Iran: A "Role Model" For Pakistan To Get Self-Reliance in Defence

[SQ8]

That's a very shallow viewpoint here. I'm not going to defend projects like Qaher, but, to let you have an idea, we couldn't even produce simple mortar rounds and high caliber bullets in some periods of Iran-Iraq war (and we actually lost soldiers and people because of it). I'm telling you this so you can have an idea where we were (and at the end of the war, we were using simple drones, the first country in whole region to make UAVs). We had to beg foreign countries to sell us missiles or to even teach us how to shoot them. For your info, it was Syrians who first taught us how to shoot missiles in 80s.

I'm not saying we are very advanced in making any stuff, but I do know that, in case of a war, we don't have to ask any foreigners to sell us the most simple stuff anymore, letting them blackmail us or play with our lives. Can you say the same about your Arab brothers? They may have the most advanced jets, weapons or other things, but can they do shit if Americans/Europeans leave them like they did to us? Nah, they can't.

So I prefer a junk and low quality domestic industry (although we are far ahead of our neighbors in some fields) to a modern army that mostly relies on foreigners. There is nothing to be proud of when you sell oil and buy advanced weapons.

We have had mistakes, maybe some stupid unveilings for propaganda, but I don't have illusion, I know what's the reality and what's not. For foreigners, it's not that easy to get the whole picture, they mostly want something to make fun of. We have had many missed opportunities, but we have also many things to be proud of.

And that last paragraph is what matters. Because at the end all those missed opportunities are what would have really driven the industry instead of these fake propaganda projects. Iran had much more base and potential to develop actual useful weapons as compared to the focus on propaganda that has become the hallmark of its industry since Ahmedinijad.

I rather end up with this:


Your state just basically imports and renames Chinese hardware. Let me know when you can develop even a short ranged surface to air missile. Posting some random photoshopped pictures will not help your cause. By the way, Jf-17 is yet another Chinese system

Your claims on whatever it is aside.. it actually works unlike your fake propaganda whole sole purpose is to make the Mullahs look good.

 

[Djinn]

Pakistani's rather nuke themselves than follow in Iranian footsteps.

I rather end up with this:

Than end up importing and renaming a Chinese UAV and unveil it as "indigenous":

Your state just basically imports and renames Chinese hardware. Let me know when you can develop even a short ranged surface to air missile. Posting some random photoshopped pictures will not help your cause. By the way, Jf-17 is yet another Chinese system

As long as the "Chinese hardware" can get the job done, it is serving it's purpose rather than being used as a show off gimmick.

 

[The Last of us]

Your claims on whatever it is aside.. it actually works unlike your fake propaganda whole sole purpose is to make the Mullahs look good.

Alright troll, all those anti ships ballistic missile tests shown, anti radiation missile tests, surface to air missile tests, UAV tests etc etc are all fake You people never seem to amaze with how deluded your are. In order to defend your country, you claim try and downgrade everyone else.

Your country has to beg the Chinese for everything it has. This is your only source of pride it seems.
Next time don't comment nonsense without showing technical proof. If you have any evidence what I stated is false, then show it instead of spreading butt-hurt comments.

 

[SQ8]

Alright troll, all those anti ships ballistic missile tests shown, anti radiation missile tests, surface to air missile tests, UAV tests etc etc are all fake You people never seem to amaze with how deluded your are. In order to defend the backwardness of your country, you claim try and downgrade everyone else.

Your country has to beg the Chinese for everything it has. This is your only source of pride it seems.
Next time don't comment nonsense without showing technical proof. If you have any evidence what I stated is false, then show it instead of spreading butt-hurt comments.

The only technical proof that is needed is the fiberglass model that was claimed to fly, a supposed suicide bomb...
and essentially copies of US and Chinese systems. Also, you are on my forum so you exist BECAUSE I allow it. Would you like to be removed from the Iranian section permanently?

 

[The Last of us]

Pakistani's rather nuke themselves than follow in Iranian footsteps.


As long as the "Chinese hardware" can get the job done, it is serving it's purpose rather than being used as a show off gimmick.

No one said anything is wrong with Chinese system. What is the matter here is that you cannot produce such things without renaming Chinese systems. It is about indigenous capability. The MALE uav's Iran has is something you will not produce in the next decades.

The only technical proof that is needed is the fiberglass model that was claimed to fly, a supposed suicide bomb...
and essentially copies of US and Chinese systems. Also, you are on my forum so you exist BECAUSE I allow it. Would you like to be removed from the Iranian section permanently?

No, no one claimed that was flyable final product but it was stated to be a mock-up by the defence minister. So stop these cheap troll tactics.

Furthermore, you're now resorting to threats? If you don't know how to have a proper discussion, I suggest refraining from making statements like you did earlier, but it is obvious you have nothing worthwhile to bring to the table.

 

[Daneshmand]

The only technical proof that is needed is the fiberglass model that was claimed to fly, a supposed suicide bomb...
and essentially copies of US and Chinese systems. Also, you are on my forum so you exist BECAUSE I allow it. Would you like to be removed from the Iranian section permanently?

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are trolling here. At lease resign from being a moderator before taking up full time trolling.

@WebMaster

Take note of your moderator's language. Instead of being a force for good, he is trying to inflame the thread.

 

[The Last of us]

Yes, even the so called "senior moderators "can't help but troll and resort to threats. He threatens to ban me from Iranian section. What does the Iranian section have to do with this topic? Are we even in the Iranian section?

Don't think just because this is "your forum" that you'll get away with making baseless statements against Iran. Tell me, if you were in a debate in real life, what will you do then?

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

Not much of a difference btw Desert dwellers and Irani Propagandist mullah ( no offence)

Both of them continue reek of disgusting stench Egotism

 

[Djinn]

You country is backward enough already, one has to wonder what "nuking" yourself will do.
Furthermore, no one said anything is wrong with Chinese system. What is the matter here is that you cannot produce such things without renaming Chinese systems. It is about indigenous capability. The MALE uav's Iran has is something you will not produce in the next decades.

WoW talk about verbal diarrhea and delusions of grandeur. Unlike you i am not going to rely on subjective rhetoric to prove a flawed point, so you are free to believe whatever you like......Not to mention Pakistan acquired nuclear tech quite swiftly which youR country has been struggling to acquire for last 3 decades..........Now, don't say your country has nukes and blah blah because that would just show how immature you really are.
Secondly unlike you, we don't have a bloated ego to show off, whether stolen or acquired, our equipment actually works and we don't care if its made in Sudan. Because the difference is unlike you, we don't need to rely on empty rhetoric to ward off our enemies. Now be a sport and do some reading to spare us the tedium of your IGNORANT RANTS.

 

[salarsikander]

Yes, even the so called "senior moderators "can't help but troll and resort to threats. He threatens to ban me from Iranian section. What does the Iranian section have to do with this topic? Are we even in the Iranian section?

Don't think just because this is "your forum" that you'll get away with making baseless statements against Iran. Tell me, if you were in a debate in real life, what will you do then?

HI,

With due respect. You should be Thankful to @Oscar For letting you air your deluded and comments filled with bloated ego, You could have got a ban without any warning.

The fact that he chooses to converse with you,(without banning) is quite evident of how A non-biased person can get.

I understand you got upset from a one liner sentence of dvd player and stealth. NO, single post can be judged based around one sentence using few words.

If i were you. I would have asked for clarification before going overboard with a full charge .

 

[Djinn]

You should be ashamed of yourself. You are trolling here. At lease resign from being a moderator before taking up full time trolling.

@WebMaster

Take note of your moderator's language. Instead of being a force for good, he is trying to inflame the thread.

Don't try to blow things out of proportion your compatriot here has a history with AntiPakistan trolling and reminding him that he is on a Pakistani defence forum is an apt heads-up.
Again the only one fuming at mouth and throwing ridiculous statements is your compatriot so you rather get him the help he needs instead of pointing fingers at others.

 

[salarsikander]

He is the one who started trolling with statement about fiberglass plane etc. These comment have been bunked many times and are still being repeated. What clarifications are needed? How many times have Iranian members said qaher was just a mockup. Also, notice how he is not trying to use technical discussion to say why anti ships ballistic missile video etc I showed was "fake" but instead stuck on the qaher issue.
Furthermore, you may not like my comment, but to threaten with bans etc is a cheap tactic. What have I said which is against forum rules?

HI,

You see it doesn't matter about the post, what matter is the content that reflects the emotion poured in it, which is very well-evident of tone you choose to write with it.

Honestly, speaking I have seen more Irani members showing off bloated ego than having a technical discussion.

If you really wanted to beat his argument hands down, You could have gone down to specifics and asked for clarification.

I can assure most of his posts are sarcastic and don't mean what one would think from his egotism mind.

I am not saying this because i am favouring him over you, but because i have seen his post on pots on Pakistani threads are true as callous they may sound about Pakistan.

The best way to counter argue is writing post without any biased opinion or giving high self regard to oneself

 

[Djinn]

Sorry but you just made a whole load of baseless accusations. Every intelligence agency has made it clear that developing a nuclear weapon is a political issue for Iran and not a technical one. Even right now, Iran has the ability to make 12 bombs.

It seems your country's only source of pride is making some old nukes which are in terms of power just tactical nukes. Even then you did not apparently achieve this feat without the Chinese help. Sorry but, nukes are not helping out your economy or security situation. How are you doing in education and science? Did you see the recent mathematic Olympiad competition where you country came 85th and Iran came 7th?

I don't want to pour salt on your wounds dude. I know Pakistani must not feel well about their current situation. But whenever you people resort to useless troll against Iran, then don't expect nice replies.

You know, ultimately, I rather Iran have a powerful economy, be secure, developed in science and technology than just be sitting down and the only thing it has to be proud off, is some tactical nukes.

LOL Is this the fairy tale you recite to yourself before hitting the bed?
Please next time come with something concrete to talk about.

 

[salarsikander]

I have already made posts showing where Iran is ahead of Pakistan and I welcome a comparison if people want that. For example, I showed surface to air missiles, UAV's, anti ship and anti radiation ballistic missiles. But the oly thing they can come up with is the debunked issue of qaher. I told you, what clarification do you want us to ask? It is obviously they're interested in trolling only.

Hi.

Right now I can guarantee you that your are swelling with anger, I suggest you take some time out. hit the road, take some fresh air.

I am sure you never compare yourself with friends do you? Then why compare here?

Just because they do it ! is not the justification. Now tell me one thing if whatever you said regarding the comparison, if i choose to believe that half of it as truth, does that affect you or the Irani guards in anyway?

No, it doesnt. But when you choose to base your post around hatred, that results in flame war.

You dont have to reciprocate exactly the same attitude when you fight.

Calm down and read the posts again minus the bandwagon of high self-esteem and ego.

 

[rockstar08]

Even a Dog know its Place , and Iranians i must say , their Mullah has brainwashed them to core that they believe they can defeat anyone ..
and Iran role model for Pakistan ? lol you gotta be kidding here ..A country even a husband before have sex with his wife ask the Aytuallah ... will now teach us hahahaha ..

@Serpentine you should control your Irani pests here
they are going to far