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Intel Halts Chip Supply to Leading Chinese Server-Maker

you don't read my previous post aren't you, doesn't matter, here...

in other words, when China tried to take advantage of its monopoly and limit supply, the rest of the world picked up the slack. As a think tank report on the fallout from the 2010 incident put it: “Even with such apparently favorable circumstances, market power and political leverage proved fleeting and difficult [for China] to exploit.” Markets responded and “the problem rapidly faded.” (Money even flowed back into Mountain Pass for a while, although the company in charge, Molycorp, collapsed in 2015 when rare earth prices fell back to 2010 levels.)

trying to ban the US from the material just wouldn't work, the market quickly responded by moving the production elsewhere.

I read, and I understand your point.

My reply about your comment: trying to ban US from REM wont move production out from China to somewhere else, because in somewhere else the problem will be the same: lack of REM source in the market.

Now my reply about the article: how long the rest of the world could fill in the market the REM that China ban? 1 year? 2 year? 3 year? 5 year? 10 year? It wont be soon as you think, because as I've explained it is not only about raw material, but also the gap of technology and supply chain (tools, equipment, etc that are also under China's monopoly) for the processing of the raw materials. Even talking about raw material alone will take some time for other miner to fill the gap due to china's ban.

This is the clue :
rareearth_chart_web.ashx

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine...solidifies-dominance-in-rare-earth-processing

It will take years for other REM vendor to fill the gap; and before US can become independent on REM their technology supply chain and development will be disrupted and slowed down for some time during the ban, giving time for China to catch up or even leapfrog US in technology race.
 
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I read, and I understand your point.

My reply about your comment: trying to ban US from REM wont move production out from China to somewhere else, because in somewhere else the problem will be the same: lack of REM source in the market.

Now my reply about the article: how long the rest of the world could fill in the market the REM that China ban? 1 year? 2 year? 3 year? 5 year? 10 year?
It will take years for other REM vendor to fill the gap; and before US can become independent on REM their technology supply chain and development will be disrupted and slowed down for some time during the ban, giving time for China to catch up or even leapfrog US in technology race.
hmm this is becoming a merry go round

[In the event of a longer Chinese supply interruption, the U.S. rare earths mine at Mountain Pass, Calif., would likely become the first place to step up production, Gholz explains. The mine's previous owner, Molycorp, spent approximately $1.5 billion building a new separation facility for producing rare earth concentrates. It did not, however, complete the downstream processing needed to produce purified rare earth materials before the company went bankrupt in 2015 because of Chinese competition. The mine's new owner, MP Materials, plans to reactivate and complete the mothballed facility for fresh operation starting in 2020.

Another alternative is Australian company Lynas Corp.]

[Beyond existing mines, companies that dig for other resources might start extracting rare earth elements from deposits of different materials. For example, the U.S. could someday obtain these elements as byproducts from power plant coal ash and coal mining waste. And radioactive material mixed in with ores could end up being positive: If thorium-based nuclear plants prove viable, expanded thorium mining would also turn up usable rare earth minerals. Researchers have even begun investigating a large concentration of rare earth elements in deep-sea mud from an ocean floor deposit near Japan.]

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With China threatening to weaponize its advantage when it comes to rare earth elements, more companies may invest in innovations that could replace these materials with something else. Gholz points to a 2010 incident in which China temporarily cut off Japan from its supply of rare earth elements. Afterward, Japanese automakers such as Toyota and Honda began developing hybrid car motors that greatly reduced or even eliminated rare earth elements, such as terbium and dysprosium, from the powerful magnets used in electric motors.

During the 2010 supply scare, other large industries that used rare earth elements also discovered they could do without some of them. Oil refinery operators temporarily stopped using the rare earth element lanthanum, which improves oil refining efficiency, when the price went up. The glassmaking industry largely abandoned using the rare earth element cerium for polishing. Although industries related to national security would be unable to entirely forgo rare earth minerals, Gholz thinks the U.S. military's demand could be "easily satisfied by non-Chinese production" because this need represents less than 5 percent of the total market.]


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dont-panic-about-rare-earth-elements/


there's a reason why pr china hasn't banned rare earths yet to the US, first they know it's not that's insignificant and second it will spur the industry in the US back, something that china really didn't want to.
 
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U.S. Falters in Bid to Replace Chinese Rare Earths
Despite new legislation, Washington won’t be delivering critical minerals needed for defense, high tech, and energy.
BY KEITH JOHNSON, ROBBIE GRAMER | MAY 25, 2020, 7:00 AM
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A front loader shifts soil containing rare-earth minerals to be loaded at a port in Lianyungang, in China's eastern Jiangsu province, on Sept. 5, 2010. STR/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

Rising tensions with China and the race to repatriate supply chains in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic have given fresh impetus to U.S. efforts to launch a renaissance in rare earths, the critical minerals at the heart of high technology, clean energy, and especially high-end U.S. defense platforms.

But it’s not going well, despite a slew of new bills and government initiatives aimed at rebuilding a soup-to-nuts rare-earth supply chain in the United States that would, after decades of growing reliance on China and other foreign suppliers, restore U.S. self-reliance in a vital sector.

“I think the light bulb has gone on, but we are still in a muddle about exactly what to do about it,” said David Hammond, an expert on rare earths at Hammond International Group, a consultancy.

The problem is that, despite years of steadily increasing efforts under the Trump administration, the United States—both the public and private sectors—has yet to figure out how to redress the fundamental vulnerabilities in its critical materials supply chain, and America still seems years away from developing the full gamut of rare-earth mining, processing, and refining capabilities it needs if it seeks to wean itself off foreign suppliers.

This month, Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz became the latest lawmaker to introduce legislation meant to jump-start a domestic rare-earth industry by offering juicy tax breaks for new projects—and especially large tax incentives for end consumers who source finished products from American suppliers. Other lawmakers, like Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, have pushed legislation of their own meant to spur U.S. development of rare earths.

The U.S. Defense Department, meanwhile, is trying to throw money at the problem, putting rare earths at the center of the annual defense acquisition bill three years in a row, with plans this year to massively increase existing Pentagon funding for rare-earth projects. All that comes after a drumbeat of Trump administration moves, from a 2017 executive order seeking to ensure supplies of critical minerals to a 2019 Commerce Department report suggesting ways to do so.


Mining The Future: A special report by FP Analytics details China’s control and influence in critical metals and minerals vital to global high-tech industry. Read here.

“It’s ripe for legislation,” said an advisor to Cruz, who says that kick-starting domestic demand for finished rare-earth products will percolate back up the supply chain and rejuvenate a U.S. industry that has basically evaporated since its world-leading days three decades ago.

The drive to decouple from China has been thrown into overdrive by the coronavirus pandemic and new calls from hawks in Washington to take a tougher approach to confronting Beijing’s rise as a global rival. Sen. Josh Hawley, a Missouri Republican, took to the Senate floor this week to rail against China’s economic imperialism and called for the United States to leave the World Trade Organization and create a brand-new global economic order.

Other lawmakers and Trump administration officials, starting with the president, are also increasingly leery of maintaining the kind of deep economic integration with China that has marked the last two decades.

“There’s this confluence of factors that really provided added momentum to the discussions on the Hill concerning security of supply [of rare earths],” said Jane Nakano, a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “It went on before COVID, but certainly there’s added momentum because of COVID.”

Gaining independence on rare earths has been the subject of on-again, off-again debates in U.S. defense circles since 2010, when China, the world’s leading supplier, briefly halted rare-earth exports during a dispute with Japan. If there’s so much urgency about building a U.S. supply chain, it’s not to make the materials needed for the next generation of smartphones, electric car batteries, or wind turbines—though all those things need high-end rare-earth products.

Rather, the Pentagon’s front-line weapons are all heavily reliant on precision-crafted rare-earth products and materials whose manufacture now is largely in the hands of China. Each F-35 fighter, for instance, needs 920 pounds of rare earths; each Virginia-class nuclear submarine requires 9,200 pounds. Tomahawk missiles, guidance systems, and jet engines all need different combinations of alloys and specialized products using some of the 17 different rare-earth elements.

If lawmakers, the Pentagon, and the White House are all now taking the rare-earth challenge seriously, why do they seem to be making little progress in tackling the issue?

Part of the problem is that a lot of the efforts so far, both in private sector and those with government funding, have focused simply on getting more rare-earth ores out of the ground in the United States. There are new rare-earth mines in different stages of early development in Alaska, Wyoming, and Texas, in addition to expansion underway at the one existing mine at Mountain Pass, California.

Another potential factor is the growing realization that China can’t continue to dominate the rare-earth market in perpetuity. This is not because of any legislation coming out of Washington that outmaneuvers Beijing but simply because China is taking steps to limit its breakneck production of the minerals, the mining of which leads to massive environmental damage.

“China has in its campaign to dominate the world splurged all its rare earths at bargain basement prices and has now ended up as a net importer of heavy rare earths,” said Christopher Eccleston, a mining strategist at the London-based financial advisory firm Hallgarten & Company. “It’s really quite a turnaround.”

In a 2019 study, Hallgarten projected that China would mine less than 50 percent of the world’s rare earths, compared with about 75 percent today, by the mid-2020s as it tightens restrictions on extracting its diminishing supplies.

Still, the critical bottleneck for the United States, and especially the defense sector, isn’t access to rare-earth ores, which are available from many countries all over the world, including deposits in Vietnam, Brazil, India, Australia, Canada, and Greenland. Rather, it’s that the rest of the value chain—processing those ores, refining them into metals, and turning that metal into advanced products like permanent magnets—is dominated by China.

“People get caught up on the resource end, and they don’t realize that China owns the metals and will continue to own that space,” said James Kennedy, the founder of ThREE Consulting, a rare-earth consultancy focused on security implications.

Some of the latest initiatives do seek to address part of those vulnerabilities, though even those measures have been ill-starred. The Pentagon said last month it would provide funding to both the project at Mountain Pass and for Australian firm Lynas to build processing facilities. But now both those programs appear to be on hold: Reuters reported that the Pentagon is halting the funding of those rare earth projects pending further investigation. It’s not clear if the holdup is due to the realization that Mountain Pass has minority Chinese ownership (and a Chinese monopoly on the mine’s output) or if the retreat is due to the realization that neither U.S. project is rich in the particular kind of heavy rare earths the military needs.

So far, all the steps taken fall short of rebuilding the full, mine-to-magnet kind of value chain that would be needed to ensure U.S. self-reliance of the critical materials.

“In the end, it does not matter how many rare-earth mines the United States opens. It does not matter if they are upgraded to produce mixed or separated oxides,” Kennedy said. “Nothing matters until we figure out how to overcome China’s control over metal production.”

Some of the latest plans—like Cruz’s new bill—do try to nudge the development of more domestic capacity at the high end of the value chain, by incentivizing manufacturers to use magnets and other advanced products made in the United States. But using traditional tools like tax credits to fix a problem caused by China’s state-mandated dominance of an entire industry is likely doomed to fail, Kennedy said.

“Tax incentives are only good if you see profitability,” he said, a rare event in an industry plagued by high costs, razor-thin margins, and serial bankruptcies. U.S. lawmakers’ proposals, he said, have “a market solution for a non-market problem.”

That’s a point that Kennedy, Hammond, and many other rare-earth experts repeatedly make: Given China’s state-mandated dominance of the niche rare-earth industry, it basically controls pricing and ensures that normal economic rules don’t apply. That makes it hard to respond to China’s current dominance by turning to market-based solutions, like urging mining companies to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into big upfront investments that could be rendered uneconomical with a single decision in Beijing.

“Let’s see: uncertain demand, uncertain price, uncertain technology—yeah, let me get my checkbook out,” Hammond said.

To make sure the United States can rebuild the full range of rare-earth capabilities—from mining to processing to making the advanced final products—Hammond and others think it’s time for the Trump administration to turn its penchant for state capitalism to one sector that could actually use it. That would entail bypassing the dicey market economics of rare-earth mining and processing altogether and doing something like creating a government entity that could just underwrite the entire process in the name of national security.

“This is a critical defense issue, like the shipyards in the Second World War,” Hammond said. “Rare earths lends itself to a state capitalist solution more than just about anything.”
 
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Banning someone from buying their product of course will expense the banner, it not only applied on China rare earth material vendors, but also US chip vendor when US ban Huawei/ZTE.

But banning US from REM can buy China time to catch or even leapfrog US technology, because it will disrupt US tech supply chain sometimes then slowing down their development progress. Hopefully by the time US can be independent from China's REM vendor, China will be also independent from US tech. Of course China must hurry, because it will be a race between arrivals of China independence vs US independence, whoever come first will be the winner.

Barrier of REM is not only about the mining/raw material source, but the processing technology that China has mastered so far.
That's exactly what is going to happen to Intel arm & TSMC if they keep hindering Chinese supplies.
 
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Intel Halts Chip Supply to Leading Chinese Server-Maker


What’s new: U.S. chip giant Intel confirmed to Caixin that it has stopped supplying its products to Inspur, China’s largest maker of computer servers.

An Intel representative described the move as temporary and estimated the suspension would last for about two weeks. Intel took the step to allow the company time to make adjustments to comply with relevant U.S. laws, the person said.

Why is this happening: On June 25, Inspur was named by the U.S. Defense Department as one of 20 Chinese firms that were owned or controlled by the Chinese military. Others on the list included telecom equipment maker Huawei, and surveillance equipment maker Hikvision.

Potential impacts for companies included on the list were not immediately clear at its time of publication.

But the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump has aggressively blacklisted companies, including Huawei and Hikvision, to prevent them from getting American-made technology that many of their products rely on. Blacklisted companies cannot buy from their U.S. suppliers unless those suppliers get special licenses from Washington.

Quick Takes are condensed versions of China-related stories for fast news you can use. To read the full Caixin article in Chinese, click here.

https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-0...o-leading-chinese-server-maker-101574409.html
Just wait for more months. Europe will rise. USA will be taken with surprise.
 
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You dont understand? :lol:

OK, let me simplify, and explain you step by step so that you could understand.

As it is written in your own source:
As mentioned, China has dominated rare earths production for a number of years. In 2019, its domestic output of 132,000 MT was up from 120,000 MT the previous year.
https://investingnews.com/daily/res...rth-investing/rare-earth-producing-countries/

Do you agree that China's banning REM will certainly disrupt REM supply chain?

You've made a very good point, I found it simple to understand.
 
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hmm this is becoming a merry go round

[In the event of a longer Chinese supply interruption, the U.S. rare earths mine at Mountain Pass, Calif., would likely become the first place to step up production, Gholz explains. The mine's previous owner, Molycorp, spent approximately $1.5 billion building a new separation facility for producing rare earth concentrates. It did not, however, complete the downstream processing needed to produce purified rare earth materials before the company went bankrupt in 2015 because of Chinese competition. The mine's new owner, MP Materials, plans to reactivate and complete the mothballed facility for fresh operation starting in 2020.

Another alternative is Australian company Lynas Corp.]

[Beyond existing mines, companies that dig for other resources might start extracting rare earth elements from deposits of different materials. For example, the U.S. could someday obtain these elements as byproducts from power plant coal ash and coal mining waste. And radioactive material mixed in with ores could end up being positive: If thorium-based nuclear plants prove viable, expanded thorium mining would also turn up usable rare earth minerals. Researchers have even begun investigating a large concentration of rare earth elements in deep-sea mud from an ocean floor deposit near Japan.]

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With China threatening to weaponize its advantage when it comes to rare earth elements, more companies may invest in innovations that could replace these materials with something else. Gholz points to a 2010 incident in which China temporarily cut off Japan from its supply of rare earth elements. Afterward, Japanese automakers such as Toyota and Honda began developing hybrid car motors that greatly reduced or even eliminated rare earth elements, such as terbium and dysprosium, from the powerful magnets used in electric motors.

During the 2010 supply scare, other large industries that used rare earth elements also discovered they could do without some of them. Oil refinery operators temporarily stopped using the rare earth element lanthanum, which improves oil refining efficiency, when the price went up. The glassmaking industry largely abandoned using the rare earth element cerium for polishing. Although industries related to national security would be unable to entirely forgo rare earth minerals, Gholz thinks the U.S. military's demand could be "easily satisfied by non-Chinese production" because this need represents less than 5 percent of the total market.]


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dont-panic-about-rare-earth-elements/


there's a reason why pr china hasn't banned rare earths yet to the US, first they know it's not that's insignificant and second it will spur the industry in the US back, something that china really didn't want to.


You dont get my appoint. It is not about other vendors can or can't supply REM to replace what China ban, but "how fast?". Of course I believe if China ban, finally US consumer can find alternatives to suffice their demant; but if it take times, then the time will benefit China to catch or leapfrog.
 
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You dont get my appoint. It is not about other vendors can or can't supply REM to replace what China ban, but "how fast?". Of course I believe if China ban, finally US consumer can find alternatives to suffice their demant; but if it take times, then the time will benefit China to catch or leapfrog.

He thinks along that time, Chinese only sleeping and not moving forward
 
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Chinese tech companies rely on western tech. You need to cooperate with East and West. Nobody can survive alone. With aggressive politics you alienate friends and foes. Without western input Chinese tech companies will hit a dead end, have no future.


Unlike Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China should be fully independent; because majority of western tech are subject to US control; and history show China is prone to be embargoed or banned by the world power because China is threat that they can't control.

China could afford being fully independent since China is the biggest market with 1.4 billion population exceeding US + whole Europe + Japan + Korea combined.
 
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Unlike Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China should be fully independent; because majority of western tech are subject to US control; and history show China is prone to be embargoed or banned by the world power because China is threat that they can't control.

China could afford being fully independent since China is the biggest market with 1.4 billion population exceeding US + whole Europe + Japan + Korea combined.
You are surprised some people see you as threat?
 
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You are surprised some people see you as threat?

You mean China? Nope.

If you understand what Napoleon said centuries ago: "China is a sleeping giant, let her sleep when she wake she will move the world". Then you will realize why world powers sees China as potential threat. That is why western world and japan have tried to divide china century ago :)
 
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Chinese tech companies rely on western tech. You need to cooperate with East and West. Nobody can survive alone. With aggressive politics you alienate friends and foes. Without western input Chinese tech companies will hit a dead end, have no future.
I think China will only avoid relying on five-eye countries and their tightly controlled puppets.
I expect more corporation will happen with EU and Russia in future.
 
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China always has the money and tech know how to go chip independent, the issue is that it's expensive so many private Chinese companies just buy the cheap option.
 
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