Introducing - JF-17 Thunder Block - II

[Bilal Khan 777]

Let's think in "Indian way" for a while.
Give me proof, if you give, fine. Otherwise you are lying........

Proof that Jf17 is BVR capable? Test video? Pic?
Proof that Jf17 can fire C802? Test video? Pic?
Proof that Jf17 can carry LGB? Test video? Pic?
What is Jf17 pure air to air configuration? Pic? Video?
What is Jf17 pure air to ground configuration? Pic? Video?
Proof that Jf17 is capable of carrying and firing anti radiation & stand off munition? Test video? Pic?
Jf17 can refuel in air, proof? Refueling from Il78.......
Proof about CM400AKG?

I have seen pics / videos of Jf17 carrying and dropping un guided bombs, WVR missiles and gun ........ that's it. Rest all dummy test missiles ......

Where is "proof" of rest?
Should we believe what ever PAF officials are saying ? Or as a Pakistani it's our right to SHOW proof of your claim since it is not a strategic secret.......

Do remember, HOPES were high for Blk 1, it failed to full fill our those color ful dreams which were shown by PAF to all of us. Same can be said about Blk2 ....... and who knows to how much level Blk3 will full fill our Dreams & expectations........

Now plz, prove me wrong and show me something ..........
I do have the right to ask,...... so does rest of people who always expect PAF to fly high in sky and repeating its dominance over enemy like it did in past........

A lot of these videos shall eventually come to public eye. The problem is that people get too excited by seeing a static being air trialled or qualified, regardless of the contract being placed. These projects take time. I know you are asking for proof etc but I will give you a little feedback without any such proofs:

Proof that Jf17 is BVR capable? Test video? Pic?
Yes, this capability has been proven, integrated, fired, DH. However, videos were not released as the test range was not local. However, as soon as the new test range is complete (its almost there), it shall be shared with the public more openly than you think.

Proof that Jf17 can fire C802? Test video? Pic?
Integrated, and ordered. Tests will be undertaken with the Navy possibly in 2017 MISSEX and 2018 as well. Lets keep fingers crossed.

Proof that Jf17 can carry LGB? Test video? Pic?
This capability is underway. this maybe combined with GBU-12 derived local weapon, or REK weapon with SALC. This will only be complete proven after the integrated of the targeting pod.

What is Jf17 pure air to air configuration? Pic? Video?
WV,BV, Tank, BV, WV. Right now is PL5, SD10 combination. In the future, this is about to change.

What is Jf17 pure air to ground configuration? Pic? Video?
Various AG options under qualification, options are GPB on DER, PGMs, Sat guided or SALC, or REK weapons. LAGRs are also in consideration for qualification for export customer.

Proof that Jf17 is capable of carrying and firing anti radiation & stand off munition? Test video? Pic?
There is no ARM integrated yet. Various REKs are under trials.

Jf17 can refuel in air, proof? Refueling from Il78.......
Yet to be realised. South African probe and Mirage approach abandoned. Other possibilities being explored and tested/qualified.

Proof about CM400AKG?
Not ordered. Qualification complete. Maybe ordered after test demonstration by vendor.

BR

That would make sense if the structure in Pakistan had anything on accountability available for military projects.
So far, we know nothing. For e.g. do you have any proof of RAM tile testing carried out by the PAF in the mid to late 90's? None, but it had a near operational scenario test. @Bilal Khan 777 Would I be exaggerating then?

far from exaggeration, but these boys do need to know, so I have given them something. The general disinformation and deception is getting to them.

 

[Quwa]

@Bilal Khan 777 Are you saying that a local instrumentation range is finally being built? I've been hearing that this has been an ask for a few years now, especially as guided munitions (e.g. REK) are being built locally. If configured with the right equipment, this range could greatly improve the evaluation process, we can have overseas vendors trial them under rigorous and local conditions. If it is a proper range, it'd be among a few in the region.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

@Bilal Khan 777 Are you saying that a local instrumentation range is finally being built? I've been hearing that this has been an ask for a few years now, especially as guided munitions (e.g. REK) are being built locally. If configured with the right equipment, this range could greatly improve the evaluation process, we can have overseas vendors trial them under rigorous and local conditions.

The range has been there for decades. It is being upgraded, and about to be made live again, relevant to current and future pursuits.

 

[Quwa]

The range has been there for decades. It is being upgraded, and about to be made live again, relevant to current and future pursuits.

That's amazing - lots of potential considering it makes the idea of unmanned F-6s and A-5s (to serve as live targets) a little closer to reality. If anything, at least we'll get those missile/bomb launch videos.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

That's amazing - lots of potential considering it makes the idea of unmanned F-6s and A-5s (to serve as live targets) a little closer to reality. If anything, at least we'll get those missile/bomb launch videos.

But nobody has gone down the route of making RC F6 and A5 for F7, though i proposed this back in 89.

 

[Quwa]

But nobody has gone down the route of making RC F6 and A5 for F7, though i proposed this back in 89.

Couldn't the PAF acquire the necessary kits from China? There are J-7-based drones (used for live fire testing), or is it one of those things the Chinese want to keep close to their chests? In any case, it is what it is, let's hope for the best.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Couldn't the PAF acquire the necessary kits from China? There are J-7-based drones (used for live fire testing), or is it one of those things the Chinese want to keep close to their chests? In any case, it is what it is, let's hope for the best.

I believe we already have a high speed drone for such shenanigans.

 

[The SC]

Hi,

I would be concerned more about the EW suite and missiles.

American are proving over and over that as long you have a superior EW suite---you have a superior aircraft---.

And to prove that---they have the F35.

And then to top it off---the americans have also shown---it is not only the primary aircraft ( 5th gen ) that is important---it is also the complimentary aircraft / the supporting aircraft that will cause more havoc thru their standoff weapons when they are guided by the primary aircraft.

So---it has become more of a team issue---. What can one team do better than the other team overall. It is not about " that " one pilot anymore---even though it will still be the deciding factor---but it is not about the ONE MAN glory factor.

It seems to be going towards network (fusion) centric aerial combat, Where the leading or directing aircrafts will play a major role through networking. Maybe cloud networks and databases will be used through secure military satellites..

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Jf17 can refuel in air, proof? Refueling from Il78.......
Yet to be realised. South African probe and Mirage approach abandoned. Other possibilities being explored and tested/qualified

Sir,
The latest pic of block 2 showed a South African Probe in similar Mirrage arrangement. If this has been abandoned then could we see something similar to F-16's as J-10 option is not available due to nose section space limitation.

 

[_NOBODY_]

and tell me why UK will share its classified technology to PAKISTAN give me the answer please?

Back in the day PAF was willing to get Thales Spectra for JF-17 when it was new so please think before you speak.

 

[Tempest II]

Sir,
The latest pic of block 2 showed a South African Probe in similar Mirrage arrangement. If this has been abandoned then could we see something similar to F-16's as J-10 option is not available due to nose section space limitation.

09-109 had the Mirage/South African probe. This was dropped.

229 has the J-10 type and this is the latest.

http://www.janes.com/article/57508/jf-17-block-ii-advances-with-new-refuelling-probe

Images revealed on Chinese websites on 23 January indicate the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1 export fighter - co-developed with Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, which calls it the JF-17 Thunder - is advancing into a 'Block II' development and reportedly testing new weapons.

New images of an FC-1 at the CAC airfield with port number 229 show the first employment of an apparently Chinese-designed aerial refuelling probe: an important feature of the JF-17 Block II version. The probe features a streamlined tube, is located below the aircraft's cockpit canopy frame and may be detachable.

Chinese reports indicate the refuelling probe design will be used by the Block II version of the FC-1/JF-17. However, this is not yet confirmed as the Chinese-designed refuelling probe differs from an initial version first seen on a JF-17 in Pakistan in late 2013. This previous design was entirely cylindrical and its shape and placement just behind the canopy frame indicate there was probably design assistance from Denel Aviation of South Africa. Denel, formerly Atlas Aviation, has previously assisted with outfitting some Pakistani Mirage III fighters with refuelling probes.

 

[Windjammer]

Sir,
The latest pic of block 2 showed a South African Probe in similar Mirrage arrangement. If this has been abandoned then could we see something similar to F-16's as J-10 option is not available due to nose section space limitation.

In a recent article, it was stated that the aircraft 2-29 is fitted with definitive IFR Probe.....this will be the standard on all new build Block-2 air frames.

 

[Bratva]

A lot of these videos shall eventually come to public eye. The problem is that people get too excited by seeing a static being air trialled or qualified, regardless of the contract being placed. These projects take time. I know you are asking for proof etc but I will give you a little feedback without any such proofs:

Proof that Jf17 is BVR capable? Test video? Pic?
Yes, this capability has been proven, integrated, fired, DH. However, videos were not released as the test range was not local. However, as soon as the new test range is complete (its almost there), it shall be shared with the public more openly than you think.

Proof that Jf17 can fire C802? Test video? Pic?
Integrated, and ordered. Tests will be undertaken with the Navy possibly in 2017 MISSEX and 2018 as well. Lets keep fingers crossed.

Proof that Jf17 can carry LGB? Test video? Pic?
This capability is underway. this maybe combined with GBU-12 derived local weapon, or REK weapon with SALC. This will only be complete proven after the integrated of the targeting pod.

What is Jf17 pure air to air configuration? Pic? Video?
WV,BV, Tank, BV, WV. Right now is PL5, SD10 combination. In the future, this is about to change.

What is Jf17 pure air to ground configuration? Pic? Video?
Various AG options under qualification, options are GPB on DER, PGMs, Sat guided or SALC, or REK weapons. LAGRs are also in consideration for qualification for export customer.

Proof that Jf17 is capable of carrying and firing anti radiation & stand off munition? Test video? Pic?
There is no ARM integrated yet. Various REKs are under trials.

Jf17 can refuel in air, proof? Refueling from Il78.......
Yet to be realised. South African probe and Mirage approach abandoned. Other possibilities being explored and tested/qualified.

Proof about CM400AKG?
Not ordered. Qualification complete. Maybe ordered after test demonstration by vendor.

BR


far from exaggeration, but these boys do need to know, so I have given them something. The general disinformation and deception is getting to them.

MAR-1 was to be integrated onto Mirage and JF-17 simultaneously in 2015. Wasnt the integration done in 2015 or it got delayed further?

What was the reason all these things were not done with Block-1 and such efforts got underway only in 2012ish or 2013ish and were verified first on Block-II and if PAF is in mood it will be implemented backwards ? PT-5 of JF-17 was supposed to be weapons integration test bird. 2008-2014 is a large period where PAF could have achieved what they are trying to achieve it now.

 

[_NOBODY_]

WHEN? give me link please in your wet dream kid this place is not for yours go kid play your toys, go live in your fantasy world

Say whatever makes you feel better and stop derailing the thread. By the way congratulations you are on my ignore list.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

229 has the J-10 type and this is the latest.

In a recent article, it was stated that the aircraft 2-29 is fitted with definitive IFR Probe.....this will be the standard on all new build Block-2 air frames.

This Probe ?