Iran: A "Role Model" For Pakistan To Get Self-Reliance in Defence

[IranZamin]

Iran's Zulfiqar tanks will be piles of burned junk just as Saddam 3000 + tanks were.

Yes,yes.. i know this is your wet dream

amazing how you change faces once a month

 

[lem34]

Hi,

For what---for expressing yourself----it is allowed it in this place---and there was nothing wrong with the iranian army at the border to take over baluchistan. The f86 were given / sold possibly late 60's early 70's if I am not wrong.

Whilst others stopped supplying us

 

[MastanKhan]

Whilst others stopped supplying us

That was the alternate route provided by the powers to be---if it was done that way---they would look the other way. Thank you.

 

[lem34]

That was the alternate route provided by the powers to be---if it was done that way---they would look the other way. Thank you.

And your source I suppose your gut feeling eh??

 

[Desert Fox]

Iran is a role model for Pakistan, but role model in what way?


1). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has a high literacy in both men and women.

2). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has become self sufficient in most important fields like defence, space program, auto industry, education system and science R&D.

3). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that Women are treated with respect in Iran, more so than they are in Pakistan or Arab countries.

4). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has stood strong like a stone wall despite all of the sanctions imposed on it, not budging from its stance to self determination and preservation of its dignity and its people.

But then again, these above mentioned should be the principles and foundations of every society and country.

Of course, i'm not saying Pakistan should put itself in a position which Iran is in today because there are certain factors which have benefited their country immensely and has enabled them to withstand economic sanctions, like their industrial sector which they developed in a rapid pace and much earlier than Pakistan and their oil production which has also played an important role.

I believe that Pakistan should follow the National Socialist model, both politically and economically.

Under National Socialism interest and Usury are abolished, the Government's top most priority is the benefit of the Nation and its people and the preservation of its heritage and culture. National Socialism must not be confused with Marxian/Communist Socialism, because unlike Marxian/Communist Socialism, National Socialism respects the individuality and property of its citizens, true Socialism values the individual and in fact encourages the individual in efficiency, which National Socialism exactly does.

Under National Socialism, it is mandatory for both male and female to have education, however the role of male and female is different in society, for example, unlike the western countries of today, the woman cannot have the same positions as a man, woman are not allowed in armed forces therefore they can't take the place of a male worker in positions where only the male is well suited to do the job and vice versa.

Under National Socialism, there are no classes in society, everyone must work together, the poor and the rich side by side working for the common good of their nation and its future.


The Paradise of National Socialism. - YouTube

 

[lem34]

Iran is a role model for Pakistan, but role model in what way?


1). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has a high literacy in both men and women.

2). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has become self sufficient in most important fields like defence, space program, auto industry, education system and science R&D.

3). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that Women are treated with respect in Iran, more so than they are in Pakistan or Arab countries.

4). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has stood strong like a stone wall despite all of the sanctions imposed on it, not budging from its stance to self determination and preservation of its dignity and its people.

But then again, these above mentioned should be the principles and foundations of every society and country.

Of course, i'm not saying Pakistan should put itself in a position which Iran is in today because there are certain factors which have benefited their country immensely and has enabled them to withstand economic sanctions, like their industrial sector which they developed in a rapid pace and much earlier than Pakistan and their oil production which has also played an important role.

I believe that Pakistan should follow the National Socialist model, both politically and economically.

Under National Socialism interest and Usury are abolished, the Government's top most priority is the benefit of the Nation and its people and the preservation of its heritage and culture. National Socialism must not be confused with Marxian/Communist Socialism, because unlike Marxian/Communist Socialism, National Socialism respects the individuality and property of its citizens, true Socialism values the individual and in fact encourages the individual in efficiency, which National Socialism exactly does.

Under National Socialism, it is mandatory for both male and female to have education, however the role of male and female is different in society, for example, unlike the western countries of today, the woman cannot have the same positions as a man, woman are not allowed in armed forces therefore they can't take the place of a male worker in positions where only the male is well suited to do the job and vice versa.

Under National Socialism, there are no classes in society, everyone must work together, the poor and the rich side by side working for the common good of their nation and its future.


The Paradise of National Socialism. - YouTube

Excellent well worth a read

 

[MastanKhan]

And your source I suppose your gut feeling eh??

Hi,

By reading a lots of related material, and also by working and living with them,and also looking at their past dealings.

If you ever forget that out of 10 americans, if there were 3 who hated you, and 3 who were neutral then there were 4 who liked you---and did not have anything against you and those looked the other way---pakistan's nuclear weapons program---one good example---.

My deceased uncle---one of the pioneer members in the building of pak nuclear program and at one time in-charge of installing the nuclear reactor in iran during the last days of shah's regime---he got his education / training in the u s and britain alongwith many other pak scientists--and there were a lots of sellers who sold stuff to pakistan---and the agency looked the other way all thru that time.

That is why I keep telling you---learn from what I am saying----no use bashing me or insulting me---I am too old for that now---it doesnot bother me---what hurts me is that you kids who have no experience at all---just want to talk sh-it without any substance---. You kids are opposed to opening your minds.

The french put sanctions on israel--israel had given an order of naval gun boats to france---they were ready but due to sanctions they were not delivered---so the israelis came and said that we want to do sea trials on these boats while we discuss the sanctions----. The french said okay---. The israelis started with sea trials and slowly started loading those boats up with fuel and oil and other neccessities---the city was silenty watching them loading stuff over the days---the builders were watching them do that---the french police and navy and ,millitary and intel agy's were watching them do that---but they all kept quiet---. One day when the israelis thought they had enough fuel and food abroad they moved on the boats to take off----well the city also came to wish them a silent farewell as---quietly gathering on the pier while the boats took of to the sea for 'trials.

So be it pakistan, israel or other countries---if you have fought side by side against a common enemy---you will always have welwishers on the other side.

 

[lem34]

Hi,


That is why I keep telling you---learn from what I am saying----no use bashing me or insulting me---I am too old for that now---it doesnot bother me---what hurts me is that you kids who have no experience at all---just want to talk sh-it without any substance---. You kids are opposed to opening your minds.

Sir. Please accept my apologies. I have seen a number of your posts and have the utmost respect for you. It was not my intention to bash and or insult you.

Lets just accept that we disagree on Iran-Pakistan relations

 

[ravian 245]

SELF RELIANCE in defence would make pakistan stronger.I agree iran is an oil rich country and we dont have enormous petro dollars to support our plan.Yet i feel we should copy iran,keeping BHUTTO's example in our minds who said openly to the world when india tested its first nuclear missile,WE WOULD DEVELOP ATOMIC BOMBS EVEN IF WE HAVE TO EAT GRASS.So i believe freedom is more important than anything and self reliance in defence would be a positive step in this matter.

 

[darkinsky]

the path should be islamic welfare state and nothing else, no mullah,no liberal fascist etc, path of modesty, moderatism

 

[killerx]

irans avation is not that high tec old jets the one they have created are copy of amarican jets

 

[kollang]

irans avation is not that high tec old jets the one they have created are copy of amarican jets

we have plan for produce +5 gen fighter.also we are so advanced in building passenger plane such as IRAN-140(Iranian made an-140),IRAN-158(Iranian made an-158) and also we have the plan for producing 100% home made 150-seat passenger plane.

 

[Cyrus the Great]

and you guys supported anti pakistan northern alliance

you have your own intersted in afghantestan in supporting taleban and I understand that same for Iran regarding northen allies. but both of them are out of Iran and pakistan.
Is there any anti Pakistan group which hosted in Iran or Iran support them? NO. but Jundullah is anti Iran and due to lack of control from pakistan side they use pakistan territory against Iran. and I do belive pakistan is not happy with that. but it is fact and Iran should protects her borders

 

[lem34]

you have your own intersted in afghantestan in supporting taleban and I understand that same for Iran regarding northen allies. but both of them are out of Iran and pakistan.
Is there any anti Pakistan group which hosted in Iran or Iran support them? NO. but Jundullah is anti Iran and due to lack of control from pakistan side they use pakistan territory against Iran. and I do belive pakistan is not happy with that. but it is fact and Iran should protects her borders

Pakistan and Iran should hammer out a joint policy on Afghanistan. The Taliban support needs to be tempered because that was funded by American/Saudis and it was for Russians not to attack Iran interests

 

[Cyrus the Great]

So how old are you now man like 80.

as Iranian I wittness what you say is not true.
Iran universities increased fron 25 to 300 after revelution.
Iran has 1370 research center now
%95 of iranian cities have natual gas wich was %1 in shah time. %85 of iranian village has natural gas whci was %0 in shah time.
% 40 of iranian used to live in city in Shah time but now is %65.
heath care system cover %99 of iranian now.
in shah time iran was an importer of latest technology but now iran is manufacturer.
it does not mean Iran does not have ugly face but what you claimed are not ture.