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[Han Patriot]

As if you know basics of logic. Come back when you know anything beyond first order logic. Till then, Ta, my Cheenee friend!

You didn't answer not refute my argument mate, you just gave some stupid excuse when you can't argue anymore. Lolol. Good luck, rotating for the next 3 years numb numb. And let your harbour queen rust in the port.

 

[Han Patriot]

Your argument is so stupid that it does not even deserve an answer. They say its self-defeating to wrestle with Cheenee Pig in a mud-fight. Even though the Cheenee Pig will get all covered in mud, it will enjoy it.

So still didn't explain to me how flying VTOL Harriers are relevant to flying STOBAR Migs. Lolol

 

[HydraChess]

So still didn't explain to me how flying VTOL Harriers are relevant to flying STOBAR Migs. Lolol

If you do not know that there is more to carrier operations and tactics than just landing and take off, then I guess I cann't help you.

By that logic, UK should have lost ALL their experience in carrier operations when they chose Harriers in 1967 and should have started from zero even though they have been operating carriers since 1914?

 

[Han Patriot]

If you do not know that there is more to carrier operations and tactics than just landing and take off, then I guess I cann't help you.

By that logic, UK should have lost ALL their experience in carrier operations when they chose Harriers in 1967 and should have started from zero even though they have been operating carriers since 1914?

Thats why the need for constant trainings genius. Experience does not accumulate incrementally, else you would have the 200 year old US navy wooden ship experience being counted in and then what? Experience change with change of technology and operational doctrine. How can you compare WW2 junk to modern carriers? You mean pilots don't retire? OPS people don't retire? The only experience accumulation is training regime and operation doctrine, the others need constant training and upgrade.

From your statement, it seems you don't know the difference between VTOL and STOBAR. STOBAR has very high skillset requirements compared to VTOL and demands more trainings to avoid accidents. Hence the reason why Chinese pilots train like crazy both onshore and offshore.

Now. Instead of seeing the current situation as a predicament, you are creating excuses to justify this dire situation. This is the typical Indian attitude of trying to save face. You know deep down, the Russians sold you junk, and the maintenance is shit by the Indian Navy. Add these two idiotic elements together, you get a harbour queen idling in the port for months. Lol

 

[HydraChess]

Thats why the need for constant trainings genius. Experience does not accumulate incrementally, else you would have the 200 year old US navy wooden ship experience being counted in and then what? Experience change with change of technology and operational doctrine. How can you compare WW2 junk to modern carriers? You mean pilots don't retire? OPS people don't retire? The only experience accumulation is training regime and operation doctrine, the others need constant training and upgrade.

From your statement, it seems you don't know the difference between VTOL and STOBAR. STOBAR has very high skillset requirements compared to VTOL and demands more trainings to avoid accidents. Hence the reason why Chinese pilots train like crazy both onshore and offshore.

Now. Instead of seeing the current situation as a predicament, you are creating excuses to justify this dire situation. This is the typical Indian attitude of trying to save face. You know deep down, the Russians sold you junk, and the maintenance is shit by the Indian Navy. Add these two idiotic elements together, you get a harbour queen idling in the port for months. Lol

Oh wonderful! Lets see! France operates its lone carrier Charles de Gaulle (CATOBAR, so it also has arrested recovery) which underwent an extensive refit in 2007 for 15 months. Sure as hell French aviators and deck operators must have all forgotten arrested landing techniques that they spent so long to master, right?

Also, when it went for another refit in 2017. This time for 18 months. Sure as hell same mess must have happened?

Sure as hell it is to be called a Harbor Queen? Right Mr. Cheenee?

French must be terrible in carrier operation and need Cheenee consultation on that. From Admiral Han-The-Liar LOL!

Chinese have developed this weird thinking that they only know anything and everything. Its stupid and unhealthy but then if your enemy is making mistake, don't stop them.

 

[Han Patriot]

Oh wonderful! Lets see! France operates its lone carrier Charles de Gaulle (CATOBAR, so it also has arrested recovery) which underwent an extensive refit in 2007 for 15 months. Sure as hell French aviators and deck operators must have all forgotten arrested landing techniques that they spent so long to master, right?

Also, when it went for another refit in 2017. This time for 18 months. Sure as hell same mess must have happened?

Sure as hell it is to be called a Harbor Queen? Right Mr. Cheenee?

French must be terrible in carrier operation and need Cheenee consultation on that. From Admiral Han-The-Liar LOL!

Chinese have developed this weird thinking that they only know anything and everything. Its stupid and unhealthy but then if your enemy is making mistake, don't stop them.

CDG is a nuclear carrier, Hahahahah....i.am sure you don't know the routine maintenance required right? Can you check how long and how many times was CDG idling compared to Vikramaditya? Then you will see how stupid you sound. Lol. CDG is also the infamous carrier plagued with problems and you are using them as example? Why don't you compare with the USN?

So you are telling me in 15 months, CDG pilots did not train at all and were paid? And you telling me its okay to not sail for a year plus and your pilots are still tip top? And experience accumulation I am. Talking about is the 50 year old. Expericne you bragged about flying VTOL aircraft on a WW2 era junk. I am sure a year of onshore training is still relevant for CDG pilots but routinely sitting onshore while not sailing, are you telling me your pilots are tip top? And btw, what's the point of. Having a carrier of you are gonna be a harbour queen? Lolol

 

[HydraChess]

So you are telling me in 15 months, CDG pilots did not train at all and were paid? And you telling me its okay to not sail for a year plus and your pilots are still tip top? And experience accumulation I am. Talking about is the 50 year old. Expericne you bragged about flying VTOL aircraft on a WW2 era junk. I am sure a year of onshore training is still relevant for CDG pilots but routinely sitting onshore while not sailing, are you telling me your pilots are tip top? And btw, what's the point of. Having a carrier of you are gonna be a harbour queen? Lolol

You tell me, are you claiming to know more than french navy? Somehow this all works for french and it will not for India. Weird thinking but then its Cheenee so I don't know.

Also since you are so worried Indian aviators and deck operators practicing STOBAR operations, let me introduce you to INS-Hansa. Here is STOBAR operations at INS-Hansa which is routinely used to train pilots and deck operators in STOBAR operations.

So yeah, we can certainly keep our pilots in very top form even when our carrier is under refit or not on an underway.

 

[Han Patriot]

You tell me, are you claiming to know more than french navy?

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Yes I think I know more than you. They are flying catobar planes, if they are flying STOBAR and with those kinda problems, I would say Chinese pilots are better.

Are you comparing yourself to a carrier with a snapped propeller? Lololol. No wonder you are buying rafale. Takes an idiot to know an. Idiot.

 

[Dungeness]

In the work place, the only time people talk about their "experience" is when they are getting fired or fail to get the promotion, as they have nothing else worthwhile to show.

Just because you owned a PC since 80's, it says nothing about your current computer skills. Don't know what to argue about.

 

[HydraChess]

Yes I think I know more than you. They are flying catobar planes, if they are flying STOBAR and with those kinda problems, I would say Chinese pilots are better.

Are you comparing yourself to a carrier with a snapped propeller? Lololol. No wonder you are buying fafale.

Pffft! Look a country that operates a floating casino for a carrier is now being compared with one that operates a nuclear carrier. BTW, Laioling's first test resulted in a electric failure so severe that entire lights went out on the casino. Terrible!

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/10/22/chinas_aircraft_carrier_trouble_spewing_steam_and_losing_power_107506.html

And yeah Rafale is better than anything Chinese can produce even in 50 years.

In the work place, the only time people talk about their "experience" is when they are getting fired or fail to get the promotion, as they have nothing else worthwhile to show.

Well, in most work places, experience does not put your life on line. You lie about your experience on a carrier deck, very likely you will end up dead. Lastly, I don't know if there are multiple employers in terms of Navy aviators. Atleast India has just one Navy. Am I to believe that China has more than one navy?

Just because you owned a PC since 80's, it says nothing about your current computer skills. Don't know what to argue about.

Oh? I am sure you can tell that to RMS that he does not have "current computer skills". He will laugh at you and then pwn you for being a stupid slob.

BTW, Do you know what powers MacOS? And in which year it was written or designed? Or what powers Linux and in which year it was designed? Checkout when POSIX was drafted first. Or for instance when was the specification of NTFS written. Or when the specification of HTTP (the very thing that powers most of web) written?

Barely underneath shiney UI, OS/Processors are WAY similar to their cousins from 80s and 90s. A person with experience with computers from 80s will have a massive advantage over another who has just started to use one in 2018.

You are too green to even know the basics.

 

[Dungeness]

Well, in most work places, experience does not put your life on line. You lie about your experience on a carrier deck, very likely you will end up dead. Lastly, I don't know if there are multiple employers in terms of Navy aviators. Atleast India has just one Navy. Am I to believe that China has more than one navy?

Do you know why India is in such sorry state of affair today, and shrunken to 1/6 of China's size despite enjoying a head start? It's because there are too many Indians like you talking shit like this all day long and doing nothing else to help.

 

[HydraChess]

Do you know why India is in such sorry state of affair today, and shrunken to 1/6 of China's size despite enjoying a head start? It's because there are too many Indians like you talking shit like this all day long and doing nothing else to help.

*Ahem* India has NOT shrunken. China DID grow much much faster economically, no doubt about it. It does not make Indian economy shrink.

Also India never had any major head start.

GDP per capita (in 1990 Geary-Khamis dollars)) Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_india_gdp.jpg

 

[Han Patriot]

Pffft! Look a country that operates a floating casino for a carrier is now being compared with one that operates a nuclear carrier. BTW, Laioling's first test resulted in a electric failure so severe that entire lights went out on the casino. Terrible!

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/10/22/chinas_aircraft_carrier_trouble_spewing_steam_and_losing_power_107506.html

And yeah Rafale is better than anything Chinese can produce even in 50 years.


Well, in most work places, experience does not put your life on line. You lie about your experience on a carrier deck, very likely you will end up dead. Lastly, I don't know if there are multiple employers in terms of Navy aviators. Atleast India has just one Navy. Am I to believe that China has more than one navy?


Oh? I am sure you can tell that to RMS that he does not have "current computer skills". He will laugh at you and then pwn you for being a stupid slob.

BTW, Do you know what powers MacOS? And in which year it was written or designed? Or what powers Linux and in which year it was designed? Checkout when POSIX was drafted first. Or for instance when was the specification of NTFS written. Or when the specification of HTTP (the very thing that powers most of web) written?

Barely underneath shiney UI, OS/Processors are WAY similar to their cousins from 80s and 90s. A person with experience with computers from 80s will have a massive advantage over another who has just started to use one in 2018.

You are too green to even know the basics.

Let me get it straight a power failing Liaoning has more uptime and operations than your carrier? Hahahahaha dude. Seriously you sound so stupid.

 

[HydraChess]

Let me get it straight a power failing Liaoning has more uptime and operations than your carrier? Hahahahaha dude. Seriously you sound so stupid.

Actually, no. Your carrier, which entered in service in 2013 did not even become combat ready till 2018-19. So yeah for those 5 years it was just a harbour queen occasionally being moved here and there on the pretext of trainings. It required a major refit (EVEN before entering combat duties) for it to become combat ready.

This is the reason why your Navy has to post so many pictures to look as if it is doing something. In reality it was a Casino only.

Need more validation? Your carriers have never participated in any exercise with any other navy -- Even Russia or Pakistan. Sure as hell they are worried what others will find about your carriers.

 

[Han Patriot]

Actually, no. Your carrier, which entered in service in 2013 did not even become combat ready till 2018-19. So yeah for those 5 years it was just a harbour queen occasionally being moved here and there on the pretext of trainings. It required a major refit (EVEN before entering combat duties) for it to become combat ready.

This is the reason why your Navy has to post so many pictures to look as if it is doing something. In reality it was a Casino only.

Need more validation? Your carriers have never participated in any exercise with any other navy -- Even Russia or Pakistan. Sure as hell they are worried what others will find about your carriers.

So can you show me the data on its operations? Lolol. Since when did it became a casino? We bought it to study and refurbish it ourselves, tahts why we didn't get scammed 3bil dollars.

And do you know how many sortie trainings we performed there. Its a training ship for 5 years,hell it probably was more active than even before it became a combat ship.