Integration of Balochistan into Pakistan

[syedali73]

sir to be very frank insurgency is not at that level as TTP,that's why our coward baby killer enemies drew full support from those terrorist only they support them today to cause continue diversion and headache...

No it is not and only if Musharraf had not killed Sardar Bugti (or provoked him to go into the mountains), things would have never come to a point where they were about a year ago. Thank God, situation has improved. And you know why it happened? Only because of that Captain who was alleged to rape Dr. Shazia at Sui gas field. I am in no position to say whether Captain Hammad was involved or innocent, but Musharraf did not have to intervene and let him prove his innocence in the court of law. Sometimes a mistake made in few seconds leads to punishment that lasts for decades to come.

 

[Sine Nomine]

No it is not and only if Musharraf had not killed Sardar Bugti (or provoked him to go into the mountains), things would have never come to a point where they were about a year ago. Thank God, situation has improved. And you know why it happened? Only because of that Captain who was alleged to rape Dr. Shazia at Sui gas field. I am in no position to say whether Captain Hammad was involved or innocent, but Musharraf did not have to intervene and let him prove his innocence in the court of law. Sometimes a mistake made in few seconds leads to punishment that lasts for decades to come.

Things have changed a lot,kiyani did a lot of work to control situation without use of bullet...

So it is true, Baluchistan is still not a province of Pakistan and there is a chance it can get its own independence. Is it also true there is a demand for plebiscite in Baluchistan so they can choose their own future as they are fed up by Pakistan as most of their funds are directed towards Punjabis?

With AFSPA in power in North-East and Jammu and Kashmir, you are not in position to ask other countries...

 

[unbiasedopinion]

With AFSPA in power in North-East and Jammu and Kashmir, you are not in position to ask other countries...

What? I have just asked a question? What wrong with you guys?? More over this thread is about Baluchistan, why are you trolling by bringing J&K and NE? Do you want to make this troll thread?

 

[syedali73]

What? I have just asked a question? What wrong with you guys?? More over this thread is about Baluchistan, why are you trolling by bringing J&K and NE? Do you want to make this troll thread?

You are flame-baiting and derailing the thread. You know all too well that unlike Kashmir, on which there are UN resolutions, Balochistan is the integral and undisputed part of Pakistan and no country lays claim on it.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

So it is true, Baluchistan is still not a province of Pakistan and there is a chance it can get its own independence. Is it also true there is a demand for plebiscite in Baluchistan so they can choose their own future as they are fed up by Pakistan as most of their funds are directed towards Punjabis?

Whats with the negative rating?

@WebMaster Can you ask the TT why this negative rating is given? This thread is about integrating Balochistan into Pakistan. As per the OP Baloochs do not consider themselves as part of mainstream Pakistan, i just asked how much validity is there in claims about Baloochs asking for plebiscite and I am given a negative rating. What do you think people discuss in defence forum? Even a straight question is given a negative rating...is this how negative ratings will be rewarded?

You are flame-baiting and derailing the thread. You know all too well that unlike Kashmir, on which there are UN resolutions, Balochistan is the integral and undisputed part of Pakistan and no country lays claim on it.

How do I know? I am not a History or political student. I am an IT guy... I just wanted to know about the Balooch issue. Why this is called defence forum when a negative point is awarded for a straight question, More over this thread is about Integration of Balochistan....Title says it all.. Why there is a title called integration when it is already integrated? Look at the content of the original post...its very clear they don't consider themselves as part of main stream...but i have not flamed any thing but asked simple question in very normal tone.

 

[syedali73]

Whats with the negative rating?

@WebMaster Can you ask the TT why this negative rating is given? This thread is about integrating Balochistan into Pakistan. As per the OP Baloochs do not consider themselves as part of mainstream Pakistan, i just asked how much validity is there in claims about Baloochs asking for plebiscite and I am given a negative rating. What do you think people discuss in defence forum? Even a straight question is given a negative rating...is this how negative ratings will be rewarded?

Do you care about negative rating? What is this?

Negative ratings are given by cowards to keep others silent. Braves are not afraid of criticism.

This nonsense alone is enough to give you a negative rating following every post that you make. @Slav Defence

How do I know? I am not a History or political student. I am an IT guy... I just wanted to know about the Balooch issue. Why this is called defence forum when a negative point is awarded for a straight question, More over this thread is about Integration of Balochistan....Title says it all.. Why there is a title called integration when it is already integrated? Look at the content of the original post...its very clear they don't consider themselves as part of main stream...but i have not flamed any thing but asked simple question in very normal tone.

Who are they? I am from Balochistan, and there no such crap is 'not considering the part of the mainstream'. You are posting non-sense based on the title alone. Did you bother to read the posts and reply to those posts?

 

[unbiasedopinion]

You are flame-baiting and derailing the thread. You know all too well that unlike Kashmir, on which there are UN resolutions, Balochistan is the integral and undisputed part of Pakistan and no country lays claim on it.

Also, where have I mentioned that some country claiming it as its own? Darn...Dude...you are thinking too much or you have lots of preconceived notion?

Do you care about negative rating? What is this:

Negative ratings are given by cowards to keep others silent. Braves are not afraid of criticism.

Yes, i have written it when sane members were TTs and they take straight question with dignity and answer them as well. Situation is changing since few weak hearts are promoted as TTs who have lots of baggage on their shoulders.

 

[mehul sharma]

You are flame-baiting and derailing the thread. You know all too well that unlike Kashmir, on which there are UN resolutions, Balochistan is the integral and undisputed part of Pakistan and no country lays claim on it.

Sir please stop involving Kashmir then we will not refrain our self as you suggested.Because laying claim doesn't make it disputed.If you are going in history about Kashmir then India still don't believe in division by religion so we can lay claims on Pakistan but as I said by claiming doesn't make Pakistan ours.Baluchistan is not claimed by any other country it is claimed by themselves so this is bigger problem as as far as I know. Pakistan don't have enough army to AFSPA.

 

[Kompromat]

Solution is simple, land reforms, education and urbanisation.

 

[syedali73]

Sir please stop involving Kashmir then we will not refrain our self as you suggested.Because laying claim doesn't make it disputed.If you are going in history about Kashmir then India still don't believe in division by religion so we can lay claims on Pakistan but as I said by claiming doesn't make Pakistan ours.Baluchistan is not claimed by any other country it is claimed by themselves so this is bigger problem as as far as I know. Pakistan don't have enough army to AFSPA.

Who cares about India? It was (division based on Hindu and Muslim majority areas) agreed upon between three parties, the British, the Muslim League, and the Congress. Kashmir was a Muslim majority state hence her people had to decide, a chance which was never given to the people of Kashmir by the occupation forces.

 

[Viper0011.]

Pakistan needs to have very clear objectives and principles towards complete integration of Baluchistan with Pakistan

1. We have to treat Balochis with utmost respect with total regard for Balochi life and property and give them more rights than we even give people in rest of the Pakistan so that they reciprocate our actions and feelings and have a sense of integration with Pakistan..

I am confused by this thread, you are making it sound like you purchased Baluchistan from Iran yesterday. Baluchistan is one of Pakistan's state and there should never be a doubt about its importance. You can't cut a leg or arm and function normally as a body, i.e. The Pakistan. So the thread's main topic is silly.

In fact, Baluchistan is going to be "the" state / province which will have the biggest contribution in taking Pakistan forward towards more modernization, the Gawader port, the trade route, etc, etc, ALL go through Baluchistan. So it's naive to question the importance of Baluchistan. There is a reason why Indian, Afghan and Iranian agencies are doing terrorism and violence in Baluchistan, because they don't want Baluchistan to grow and in turn, help grow Pakistan. The Gawader port by itself will make many Iranian ports with similar feasibility, useless, and will bring in billions of dollars every year into the Pakistani system.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

I am confused by this thread, you are making it sound like you purchased Baluchistan from Iran yesterday. Baluchistan is one of Pakistan's state and there should never be a doubt about its importance. You can't cut a leg or arm and function normally as a body, i.e. The Pakistan. So the thread's main topic is silly.

In fact, Baluchistan is going to be "the" state / province which will have the biggest contribution in taking Pakistan forward towards more modernization, the Gawader port, the trade route, etc, etc, ALL go through Baluchistan. So it's naive to question the importance of Baluchistan. There is a reason why Indian, Afghan and Iranian agencies are doing terrorism and violence in Baluchistan, because they don't want Baluchistan to grow and in turn, help grow Pakistan. The Gawader port by itself will make this any Iranian ports with similar feasibility, useless, and will bring in billions of dollars every year into the Pakistani system.

Thanks for bringing this up and this was the reason why asked my question. The OP opens a thread stating we need to let them feel as if they are living in independent country but then talks about integrating them. Why would you give your states feeling that they are independent country? Why not to let them live as they are part of single entity?

 

[Kompromat]

Biggest part of $52 billion dollar FDI injection will end up in Baluchistan.

 

[Viper0011.]

Thanks for bringing this up and this was the reason why asked my question. The OP opens a thread stating we need to let them feel as if they are living in independent country but then talks about integrating them. Why would you give your states feeling that they are independent country? Why not to let them live as they are part of single entity?

It is the weekend, so let's give OP a break. People drink, smoke and eat all kinds of crazy shiit over the weekend so expect funny stuff from people every once in a while

 

[syedali73]

Biggest part of $52 billion dollar FDI injection will end up in Baluchistan.

Horus, Balochistan's share in the NFC has already been increased to 9.09%. In 2007 alone, Balochistan received, you know much? Rs83 billion. Following the 18th amendment, and now that the nationalists are ruling Balochistan, not many grievances should be left. This year, Balochistan has received Rs82.3 billion.

"The law, called Distribution of Revenues and grants in-Aid Order, was promulgated in 2010 through a presidential order. The 7th NFC Award guarantees provinces’ share at 57.5% of net federal tax receipts. But Balochistan’s annual share has been guaranteed irrespective of tax collection by the Federal Board of Revenue.

The transfers this year were 12.7%, or Rs82.3 billion, higher than the same period last year. Provincial governments rely on federal transfers for over 90% of their total budgets, so Islamabad’s failure to disburse the full amounts often causes severe financial pain in the provinces."

NFC Award: Centre short-changes provinces on revenue – The Express Tribune