Iran and Israel, archenemies or potential friends?

[Abii]

surena what you are saying is impossible.they should first recognize palestine.

Give me one reason why that is the concern of us Iranians?

Because Iran is a muslim country? If you go to Palestine and do a survey, these wahabis will all be against Iran because we're shia. Only North African Arabs and shia arabs aren't secterian and racist. The rest are all secterian and hate shias from the bottom of their hearts. There is no reason, not even one, why we should even care about the affairs of Palis.

Are all Iranians passionate about the Palestine issue? After all Palestinian leadership sided with Saddam in the Iran Iraq war and again with Iraq in the Gulf war. I suspect, in Syrian crisis also, Hamas is in the other camp. Or does the Iranian govt push the Palestinian issue to win support and leadership in ME?

Depends, if you're religious, than yes. If not, then you don't care. It's pretty much exactly like that and there isn't a lot of middle ground on the topic. Almost everyone agrees that Israel stole their land etc..., but if you're not religious, you care very little about their affairs today. The Arabs are more than capable of handling their situation if they wanted. Plus, it's not like the Palis are that desperate. They have okay lives. Afghans and some Central Asian nations need help much more than them.

 

[kollang]

Give me one reason why that is the concern of us Iranians?

Because Iran is a muslim country? If you go to Palestine and do a survey, these wahabis will all be against Iran because we're shia. Only North African Arabs and shia arabs aren't secterian and racist. The rest are all secterian and hate shias from the bottom of their hearts. There is no reason, not even one, why we should even care about the affairs of Palis.

yesterday i studied about this case.unfortunately im agree with you now.
why should we accept these sanctions?for who? these arabs?after their freedom they will come to PDF and they will continue prattling like blackeagle and ... about Iran and shism.
so i have to change my position badly...now im agree with having relationship with Israelis.

 

[Abii]

we are 33 years under sanctions exactly because of Palestine.how can you say such a bullshit?
this jordanian guy's IQ is as less as a sea algea.what do you think guys?

Outside of North Africa and shia arab nations, they are ALL like that. Don't even doubt it for a second. They think the current Iranian regime is their enemy when in fact the current regime has done nothing but advertise arabs as the good guys. That's why you think they're your friend and Israelis are your enemy. I've seen these people here in Canada.

As far as I'm concerned, both Israelis and khalijees can rot in hell and they deserve each other. Why should we waste even a second of our time on them?

 

[ihealugo]

Give me one reason why that is the concern of us Iranians?

Because Iran is a muslim country? If you go to Palestine and do a survey, these wahabis will all be against Iran because we're shia. Only North African Arabs and shia arabs aren't secterian and racist. The rest are all secterian and hate shias from the bottom of their hearts. There is no reason, not even one, why we should even care about the affairs of Palis.

Depends, if you're religious, than yes. If not, then you don't care. It's pretty much exactly like that and there isn't a lot of middle ground on the topic. Almost everyone agrees that Israel stole their land etc..., but if you're not religious, you care very little about their affairs today. The Arabs are more than capable of handling their situation if they wanted. Plus, it's not like the Palis are that desperate. They have okay lives. Afghans and some Central Asian nations need help much more than them.

we have 2 different idea in iran and israel and both of them are against the other one ...
we say noone must hurm others , they hurm palestine people , no matter who are palestine people , sunni etc ... we want to stop the world from colonizing , we won't let superpowers to destroy other lands to put their leaders , their government and their regime in the power ! if we want to be safe we must destroy the hegemony of superpowers , we must make them weak , or at least try to make them weak .... no matter that we be a superpower or not , the important thing is our will and our try .... result will come with God ....

and if we be friend with animals , we will become a animal ...

 

[Abii]

we have 2 different idea in iran and israel and both of them are against the other one ...
we say noone must hurm others , they hurm palestine people , no matter who are palestine people , sunni etc ... we want to stop the world from colonizing , we won't let superpowers to destroy other lands to put their leaders , their government and their regime in the power ! if we want to be safe we must destroy the hegemony of superpowers , we must make them weak , or at least try to make them weak .... no matter that we be a superpower or not , the important thing is our will and our try .... result will come with God ....

and if we be friend with animals , we will become a animal ...

No need to befriend them. We just shouldn't concern ourselves with this whole mess. The arabs DON'T want to fight the Israelis. They're more than happy with the current situation. Israel is here to exist and it will be here forever (nukes). Armed conflict is not the answer. Arabs must decide their own fate. They can continue having more babies and in a few decades, if they want, they can take control of Israel from the inside (by that time the number of Arabs and Jews will be the same).

We can help out our Afghan and Tajik brothers, who are also muslim and aren't racist and secterian. They are living in FARRRRR worse conditions than Palistinians, far worse. Every dollar we give to Afghans and other Central Asian nations is a dollar gone to a good cause. They're our brothers both in religion and culture and they are our natural allies. Arabs, well no need to explain what kind of people they are.

 

[ihealugo]

and now i will give you the main idea of Islamic republic of iran
if we want to understand the main reason that we are under sanction we must search in the ideas of west .
first remember that , these superpowers have a way to be a super power : 1- have you idea 2- create the anti idea of your idea and be it's leader 3- Synthesis if you have these three you can be a super power . طز و آنتی طز و سنتز از خودت باشه دنیا دستته
IDEA: LIBERALISM , ANTI IDEA : COMMUNISM Synthesis: every thing russia and US are doing
now go back to 1357...
the super powers thought that the revolution of iran will be a communism or liberal , no matter which one it would be , the important thing is that the revolution be one of these so they can controll our people , but Imam Khomeini Built Islamic republic , so a new idea was born and noone could make a anti idea for it because it is based on rules of Allah , and noone is a good opponent for God .... so they started to destroy our idea , they wanted to destroy us with Tabas Operation , 8 years of war and now sanctions ... but they couldn't and the won't because God had told us in Qur'an that if you do your best , noone will be your master !
no matter we stop our support for hezbollah or no
no matter we destroy FORDO or no
the important thing is that they want to be supwerpowers and we their slaves ....

REMEMBER THIS : NUKES DO NOT GIVE COUNTRY POWER , IF NUKES GAVE POWER , THE USSR AND USA WOULD KILLED ALL OF US TILL NOW .... (IMAM KHAMENEII)

lol , afghans aren't racist? if once went in their forums , they think the reason of their problems is our while ira gave them everything , even iran built a footbal stadium just like Azadi ... !!!!

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[Abii]

and now i will give you the main idea of Islamic republic of iran
if we want to understand the main reason that we are under sanction we must search in the ideas of west .
first remember that , these superpowers have a way to be a super power : 1- have you idea 2- create the anti idea of your idea and be it's leader 3- Synthesis if you have these three you can be a super power . طز و آنتی طز و سنتز از خودت باشه دنیا دستته
IDEA: LIBERALISM , ANTI IDEA : COMMUNISM Synthesis: every thing russia and US are doing
now go back to 1357...
the super powers thought that the revolution of iran will be a communism or liberal , no matter which one it would be , the important thing is that the revolution be one of these so they can controll our people , but Imam Khomeini Built Islamic republic , so a new idea was born and noone could make a anti idea for it because it is based on rules of Allah , and noone is a good opponent for God .... so they started to destroy our idea , they wanted to destroy us with Tabas Operation , 8 years of war and now sanctions ... but they couldn't and the won't because God had told us in Qur'an that if you do your best , noone will be your master !
no matter we stop our support for hezbollah or no
no matter we destroy FORDO or no
the important thing is that they want to be supwerpowers and we their slaves ....

REMEMBER THIS : NUKES DO NOT GIVE COUNTRY POWER , IF NUKES GAVE POWER , THE USSR AND USA WOULD KILLED ALL OF US TILL NOW .... (IMAM KHAMENEII)

I agree with the bold part, but you shouldn't doubt the resolve of Iranian people to achieve greatness. They have done us so much harm in the past century that no Iranian, be it a Westernized non-muslim like me, or a religious Iranian like you, would ever want to be a close ally of any of these cultureless Western nations. We can be smart and build our country and also help our muslim neighbors at the same time.

The only reason that they can dictate their will to the world is that there isn't anybody stopping them. The only way to stop them is to develop our country and ally ourselves with the new and upcoming superpower: China. We're smarter and more capable than every country in the region and without the sanctions we could become a country like Germany. We don't need to lose our identity however. There is no reason why we should become a slave nation like Saudi or a country that would gladly give up its culture like Turkey. We can be Iran and stick to our own ideals and develop at the same time.

I would love to see Iran help out the needy and hungry people of Afghanistan, Tajikistan etc... They are muslims too and they're also our Iranian brothers.

Iran isn't the old Iran. We're a country of 80 mln people who are all educated and know their history and how the West has tried countless times to enslave Iran. We will never become a slave nation like before. The west is also losing power. With the rise of the East and this new Iran, I'm sure we can become a force that demands respect if we change our politics and learn to be smarter.

Edit: Afghans are very racist, but that's because of their situation. They've been at war for more than three decades. Many of them can't even write their own names. The non-Pashtuns aren't bad. If we help them as much as we help these arabs, I'm sure we can win their hearts and minds with a blink of an eye. Just go to youtube and watch any Iranian music video. In some videos, 3/4 of the people who watch them are Afghans. Half of them speak our language and already like us. The Pashtuns are a problem but I would still pick them over these arabs.

edit 2: Iranians can also be very racist against AFG refugees inside Iran. A lot of these people have families back in Afghanistan. For every AFG in IRan, there are 10 Afghans from the same family back home. So considering that we host 2 mln Afghans and how many of them are forced to live and work in poor conditions in Iran (it's not our fault either as we're a developing country) and how sometimes people also treat them bad, it's understandable why some back in AFG would have bad things to say. But these are all problems among two related families and can be solved in a blink of an eye.

 

[Surenas]

and if we be friend with animals , we will become a animal ...

Israeli's animals? Their society is almost in every superior to ours. Education, infrastructure, science, etc. No need to protect those Arabs. Let them protect each other.

''According to Le Figaro, on June 5, 2010, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia told Hervé Morin, the Defense Minister of France that: "There are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.''

 

[ihealugo]

was i talking to myself?
look even if we recognize israel , stop supporting hamas, nothing will change !
and now with these 2 groups we had test many of our weapons ! for example use of Mesbah on RF-4 of turkey that was shot down ! or our anti tanks etc ....
and you better know that the money that we spend on them are from military budget ! we don't sacrifice our people for helping them!
we give them weapons so we improve our weapons by testing in a real war and we make them busy in israel so no war will happen for us !
Surenas
they used forbidden warheads on ghaze city ! even saddam used forbidden weapons against us when we were caputuring iraq soil !
if you what those warheads with body you won't say that they are not animals !

you say we sell our ideas out , so sanctions will be lift up? first of all if we be like shah time , yes they do that and second , if we weren't under sanctions we would be just like KSA that just buy and buy and buy !
in the near future , iran will be a regional power ! just wait for 20 years then all of these problems will be solved !

 

[Surenas]

1 chiz dige migametun narahat nashida , raftid canada va holand darid khosh migzaroonid , ma inja vase iran vasadim baad migid felestin ro velesh ke rahat shid ?

http://youtu.be/cyXugHhHZws

 

[ihealugo]

alan mishe begi in chie ? filtere!

goftam narahat nashid ke shodid , aslan pakesh mikonam rahat shi , shoma ham que nakon

 

[Surenas]

alan mishe begi in chie ? filtere!

Iranians chanting in Iran: Na Ghaze, na Lobnan, Janam fadaye Iran!

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[ihealugo]

delete kon surena ...

hamchin fast ham ke neveshte nis

 

[Surenas]

delete kon surena ...

Why? ......

 

[PteX]

Since there are many Arabs in Israel, it is easy to ask around what Arabs think about Iran. They think you are animals for supporting Assad and call you their second worst enemy, the first being Israel, of course. HAMAS has abandoned Syria and thus Iran cut off their funding and the West Bank Arabs think you do them more harm rather than good.