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Iran: A "Role Model" For Pakistan To Get Self-Reliance in Defence

Hi, while this is not a discussion on the Pakistani education system, I would like to add a few relevant points. Pakistan's education system, especially its higher education system, is light years behind that of Iran's.

My brother is a professor (Phd in electrical engineering), and I did two master's degrees. What we both noticed is that there is a much higher number of Iranian graduate students relative to Pakistanis here in the USA. This is just sheer numbers, when you account for the fact Iran has a much smaller population, the difference is even larger.

More importantly the Iranian students were better educated and tended to be harder working. The Pakistani students on scholarships seemed to have gotten them due to their connections, and not merit, and to be honest some of them were just plain incompetent.

Having a large number of educated people would go a long way to improving Pakistan internal defense industry. Just my two cents.
 
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A Role Model !!
That is a far fetched idea, and whoever thinks so needs a lesson in self respect.
Any group of people or individual, once threatened enough will reverse normal probability distribution
and do the extreme to survive.
 
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Very good on part of Iran, Alas, if we are able to do 10% of what Iran is doing...

As long as baby sparrow remains in nest under its mother sparrow, it feels that it will not able to fly.... when the feathers are grown, the mother sparrow throw it away from the nest, so it could learn flying.....

When baby sparrow takes its first flight, it realizes oooh i can do it...

Pakistan is like a baby sparrow, being fed by US (mother sparrow), we pray that US throw us again to fly independently, that will be great 'ehsaaan' on US...
 
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North Korea is also "self-reliant". But at the expense of starving its people. Iran can be self-reliant, without starving its people, because of its oil wealth. Pakistan needs a deep source of foreign exchange if it is to duplicate Iran's approach. How would Pakistan fund the growth of an industry that does not feed, cloth, shelter, educate, cure, entertain or transport its people?

Replace Corrupt Regime.
 
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Every country has it's own internal and external dynamic - we wish Iran and Iranians, well - a role model for the defense industry?? I don't know about that.

Pakistan of course needs a industrial development policy and Pakistan's defense manufacturing industry, if it is allowed to set foundations among the larger industries in Pakistan, has great potential - the Armed forces as designers, manufactures of weapon systems, it seems to me, deprive private industry of the opportunities to expand their technical and manufacturing know how. Look at the the Trucks and heavy metal, such as tanks and imagine how much Pakistani car makers, labor and society could benefit from public/private partnerships. The large industrial concerns could then expand regionally and take with them, a reputation for well made products and pride of workmanship, huge winners for Pakistan.
 
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Replace Corrupt Regime.

apart from corruption there is one more thing-- political stability... read this

Corruption in public life is not as much of a threat to economic growth as political instability. Cross-sectional and time-series evidence would show this.

The starkest example is the hugely successful China of today. Mao's more ideologically pure and politically committed cadres ran a less corrupt system than Deng's disciples.

But see who made China a rising power!

Closer home, India's 'best performing' states, according to an exhaustive study by economists Bibek Debroy and Laveesh Bhandari, are Gujarat and Tamil Nadu.

Gujarat is home to Narendra Modi's government which has acquired the reputation of being one of India's less, if not least, corrupt governments.

Tamil Nadu's two major ruling parties, the Dravida Munnettra Kazhagam and the All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, have often been criticised for running governments that have been symbols of 'efficient corruption' -- work gets done -- compared to the 'inefficient corruption' in states like Jharkhand.

What Gujarat and Tamil Nadu have had, which has helped both states maintain high rates of growth over long periods of time, is political stability.

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Maharashtra is a good example of a state that has been afflicted with both corruption and political instability. The double whammy has hurt Maharashtra in the past decade.

Andhra Pradesh, on the other hand, is an example of a state that experienced high corruption during the politically stable era of both Chandrababu Naidu and the late Y S Rajasekhara Reddy.

Corruption during both regimes did not hurt the state's growth as much as political instability has in the past two years. Andhra Pradesh has overnight become a hot potato for investors, including its own

Three prominent Hyderabad-based business leaders have moved out of the state in the past year, taking their business not just to other states but also outside India.

The correlation between political stability and economic performance is strong in South Asia as a whole. During the era of President Pervez Musharraf's 'stable' regime, Pakistan's economy registered impressive rates of economic growth, by its recent standards, logging upwards of 6 per cent per year.

In the past two years, the Pakistan economy has grown at just around 2 per cent. This year the most optimistic number coming out of even official Pakistan sources is 3.5 per cent growth.

Nepal tells a similar story. Its economy has suffered hugely at the hands of the political instability that has gripped this landlocked Himalayan nation in the past two years.

On the other hand, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have benefited from political stability, even if in Sri Lanka that stability has come at a high human cost.

While Sri Lanka hopes to repeat last year's eight per cent growth story this year, Bangladesh expects to do that with its over six per cent growth.

Clearly, Pakistan and Nepal are examples of economies in which growth has suffered owing to political instability, while in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka political stability has fostered growth.

As a general proposition it can be said that political corruption is not as much a threat to economic growth as political and social instability.

This is neither a nice thing to say or read nor a particularly elevating sentiment, but there it is.

On the other hand, one could even suggest, from Tamil Nadu's experience with the alternating regimes of the DMK and the AIADMK, that corruption may well oil the wheels of growth, while political instability would throw sand in them, as is happening today in Andhra Pradesh.

Both in Mumbai, India's financial capital, and in New Delhi the talk in the business cocktail circuit these days is that the fear of being charged with corruption among policy makers may be contributing to policy paralysis and a slowdown in growth and, at some stage, to political instability.

If the absence of the oil of corruption slows the wheels of growth and the emergence of political instability throws sand into the already slow wheels, growth will plummet!

Events in Pakistan draw attention to the next threat from continued political instability -- the flight of capital and talent.

In the past decade, even when corruption was high, India continued to attract both investment and talent.

However, in recent weeks more and more Indian business leaders are talking about investing abroad, including in China and Africa, as a way of de-risking and reducing their dependence on India.

Pakistan has seen such a flight of capital and talent. Millions of educated and wealthy Pakistanis are moving out of the country for fear of political instability.

Though Nepal does not have as many rich or talented people, it too will experience this flight if political stability does not return quickly to the country.

There are, of course, fundamental moral objections to corruption in public life. Economists are also aware of the economic consequences of corruption, which can be both negative and positive.

Corruption distorts the distribution of gains from economic activity, which contributes to inequity. At the same time, it oils the wheels of economic activity and policy making.

Hence, economists cannot take a uni-dimensional view of corruption, while they would take a singular view of the negative economic consequences of political instability.

At a time when India is grappling with an economic slowdown, it would appear that any threat of political instability poses a greater problem for economic growth than the enduring problem of corruption in public life does.
 
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I just realised this post is in the wrong section has nothing to do with Aviation
 
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North Korea is also "self-reliant". But at the expense of starving its people. Iran can be self-reliant, without starving its people, because of its oil wealth. Pakistan needs a deep source of foreign exchange if it is to duplicate Iran's approach. How would Pakistan fund the growth of an industry that does not feed, cloth, shelter, educate, cure, entertain or transport its people?

I fully agree with this...:agree:
 
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In order for Pakistan to be self reliant they have to get out of this corrupt version imperial education system and introduce their own indigenous education system and only then Pakistan can truly stand up on its own feet. Other wise this nation will always remain dependent on somebody.
What do you mean by this.....There is no imperial system nor indigenious one. A strong and healthy public education system on par with a private one is what is the need of the hour, but one must also see that while the universities would start producing an improved product i.e. students, who will absorb them. For example in natural sciences e.g physics, math and chem etc the output is either absorbed to some extent by military in their reseach orgs or by universities themselves. Not many in private sector are usualy interested in their resumes since there is no private RnD in Pakistan. So the issue no as simple as you put it, its much much more deeper than you think it is.
 
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pakistan has got abundant natural resources to be self reliant.we only lack sincerity with the state
 
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but all these equipments are not high standard like western or Chinese
 
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Brother . . . For your kind info . . . I will quote just one exapmle here for which I have a valid documentry evidence . . . . Dr Samar Mand Mubark (One of our Great Nuclear Scientists) have given an interview to GEO TV with Hamid Mir and told that by utilizing Thar Coal Reserves, Pakistan can PRODUCE 50,000 MW of electricity annually for NEXT 500 Years . . . . ! it is just from "Thar Coal" . . . furthermore, we can even produce OIL/Diesel from that very Thar Coal.

Pakistan's Coal Electric Generation Capacity by Dr Samar Mubarak Mand - YouTube
Dr Samarmand Mubarak's Interview at GEO TV Program "Capital Talk" With Hamid Mir
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Documentry Regarding Iranian Made IR.AN-140 Passenger Aircraft . . . !

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Iran Aerospace research and industries( part 2-2) Iran Jet engine industries - YouTube
Documentry Video Regarding Iranian "Jet Engine Manufacturing Industries" . . . !
 
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Iran and Turkey perhaps Malasia to some extent are top Nations a role model

Pakistan - Saudia - ehm ... others not so much that is the reality at present
 
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