Iran: 4 Saudi Children Die from Poisoning in Hotel; 28 Hospitalized

[Saif al-Arab]

I just thought it might be possible since it seems to be a amateurish work and the substance its very cheap and easy to get, as well as easily produced.

But i might be wrong though since you imadiately notice the substance, its leaves a strange bitter taste in your throat once you inhale it.

For sure it's amateurish. Very much in fact.

I really don't know. Your guess can be as good as mine. I for sure have no idea what kind of pesticides or rodenticides are used in Iran, which are legal or illegal etc.

The reason why I doubt that hydrogen cyanide is used is because there are many more common pesticides and rodenticides out there. At least in the Arab world from what I know and somehow I doubt that Iran is much more different here.

First-generation anticoagulants for instance are more effective against pest rodents and less toxic than second-generation anticoagulants.

In general rodents are more likely than domestic animals or humans to consume quantities of treated bait that will cause poisoning. Accidental ingestion by young children can occur though and I remember similar cases in KSA.

In any case any toxic can easily spread through the central air-conditioning ducts.

The most toxic rodenticides that I can think of that might be potential killers in this case are sodium fluoraacetate, fluoracetamide, strychnine, crimidine, yellow phosphorus, zinc phosphide, thallium sulfate etc. to mention a few. Small doses alone are highly poisonous and can be fatal.

In Europe no sane person is using such chemicals to kill insects or rodents nowadays though.

@azzo

I cannot see anything in the Saudi Arabian media about the pesticide/rodenticide used in this case?

 

[Armstrong]

RIP !

And may the hospitalized ones have a safe, sound and speedy recovery.

 

[JUBA]

Well most likely it's a deliberate act, don't know why anyone would want to go to that hellhole of a country, you simply can't trust these people.

 

[azzo]

I cannot see anything in the Saudi Arabian media about the pesticide/rodenticide used in this case?

The investigation is still ongoing, so I don't why Arab media should jump the gun.

 

[Shahnameh]

Well most likely it's a deliberate act, don't know why anyone would want to go to that hellhole of a country, you simply can't trust these people.

The saudis that visit Iran are mostly if not totally shi'ites, thus, why would anybody try do so something like this deliberately? If anyone did this deliberately, then they will be hanged.
Despite what people may think, the people in Iran are not racist nor sectarian to do such things even if they were sunnis. If this turned out to be deliberate, then it will be very unforgivable and they will be punished with death. People should not jump to conclusions, this is most definitely just an unfortunate accident and if so, the people whose incompetent lead to this will also be punished.

 

[Full Moon]

The saudis that visit Iran are mostly if not totally shi'ites, thus, why would anybody try do so something like this deliberately? If anyone did this deliberately, then they will be hanged.
Despite what people may think, the people in Iran are not racist nor sectarian to do such things even if they were sunnis. If this turned out to be deliberate, then it will be very unforgivable and they will be punished with death. People should not jump to conclusions, this is most definitely just an unfortunate accident and if so, the people whose incompetent lead to this will also be punished.

They did it to the Shia visitors of Mashhad because they are Arabs. The act appears to be deliberate. This is another lesson for Shia Arabs to know what the Persian brotherhood feels like.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

RIP.

Which subhuman is responsible for this? They should severely punish anyone involved, from the one who imported this chemicals and sold them, owner of the hotel, those responsible for inspection and legislators in case of not having a law to prevent such incidents. The victims family should be fully compensated.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

They did it to the Shia visitors of Mashhad because they are Arabs. The act appears to be deliberate. This is another lesson for Shia Arabs to know what the Persian brotherhood feels like.

Despite being very much against the Mullah's of Iran I do not believe that anyone could do such a thing deliberately. KSA and Iran might have had tensions practically since 1979 but nobody in KSA is attacking/killing the millions of Iranian pilgrims that have visited Makkah and Madinah since 1979 nor do I think that Shia Saudi Arabians (Twelver, Ismaili and Zaydi) that travel to Iran to visit shrines have been deliberately attacked/killed.

I think that this was just an unfortunate incident or at least I hope so as you must be mentally deranged to deliberately poison children (including an infant) and innocent families who visit your country for religious pilgrimage and who spend money there etc. I mean especially as a owner of a hotel. I am not talking about some serial killer here.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I see your point bro, although Persians' ability to hold grudges can easily lead to such thing (we should also think of the timing and the fact that it hasn't happened before when there was less tension). I think most Persians will prefere Persian Jews over Shia Arabs any day.

I don't care about what Persians respect or not. For all I care they can curse us 450 million Arabs day and night. That's not the point here.

Look past all of the idiotic political tension (powers playing around with the ME as usual for the past century) and general hostility here or some grudges.

There is a long way from that and then to do something like this deliberately and actually kill pilgrims. In this case young innocent children, including an infant. I simply won't believe that anyone (least of all the hotel owner) could do such a thing but if it turns out to be the case then that might stop the Shias from going to Iran altogether. Or at least the numbers would be reduced greatly.

If this was regular Saudi Arabian tourists and not actual Shia's I would have believed that such a move would be more realistic but I would doubt that too.

In comparison can you tell me when Iranian pilgrims, Shia Iraqi pilgrims, Yemeni Zaydi pilgrims, Pakistani Shias, Jewish-Americans living/working in KSA have been deliberately killed? No such thing regardless of political tensions.

That's why those 2 Saudi Arabian officers who apparently touched those Iranian teenagers are likely to be executed for their crimes which is a good thing.

I believe that every guest should be treated very well regardless of who they are almost. People of the ME are in general very welcoming so I find such stories hard to believe but on the other hand I have never been to Iran so I don't know if they hate Arabs more than the lot here on PDF.

 

[Shahnameh]

They did it to the Shia visitors of Mashhad because they are Arabs. The act appears to be deliberate. This is another lesson for Shia Arabs to know what the Persian brotherhood feels like.

Sorry bro, but I think you have some bad impression of Iranians. Is it due to your experience on the internet? I am what you may consider a "Persian" but I see all humans as equal, Arabs,Greek,Chinese etc we're all equal. I am sure there are Persian nationalists out there but they're not subhuman enough to kill people like this.

My advice to you is don't let action of few people effect your judgement, even if those people are ruling a country. It usually helps to have friends from different ethnicities, this helps remove any misconception you have of them.
So no bro, a decent human being, whether Persian or not would never kill anyone.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

@Saif al-Arab
We have no problems with Arab tourists/guests and refugees. Iran hosted 50% of all Iraqi refugees in the world (among them many Iraqi Arabs. some of them received Iranian citizenship).

When Kuwait was Invaded by Iraq, even members of Kuwaiti elite fled to Iran.
Hamad Al-Jassim who worked for Kuwaiti foreign ministry: Iran was against the invasion and they gave our citizens shelter, we won't forget.
Adnan Abdul Samad, member of Kuwaiti national assembly: The majority of Kuwaitis of Iranian descent and Shia stayed and fought Saddam, the Kuwaiti Sunnis fled to Iran.
Another member of Kuwaiti national assembly said the following: During the occupation more than 100000 Kuwaitis went to Iran. The Iranian embassy in Kuwait gave them false passports so that they could get to Iran past the Iraqis, some of them were from the Al-Sabah family.

Also Iranian soldiers were the largest foreign force in Oman and helped Oman to defeat the communists.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Well if its pesticide there is one lethal one that no matter what we do it seems we fail to make some people not to use it .
Aluminium phosphide poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But honestly if really somebody used it in a hotel with guests inside I believe he most be sent to an 19 century stile mental disease ward for the rest of his life . so that's why I have some doubt its used but sadly some days ago we had cases of it being used in house when the owner went on vacation and as a result several of the neighbours died .

 

[بلندر]

there is another property : foreign intelligent service agency ...

 

[Madali]

Obviously this is not deliberate, but it is still a huge black spot for Iran, and Saudis have every right to be upset with our country. When we have guests over, their safety & security is our responsibility, and we have completely failed it here.

Hope authorities take this extremely seriously and punish anyone involved and look at the standards that allowed this to occur in the first place.

 

[-SINAN-]

By the way I wonder what sort of chemical could leak inside the ventilation system that was poisonous and affect only one room .

neumophila thrives in aquatic systems where it is established within amoebae in a symbiotic relationship. In the built environment, central air conditioning systems in office buildings, hotels, and hospitals are sources of contaminated water.

Legionnaires' disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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