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Intense air activity in Srinagar today by IAF

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Mangus Ortus Novem said:
China wants India to make the first move... it has got both ModiRegime and IndianArmedForces in a very difficult position... either keep retreating from IndianOccupied Ladakh or engage in military action...

For now all of the Indian deployment of assets and troops is typical ClockworkWarfare ...that it has practiced against Pakistan @PanzerKiel @Signalian

China/PLA won't engage in ClockworkWarfighting ... it is a dragging down doctorine...

We might get to see a DisruptiveWarfare Doctorine ...should India fire the first bullet!

For now it is neither forward nor backward for India!

We have seen a spike in terror attacks in Pakistan and this new outfit on the line of TTP/BLA claiming responsibility for terror attacks in Karachi.... and last week in Pindi.... Balochistan has suffered and so has former FATA...

This trend of creating terror acts as diversion/deterence for Pakistan is the same strategy when the VajpaeeRegime put Indians on the border for a year so that we couldn't take care of our Western borders...

CeaseFireLine violations will accelerate with targeting of PakCivilians in AJK... again a deterence/diversion tactic... @waz

The Geography of Ladakh doesn't allow the kind of battelfield Indians are deploying for...but let us see how the move... never underestimate an organised force... even if its from our nemesis!

One senses.... the silence of Modi and now visiuals coming to IndianMedia are not really for soothing nerves of the Indian populations...but a kind of CounterPressure building from Indian side to deter the PLA any further advance than already....

For now it is at Psychological stage... without belittling, Indians are starting from a Shocked position... so this nervousness might create some miscalculations...

For any outcome IAF has to dominate the Airspace completely... not half...but totally.. otherwise... more losses of not only faces but Landmass!!!

Mangus
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We talked about China, Nepal, bangladesh but forgot to mention Srilanka.

 
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NA71 said:
Indians running live war theater on twitter.... On LAC which plane taking off...where they might attack.....
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If you get a link to the video, send it to me also.

TheTallGuy said:
@Archie
as @NA71 said these ...Damn! i feel shivers in spine! aray sb
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The only proper way to deal with Indian loud mouth and constant delusions.

I wish Pakistan beat those Indians with those sticks, they would be crying rivers.
 
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Considering Pakistan is technically neutral in this conflict, it’s awacs can relay location data to the Chinese of Indian Air Force movements, considering many Indian bases are close to the Pakistani border.

considering this may become the new normal, the Chinese could build a series (12-18 complexes) of OTH (Over the horizon) radars in parts of China in two concentric circles (overlapping to ensure coverage), and the signals processed by supercomputers to provide 360 degree coverage to China out to 3000 km in ideal conditions. It would ensure coverage over the entire “Indo-Pacific” and provide support to its allies and deters adversaries such as India.

Similar to what the French have but layered, with the best supercomputers and linked with other sensors such as radar and EO/IR satellites

For allies such as Pakistan, it can allow PAF awacs and fighters to focus EM energy (or point their IRST) in a specific direction to clarify where the enemy maybe. It can also address AWACS gaps between patrols, over the land and out at sea.

 
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india will attack Pakistan instead of confronting with china as they have much proxies and traitors in Pakistan while in china they have not support from such elements,they will wage a limited war for satisfying their public and controlling the damage done to their army morale
 
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Yaseen1 said:
india will attack Pakistan instead of confronting with china as they have much proxies and traitors in Pakistan while in china they have not support from such elements,they will wage a limited war for satisfying their public and controlling the damage done to their army morale
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but to justify it they will have to launch a false flag attack and blame Pakistan. The problem is even if they do that their fight is currently with China, and no one will ignore the obvious diversion. Hence, India does not have a military option to resolve this conflict.

China may offer to demarcate the LAC (but not give up its claims to Ladakh as a part of Tibet) if India reverses abrogation of 370/35A and agrees to resolving disputes according to the Wuhan consensus. Tripartite conflict resolutions between India, China, and Pakistan. Hence any future conflicts in Kashmir would have to involve the Chinese and no other third part, superseding the 1972 Simla agreement.
 
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Bossman said:
Not Jaguars, they cannot operate at high altitudes. Very under powered.
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IAF recently had them upgraded with new engine and avionics for a 2 front war doctrine.

Mangus Ortus Novem said:
Should Indians muster up courage and go for 'limited war' with China.... Shaheen Exercises Scenarios will play out...
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True. Asymmetrical war is the route IAF would go against the PLAAF. How will it pan out will be seen in the near future.
IAF and PLAAF both use similar aircraft ie Flankers which have also most the same RCS hence easy targets. J-11D and J-16 with AESA Radars and low RCS would be the key. Impo J20 would be over kill for IAF but it would give the Chinese Stealth aircraft combat experience and potentially other stealth aircraft currently in development stage a marketing boost.

Ali_Baba said:
Also, remember that China has the J10C which has a very good track record against the Su27/Su30 derivatives that both PLAAF and IAF operate.

The pilots of the Rafale may have had enough training to cause some chaos with their meteor, but it will be very quickly dispatched by the PL15. There are not enough Rafales to form any kind of "combat mass" to be useful for anything right now.

Also, IAF *** HAS *** to keep a fair amount of assets pitched against the old enemy .. PAF !!!! So, it does not leave them much to play with.
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If we look at the J10 then the highest numbers China has are the J10 A. As far as J-10 C are concerned they are no more than 70 at present but if war broke out then they would be making them on war footage which would indicate it to go up by 30 planes in a month.

NA71 said:
it means we knew this type of scenario would emerged so we developed tactics in advance during shaheen
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PAF always keeps in mind India as her target hence China provides with SU30 MKK and J-11 J-16 and J-10 for these exercises.

J-10 is Chinese equivalent of the F-16 block 60 hence IAF should be easy pray.

FuturePAF said:
but to justify it they will have to launch a false flag attack and blame Pakistan. The problem is even if they do that their fight is currently with China, and no one will ignore the obvious diversion. Hence, India does not have a military option to resolve this conflict.

China may offer to demarcate the LAC (but not give up its claims to Ladakh as a part of Tibet) if India reverses abrogation of 370/35A and agrees to resolving disputes according to the Wuhan consensus. Tripartite conflict resolutions between India, China, and Pakistan. Hence any future conflicts in Kashmir would have to involve the Chinese and no other third part, superseding the 1972 Simla agreement.
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I would like to add that India can not even go to the UNSC for Kashmir Issue as they have denied the council resolutions adopted 60 years back. Hence India is not just garbed by the neck but also has her wings clipped.

India today has lost all her regional allies and technically SAARC is against India which makes it even harder for India to come out from this diplomatically.

The Chinese and Russians are also angry and want to kick India out of the SCO as India back stabbed them by making a pact with Australia and USA. This is the reason Russia is standing along China but as per there commitment to replenish lost aircraft are willing to send around 2 squadrons.
 
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