Intelligence Report: "My Stand is with Pakistan"

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No Pakistani should idolize this vile man.

Again, you’re assuming those who supported/support him in Pakistan knew about his views and role against Pakistan.

Not everyone browses forums like PDF. Most people are content in their lives watching our domestic political talk shows.

No where in the topic was the Shia faith discussed nor loyalties were discussed.

You may want to go back and read the thread again then, because you obviously missed the implicit and explicit attacks on Shia. It took you dancing around half the planet before you were able to even agree to a simple point about not maligning an entire group over the actions of a few.

Just because you can use sentences with the word aukat, does not mean you should use them. Humans learn easy. Just saying

You could have done the decent thing and criticized & condemned those attacking Shia & spreading sectarian hatred for hijacking the discussion, instead, you chose the vile option of attacking those defending the Shia for engaging in ‘minority blackmail’. Your words through this thread and other threads make clear your biases and prejudices against the Shia.

 

[El Sidd]

You may want to go back and read the thread again then, because you obviously missed the implicit and explicit attacks on Shia. It took you dancing around half the planet before you were able to even agree to a simple point about not maligning an entire group over the actions of a few.

I used the word Shia the first time in the thread when i said minority blackmail.

And yes it is if you keep masking state recruitment and saying they did nothing compared to other Sunni groups. No one said you attacked generalised Sunnis.

You could have done the decent thing and criticized & condemned those attacking Shia & spreading sectarian hatred for hijacking the discussion, instead, you chose the vile option of attacking those defending the Shia for engaging in ‘minority blackmail’. Your words through this thread and other threads make clear your biases and prejudices against the Shia.

You cannot be the judge of it as you are party to it.

Shia faith does not need defending and Shias know that. Those who politicize it need these fatwas of legitimacy

 

[Genghis khan1]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM Few points:

1. Hazaras were targeted in Pakistan because many of their community members are fighting against or were supporting Foreign troops in Afghanistan.

(Shias are heavily employed as undercover informant by western intel both in western police depts ( they offered services for money) to blend in and spy on mosques and in military for war zone activities).

Over the years, I have personally met 4, who work in different capacity. For many spying on (Sunnis) non-Iranian or Shia is a fair game.

2. Few years back one stooge on PDF even suggests (high in Iranian proxies gains in ME), that it’s time to bring in Hizbollah in Pakistan to do one on one with ISI. ( apparently after ISI intercepted Iranian diplomats and his Recuriting activities in northern Areas).

3. Shia population is some where around 10% of total Pakistan population. I see Shia folks always exaggerating their number. If Shia’s were in any significant numbers in Pakistan, Iranians ambitious, by now would have also turned Pakistan into Iran and Syria.

Considering type of extremist tendencies in Pakistan society, it’s in Shia’s own interest to distance themselves from Iranian agenda.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Again, you’re assuming those who supported/support him in Pakistan knew about his views and role against Pakistan.

Not everyone browses forums like PDF. Most people are content in their lives watching our domestic political talk shows.

That is the failure of our media and state. We pretend these problems don't exist because we are so concerned about sectarian fasad.

Neither KSA nor Iran should enjoy the type of immunity they have in Pakistan. Although I am glad we are seeing Pakistanis speaking out against KSA, UAE after Modi medals and KL summit.

What we are actually doing is kicking the ball down the road.

Eventually we will have to come to terms with this issue, most likely by being forced to (just like pretty much everything else.)

The quicker Sunni and Shia leadership come together to form a national action plan, the sooner we will start to build armor around our society to protect us from the sectarian storm which has only just started engulfing the ME. It is going to be a very turbulent time, we need to stick together.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Neither KSA nor Iran should enjoy the type of immunity they have in Pakistan. Although I am glad we are seeing Pakistanis speaking out against KSA, UAE after Modi medals and KL summit.

KSA and UAE issue is different.

Issue is poor illiterate slave mentally coupled with Nabi (s a w) Arabi so respect everything Arbi and Madiena Pak munjn being sold by halwa Molvis.
Plus job opportunity, where Iran bring nothing to the plate.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM Few points:

1. Hazaras were targeted in Pakistan because many of their community members are fighting against or were supporting Foreign troops in Afghanistan.

(Shias are heavily employed as undercover informant by western intel both in western police depts ( they offered services for money) to blend in and spy on mosques and in military for war zone activities).

Over the years, I have personally met 4, who work in different capacity. For many spying on (Sunnis) non-Iranian or Shia is a fair game.

2. Few years back one stooge on PDF even suggests (high in Iranian proxies gains in ME), that it’s time to bring in Hizbollah in Pakistan to do one on one with ISI. ( apparently after ISI intercepted Iranian diplomats and his Recuriting activities in northern Areas).

3. Shia population is some where around 10% of total Pakistan population. I see Shia folks always exaggerating their number. If Shia’s were in any significant numbers in Pakistan, Iranians ambitious, by now would have also turned Pakistan into Iran and Syria.

Considering type of extremist tendencies in Pakistan society, it’s in Shia’s own interest to distance themselves from Iranian agenda.

I’m going to give you the option to go back and edit your post so it doesn’t look like you’re attacking ALL Shia.

Please be mindful of how you phrase your arguments.

 

[Genghis khan1]

I’m going to give you the option to go back and edit your post so it doesn’t look like you’re attacking ALL Shia.

Please be mindful of how you phrase your arguments.

I have read your replies, and I do try to convey my message in a academic manner and without being blunt. But if you ever read an intel report or assessment, it has to be direct and concise.

So without going into details, what I says, hold a lot of experience and information. Don’t take it personal but read it as it is

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I have read your replies, and I do try to convey my message in a academic manner and without being blunt. But if you ever read an intel report or assessment, it has to be direct and concise.

So without going into details, what I says, hold a lot of experience and information. Don’t take it personal but read it as it is

There is a difference between being direct and concise and being inaccurate and misleading. There is also a difference in the target audience of an intel report/assessment and an open audience such as those on forums like this, where you don’t know the background, education or comprehension skills of the audience and where your comments will be misunderstood and distorted and used to further promote biases and prejudice.

For example - what’s the reason behind recruiting mostly Shia as intel operatives in the West? Because the target groups (Daesh, AQ) are mostly non-Shia and some openly espouse hatred for Shia. An intel officer will understand the subtlety of your comment, an average audience member might not.

 

[Genghis khan1]

For example - what’s the reason behind recruiting mostly Shia as intel operatives in the West? Because the target groups (Daesh, AQ) are mostly non-Shia and some openly espouse hatred for Shia. An intel officer will understand the subtlety of your comment, an average audience member might not.

Correct to some extent:

1. I didn’t say operatives, I said, informants. There is a big difference, informants are not trained investigators or agents, and are disposable limited time assets.

2. There is no Daesh or AQ in west (masjid). None the less, some Shia find their motivation to join and become informants due from Iranian adventure, blessed by Khomanie regime, plus money factor. Although they are not the only sect, but other are either coerced
By agencies due to their criminal background or just greed of money.

 

[HAIDER]

Overseas Pakistanis don't count, they have totally different view points than those who are in Pakistan. In US, we Shia & Sunni used to pray together in Jamat, sometime Shia imam sometime Sunni....would you ever dare to do that in Pakistan.

Yes because educated class of Shia and Sunni silently left the country or leaving the country.

 

[Xestan]

TTP were puppets of foreign powers, notably US, India, and NDS. They were not necessarily Sunni. LeJ has support among N league, notably Rana Sanaullah.

Shia radical groups have caused harm in Pakistan before as well, there have been pretty vicious riots which have been hushed and controlled by our security forces. Targeted assassination attempt of Mufti Taqi Usmani is another important example.

You have no idea what you're talking about, while Rana Sanaullah, like other politicians have links with SSP, LeJ is a different matter. Do you know PML-N Government of 1997 came on so hard on LeJ that the Prime Minister was tried to be assassinated in a remote-controlled blast in January 1999?

They are the ones who passed ATA and prosecuted countless LeJ militants.

Now, about TTP and all. LeJ was closely affiliated with TTP and carried out joint operations. Where do you think Asmatullah Muawiya popped up?

So, again, Shia militias have never gone to war with Pakistan, but Sunni militias have turned traitors and attacked the state of Pakistan.

 

[Imran Khan]

the only problem i see in my country we wake up after danger grow too big .we did not do preventive jobs .power shortage - terrorism - economy - child abuse are best examples

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So, again, Shia militias have never gone to war with Pakistan, but Sunni militias have turned traitors and attacked the state of Pakistan.

Why wait for it to happen now?

 

[Xestan]

Why wait for it to happen now?

Nobody is waiting, militants from Sipah-e-Muhammad have always been sentenced. A lot of them have been hanged in our jails. So, the State actively hunts them, and is not waiting.

 

[S.Y.A]

but how many Sunni Pakistanis went to fight for TTP, Laskhar-e-Jhangvi, JuA, ISIS etc etc?

How many 'Sunni' Pakistanis massacred our children, women & men in horrific terrorist attacks?

How many 'Sunni' Pakistanis played 'football' with the heads of our brave soldiers?

Why is it that these degenerates come out of the woodwork to only question the loyalty of the Pakistani Shia?

has the army ever bombed the crap out of shia areas in Pakistan on amercian orders? or allowed and supported usa in drone bombing innocent shias? btw most of these organizations were formed by the army and supported by the army, so you may know the confusion in the early years of the operation. please tell the whole truth when talking about such things, people like you have a habit of twisting facts.

with Gen Zia on the helm there was no question of us helping iran during its war with Iraq its unthinkable.

goes to show how little you know. there was covert support by Pakistan to Iran. if you want a public document to support that please read "profiles of intelligence".

also, it was iran under the shah that supported Pakistan, not the one under the current regime. the current one tried to export its revolution, and caused armed uprisings in gilgit(brutally put down by our own army, not caring about who was involved and who wasnt, many innocent shias also paid the price of actions of a few misguided ones) and quetta. when sensible Shia leaders like Allama Talib Jauhri etc were denounced by the revolutionaries.

So, again, Shia militias have never gone to war with Pakistan, but Sunni militias have turned traitors and attacked the state of Pakistan.

...like I said shia areas have never been drone bombed, bombed by artillery or jets, and whole sale operations carried out against by the military/state. when that happens, then we will see how they(the militias) react. mushi bombed entire villages in fata, we still dont know how many innocents were killed, drone strikes killed countless innocents. what do you think the family members of those killed by the state will do? throw roses at you?