, India was the first target by Iranians. And dont forget how the Iranian proxy attacked a Israeli diplomat in 2013 in New Delhi.

So, why one sided favor?

 

[SrNair]

its a given that Indians will weigh where they can get the best offer and will ditch Iran,there is nothing special or bonding for Indians at best they might not vote in any move against Iran and would sit back if KSA and Israelis bomb Iran out of frustration one day.

After all diplomacy is an art to ensure maximum benefit through foreign relation.
We only cares about our national interest.
And we wont support anytype of invasion or attacks against Iran.
If we cant stop such a disaster we will use our diplomacy with others to stop that.

 

[Zabaniyah]

An excellent piece written by @Serpentine

Iranian businesses and citizens can now put money in their country's banks after the sanctions are completely gone. Iranian financial institutions would then be able to conduct trade-related, inward-outward remittance transactions at international level.

And once that is going, FDI and propriety investment can occur. How well that does would largely depend on Iran's credit rating. Having a favorable credit rating would depend on a host of factors like infrastructure, energy, access to government services, revenue generation capacity, sociopolitical stability, institutional strength, etc. Since security is a major challenge in the region, and a potentially major impediment to the path of prosperity, the security matter must be settled. I believe that multiple countries are to cooperate in this regard in order for it to succeed.

These will take time, and all in the long term. But they will ultimately happen and hence benefit Pakistan altogether given that there is commitment from their top levels. Not to mention the entire Central Asian region. Iran's cultural links with the region cannot be ignored in this regard. Most would agree that Central Asia is a largely ignored region. But, it has tremendous potential.

This move by the US was long, long overdue. Only if it weren't for some bigots in their own ranks I believe. Germany, Russia and China also deserve the appreciation in this work. Outstanding diplomacy from all. That experience would be very useful later.

The Arabs and the Israelis would be wise to comply. Sauds and Zionists together against Iran? Who would've thought in the 70's.

 

[anant_s]

IP pipeline is not the whole potential, but it can be a foundation, on which we can start building more and more. The most important requirement, is the political resolve by Indian and Pakistani officials, they should decide whether they want to chase each other and harm each other for eternity, or at least, in a very rare but positive move, they can both be winners.

As far as India is concerned, that line has a huge potential to meet gas requirements for the fertilizer plants and power sector too.
Eventually India is planning to get gas from Central Asia too and if the pipeline project can be extended to India, it will benefit the participating nations a great deal.
This indeed is a rare opportunity and i sincerely hope the countries keep aside their historical differences apart and use this historical moment for a massive economic development of the region.

 

[VelocuR]

@Serpentine , it look like your analysis absolutely wrong, what the heck Rouhani offering to India in wrong move?

Iran says offers India bigger role in strategic port | Reuters

Iran says offers India bigger role in strategic port

Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:05pm BST

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has asked India to invest in infrastructure projects worth $8 billion, including an expanded role in developing a strategic port that will open up access to Central Asia, Iran's envoy to New Delhi said on Friday.

The port of Chabahar in southeast Iran is central to India's efforts to circumvent arch-rival Pakistan and open up a route to landlocked Afghanistan where it has developed close security ties and economic interests.

Rouhani suggested the larger role for India during a meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the sidelines of a summit in Russia days before the historic nuclear deal between Iran and world powers, Iran's ambassador to India told Reuters.

"The potential between Iran and India is great but we were just facing such a wall of sanctions, wall of American pressure," ambassador Gholamreza Ansari said.

Ansari said that with sanctions likely to be lifted soon, it was a "golden time" for India to seize investment opportunities because of the two countries' close trade ties and shared interest in improving Central Asian transport links.

"Connectivity is the main policy of Modi that coincides with Iran's government policy," Ansari said. "We have offered them, in connectivy, $8 billion of projects."

Modi's meeting with Rouhani was part of a tour of Central Asia focused on increasing India's role in the region.

It was not immediately clear how Modi responded to Rouhani's offer.

India's foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

Iran and six world powers reached a nuclear deal on Tuesday, clearing the way for an easing of sanctions on Tehran.

India and Iran agreed in 2003 to develop Chabahar on the Gulf of Oman, near Iran's border with Pakistan, but the venture has moved slowly because of the sanctions over Iran's atomic programme.

The two countries maintained a close relationship despite the U.S.-led trade restrictions that halved their oil trade to 220,000 barrels per day last year.

In May, India's Shipping Minister Nitin Gadkari and his Iranian counterpart, Abbas Ahmad Akhoundi, signed an $85 million deal for India to lease two existing berths at the port and use them as multi-purpose cargo terminals.

Under the new proposal India could help build second and third terminals at the port, as well as railway connections into the rest of Iran, Ansari said.

India has moved slowly on opportunities in Iran in the past, including the giant Farzad B gas field. Ansari said India was the "first priority" to develop Farzad B, but urged New Delhi to move fast: "If they drag their feet, the market will not wait."



(Reporting by Frank Jack Daniel and Nidhi Verma; Editing by Douglas Busvine, Robert Birsel)

 

[The Great One]

@Serpentine , it look like your analysis absolutely wrong, what the heck Rouhani offering to India in wrong move?

Iran says offers India bigger role in strategic port | Reuters

Iran says offers India bigger role in strategic port

Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:05pm BST

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has asked India to invest in infrastructure projects worth $8 billion, including an expanded role in developing a strategic port that will open up access to Central Asia, Iran's envoy to New Delhi said on Friday.

The port of Chabahar in southeast Iran is central to India's efforts to circumvent arch-rival Pakistan and open up a route to landlocked Afghanistan where it has developed close security ties and economic interests.

Rouhani suggested the larger role for India during a meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the sidelines of a summit in Russia days before the historic nuclear deal between Iran and world powers, Iran's ambassador to India told Reuters.

"The potential between Iran and India is great but we were just facing such a wall of sanctions, wall of American pressure," ambassador Gholamreza Ansari said.

Ansari said that with sanctions likely to be lifted soon, it was a "golden time" for India to seize investment opportunities because of the two countries' close trade ties and shared interest in improving Central Asian transport links.

"Connectivity is the main policy of Modi that coincides with Iran's government policy," Ansari said. "We have offered them, in connectivy, $8 billion of projects."

Modi's meeting with Rouhani was part of a tour of Central Asia focused on increasing India's role in the region.

It was not immediately clear how Modi responded to Rouhani's offer.

India's foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

Iran and six world powers reached a nuclear deal on Tuesday, clearing the way for an easing of sanctions on Tehran.

India and Iran agreed in 2003 to develop Chabahar on the Gulf of Oman, near Iran's border with Pakistan, but the venture has moved slowly because of the sanctions over Iran's atomic programme.

The two countries maintained a close relationship despite the U.S.-led trade restrictions that halved their oil trade to 220,000 barrels per day last year.

In May, India's Shipping Minister Nitin Gadkari and his Iranian counterpart, Abbas Ahmad Akhoundi, signed an $85 million deal for India to lease two existing berths at the port and use them as multi-purpose cargo terminals.

Under the new proposal India could help build second and third terminals at the port, as well as railway connections into the rest of Iran, Ansari said.

India has moved slowly on opportunities in Iran in the past, including the giant Farzad B gas field. Ansari said India was the "first priority" to develop Farzad B, but urged New Delhi to move fast: "If they drag their feet, the market will not wait."



(Reporting by Frank Jack Daniel and Nidhi Verma; Editing by Douglas Busvine, Robert Birsel)

Why is it such a big deal for you that Iran co-operates with India. Have you seen the kind and scope of co-operation we have with Israel. Or for instance the scope of co-operation between Pakistan and Saudi/GCC? Do you see Iranians bitching about either? I think not. Be mature.

 

[Serpentine]

@Serpentine , it look like your analysis absolutely wrong, what the heck Rouhani offering to India in wrong move?

Iran says offers India bigger role in strategic port | Reuters

Iran says offers India bigger role in strategic port

Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:05pm BST

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has asked India to invest in infrastructure projects worth $8 billion, including an expanded role in developing a strategic port that will open up access to Central Asia, Iran's envoy to New Delhi said on Friday.

The port of Chabahar in southeast Iran is central to India's efforts to circumvent arch-rival Pakistan and open up a route to landlocked Afghanistan where it has developed close security ties and economic interests.

Rouhani suggested the larger role for India during a meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the sidelines of a summit in Russia days before the historic nuclear deal between Iran and world powers, Iran's ambassador to India told Reuters.

"The potential between Iran and India is great but we were just facing such a wall of sanctions, wall of American pressure," ambassador Gholamreza Ansari said.

Ansari said that with sanctions likely to be lifted soon, it was a "golden time" for India to seize investment opportunities because of the two countries' close trade ties and shared interest in improving Central Asian transport links.

"Connectivity is the main policy of Modi that coincides with Iran's government policy," Ansari said. "We have offered them, in connectivy, $8 billion of projects."

Modi's meeting with Rouhani was part of a tour of Central Asia focused on increasing India's role in the region.

It was not immediately clear how Modi responded to Rouhani's offer.

India's foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

Iran and six world powers reached a nuclear deal on Tuesday, clearing the way for an easing of sanctions on Tehran.

India and Iran agreed in 2003 to develop Chabahar on the Gulf of Oman, near Iran's border with Pakistan, but the venture has moved slowly because of the sanctions over Iran's atomic programme.

The two countries maintained a close relationship despite the U.S.-led trade restrictions that halved their oil trade to 220,000 barrels per day last year.

In May, India's Shipping Minister Nitin Gadkari and his Iranian counterpart, Abbas Ahmad Akhoundi, signed an $85 million deal for India to lease two existing berths at the port and use them as multi-purpose cargo terminals.

Under the new proposal India could help build second and third terminals at the port, as well as railway connections into the rest of Iran, Ansari said.

India has moved slowly on opportunities in Iran in the past, including the giant Farzad B gas field. Ansari said India was the "first priority" to develop Farzad B, but urged New Delhi to move fast: "If they drag their feet, the market will not wait."



(Reporting by Frank Jack Daniel and Nidhi Verma; Editing by Douglas Busvine, Robert Birsel)

I have explained this tens of times, even in my very first post in this thread.

Let me put it in few sentences:

No other country was willing to invest in Chabahar at the time of sanctions, so we signed a deal with India. Now I don't understand your concerns about this. I explained very well that development of Southeastern Iran will directly affect Pakistan's bordering areas (in a positive way of course).

Now, if your concern is that India is going to use this port against Pakistan (which it won't), I'll assure we will not accept their presence even for a second. They are not stupid, they are after their economic interests (just like Pakistan, by giving Gwadar to China), and they will not risk their relations with Iran for something that will harm ALL 3 states: Iran, India and Pakistan.

Here's another scenario: Let's assume we were enemies with China, would you guys accept Iran's demands for Pakistan to stop letting Chinese in Gwadar only because Iran didn't like it? No you wouldn't, and you shouldn't have, because as long as there is no security threat, any kind of concern about these issues is unjustified.

 

[black-hawk_101]

Iran should not come with just Gas but with Oil Pipelines too. To supply the South Pakistan and India through Pakistan.

 

[VelocuR]

Why is it such a big deal for you that Iran co-operates with India. Have you seen the kind and scope of co-operation we have with Israel. Or for instance the scope of co-operation between Pakistan and Saudi/GCC? Do you see Iranians bitching about either? I think not. Be mature.

Did I invite you here, dumb kid? Are you Iranian?

Please get lost.

I have explained this tens of times, even in my very first post in this thread.

Let me put it in few sentences:

No other country was willing to invest in Chabahar at the time of sanctions, so we signed a deal with India. Now I don't understand your concerns about this. I explained very well that development of Southeastern Iran will directly affect Pakistan's bordering areas (in a positive way of course).

Now, if your concern is that India is going to use this port against Pakistan (which it won't), I'll assure we will not accept their presence even for a second. They are not stupid, they are after their economic interests (just like Pakistan, by giving Gwadar to China), and they will not risk their relations with Iran for something that will harm ALL 3 states: Iran, India and Pakistan.

Here's another scenario: Let's assume we were enemies with China, would you guys accept Iran's demands for Pakistan to stop letting Chinese in Gwadar only because Iran didn't like it? No you wouldn't, and you shouldn't have, because as long as there is no security threat, any kind of concern about these issues is unjustified.

I think, it is hard to say what will exactly India do a "bigger role in strategic port more than 8 billion dollars". Pakistan likely get wrong assumption and possible delay projects with Iran, let's see how it goes from there. I hope India will not use Iran similar like Afghanistan situations, they already mention to have naval port available in Iran.