INS Sindurakshak: Indian Navy mulls over roping in Singapore firm for salva

[Imran Khan]

Submarines have independent sealed compartments that can be isolate if damaged. So I guess they are trying to pump out water from parts that are still undamaged.

i visited agusta-90 and main area is very big and wide 3 floors have no water locks

 

[third eye]

Speaking from someone whose country can't even salvage a ship in 10 feet of water.

Answer the Q.

Is blowing up a submarine / ship your idea of salvage ?

Since you obviously dont know let me suggest something.

In accidents like these the first thing to know is why it happened . If you blow up the vessel what will be left to chack from ? Areas hitherto dry will also get flooded.

Lastly, there may be torpedoes in the vessel , would you like to blow up the vessel with live torps in it ?

 

[Black Eagle 90]

Unable to get any breakthrough in salvaging the ill-fated submarine INS Sindurakshak, the Indian Navy is considering taking assistance of a Singapore-based company to salvage the vessel.

After two massive explosions, the submarine is nosed down in the three meters of waters in naval dockyards and it has to be extracted.

A top naval source told dna that Indian Navy has come to the conclusion that salvaging its frontline submarine is seems to be beyond their available capabilities. And the process of salvaging the ship would take considerable amount of time.

“Under the present situation, we may not be having the capability to salvage it. We have to create buoyancy in the deep sea to salvage the submarine. For that, we require help of professionals. The name of a Singapore-based professional firm has come for the consideration and we may hire it for the job,” a naval source told dna.

Tuesday’s accident has also triggered an exhaustive review of safety mechanism for on-board on submarines. And questions have been raised over the Indian Navy’s failure to acquire deep submergence rescue vehicle. According to the naval sources, they have been in the process of acquiring it for long.

The Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle used for rescue of downed submarines and other clandestine missions.

However, the Indian Navy has an agreement with the United States navy in case of similar accident in the high sea, to rescue stranded sailors on board, the later has the capability.

The US navy has acquired such deep submergence rescue vehicles. But in case of INS Sindurakshak, as the accident happened on dockyard, not in the high sea, the pact does not apply here.

Meanwhile, the navy would also ask the Russians to join its probe, the submarine had returned only on 29 April this year after mid-life refurbishment from Russia after over two years.


INS Sindurakshak: Indian Navy mulls over roping in Singapore firm for salvage - India - DNA

A big shame for the Indians who always say they have all the capabilities and the submarine has sunk in the dockyard which has all the machinery and they are not able to move an inch of it. Also they might have some welders too...

Also what will happen to the rest of the 9 Submarines will be going to Russia for refit or will go for scrap...

dear it was blasted how can pump out water from a broken sub ?

Latest news,,4 bodies recovered,

Yes they are facing problems ,,,dont know they might have drilled,,,in news u can see they are pumping the water,,

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New Delhi: Naval divers this morning found the bodies of three of 18 sailors who were inside the INS Sindhurakshak when a fire and multiple explosions sank the diesel-powered submarine.

The Navy has said finding any more survivors in the submarine is unlikely.

"The state of these two bodies and conditions within the submarine leads to firm conclusion that finding any surviving personnel within the submarine is unlikely," said a Navy statement.

"The damage and destruction within the submarine around the control room area indicates that the feasibility of locating bodies of personnel in the forward part of the submarine is also very remote as the explosion and very high temperatures, which melted steel within, would have incinerated the bodies too," the Navy said.

The Russian-built INS Sindhurakshak sank on Tuesday night following two big explosions in what was the biggest loss for the navy in four decades.

Divers entered the submarine on Wednesday evening, but their search for signs of survivors was near impossible. The dark, muddy water meant there is poor visibility, and because of the heat of the weapons that blew up, some hatches were melted shut.

But the Navy says it will continue its search.

"Eighteen brave sailors are feared to have lost their lives," Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in his Independence Day speech on Thursday at the Red Fort in Delhi. "We pay homage to these brave hearts we have lost."

The navy says heavy duty pumps are being used to pump out water that flooded into the submarine after the explosions.

Because the submarine was docked, navy watchmen were on the submarine rather than the normal crew, Admiral DK Joshi, the navy chief, told reporters on Wednesday in Mumbai. At least some weaponry exploded in the near-simultaneous blasts, he added.

A video of the explosions filmed by bystanders showed an enormous ball of red and yellow fire rising hundreds of feet into the air.

Navy spokesman Narendra Vispute said the cause of the explosions was being investigated.

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[GR!FF!N]

Indian incompetency is beyond belief. The ship is in 10-feet of water, right next to the dockyard. Why can't you salvage it? Blow it up, drill it open, cut it through. How hard can it be?

well,if you are interested,we can sent you to do that..atleast,one troll will be less in this forum..you want to blow a torpedo and missile filled submarine which is in the dock to blow up???I mean,HELL....you should be at asylum right now...coz next thing you'll want is to "Salvage" Gas Cylinder with Gas cutter...

 

[surya kiran]

Could somebody explain the process for salvage? @Capt.Popeye @Penguin

 

[GR!FF!N]

MUMBAI: Hopes of a miracle to find alive naval personnel trapped inside sunken INS Sindhurakshak seemed to be fading with rescuers pulling out four badly disfigured bodies from the Navy's frontline submarine on Friday.

More than two days after serial explosions on the vessel, carrying 18 naval personnel, triggered a massive blaze, naval divers have extricated four "severely disfigured" bodies since Friday morning, a defence spokesman said.

The bodies, according to spokesman Narendra Vispute, are so badly charred that on-the-spot identification was not possible.

The bodies have been shifted to naval hospital INS Ashwini for DNA profiling to facilitate identification.

"Miracles do happen....There may be some air pocket or some may have got access to breathing sacks," Navy Chief Admiral D K Joshi had said after inspecting the site of the disaster along with defence minister A K Antony on Wednesday.

However, a Navy release on Friday morning painted a grim picture about the possibility of finding any survivors inside the Russia-made underwater craft which sank partially after exploding.

"The damage and the destruction within the submarine around the control room area indicate that the feasibility of locating bodies of the personnel in the forward part of the submarine is also very remote as the explosion and very high temperatures, which melted steel within, would have incinerated the bodies too," it said.


Hopes of miracle fade, 4 bodies pulled out of INS Sindhurakshak - The Times of India

also read this..

http://www.firstpost.com/india/full...sindhurakshak-salvage-operations-1038073.html

 

[GR!FF!N]

Could somebody explain the process for salvage? @Capt.Popeye @Penguin

you may read about Kursk Salvage operation...it'll give you some idea..


Most of the submarine's hull, except the bow, was raised from the ocean floor by the Dutch marine salvage companies Smit International and Mammoet in late 2001 and towed back to the Russian Navy's Roslyakovo Shipyard.[1] The front section was cut off because of concerns it could break off and destabilize the lifting.[11] It was cut off using a chain of drums covered with an abrasive, pulled back and forth between two hydraulic anchors dug into the seabed; the cutting took 10 days.[12] The remnants of the bow were destroyed by explosives in September 2002,[13] raising further concerns among the adherents of the conspiracy theory.
The bodies of the dead crew were removed from the wreck and buried in Russia – three of them were unidentifiable because they were so badly burned. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree awarding the Order of Courage to all of the crew and the title Hero of the Russian Federation to the submarine's captain, Gennady Lyachin.[14]
The first five fragments to be raised were a piece of a torpedo tube weighing about a ton (to ascertain if the explosion occurred inside or outside), a high-pressure compressed air cylinder weighing about half a ton (also to ascertain the nature of the explosion), part of the cylindrical section of the hard frame and part of the left forward spherical partition to determine the intensity and temperature of the fire in the forward compartment, and a fragment of the SONAR system dome.[15]
The presence of explosives in the unexploded torpedoes (about 225 kg TNT equivalent each) and especially in the 23 SS-N-19 "Shipwreck" cruise missiles aboard (about 760 kg each, plus about 7 kg TNT equivalent of the silo ejection charge), together with the risk of radiation release from the reactors, presented a unique set of challenges to the salvage teams.

also this.....

Krylov Shipbuilding Research Institute. News.SSN KURSK

 

[Nadaan Parinda]

What a tragedy, goes to show how incompetent Indian Navy is, they are busy swapping wives and making merry while their ships are exploding like powder kegs

 

[LTE-TDD]

what you could expect from India? Are you real think they are the world 5th country can build carrier?

 

[GR!FF!N]

What a tragedy, goes to show how incompetent Indian Navy is, they are busy swapping wives and making merry while their ships are exploding like powder kegs

welcome to lets learn how to post and contribute something here,not practicing Rant..you surely have wife or Girlfriend for that purpose...and FYI,accidents happen anywhere..hell,most Sub accidents record holders are USA and Russia..the proximity of their "Incompetence"(in your words) are astonishing then..

what you could expect from India? Are you real think they are the world 5th country can build carrier?

nope..we imported it from China...they've many floating casinos around..lets not troll here or I'll have to post Chinese sub accidents..that'll not go well with you guys..

 

[Nadaan Parinda]

welcome to lets learn how to post and contribute something here,not practicing Rant..you surely have wife or Girlfriend for that purpose...and FYI,accidents happen anywhere..hell,most Sub accidents record holders are USA and Russia..the proximity of their "Incompetence"(in your words) are astonishing then..

I think this is a case of incompetence and gross negligence. Indian naval men seem to busy in other off the field escapades

 

[GR!FF!N]

I think this is a case of incompetence and gross negligence. Indian naval men seem to busy in other off the field escapades

yeah??then we should make our Navy Chief then..sure you have much more experience and dedication than our Naval officers then..

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

yes it is surprising that we are not able to deal with submarine sunk in shallow water right under our nose . what will happen in case of bigger submarines ...if they meet such accident at deep sea ?

probably no one should have thought that it will sink in shallow water

 

[Indo-guy]

What a tragedy, goes to show how incompetent Indian Navy is, they are busy swapping wives and making merry while their ships are exploding like powder kegs

Shows your insensitivity towards our Navy . How can you connect these two different issues ? You sound like sadist . Even our Pakistani and Chinese friends here have not said anything nasty like that .

Have to give credit to them for maintaining sanctity of discussion over this tragedy !

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Could somebody explain the process for salvage? @Capt.Popeye @Penguin

The initial action will be to divide and seal the remaining undamaged portion(s) of the submarine into watertight compartments. Then these W/T compartments will be progressively de-watered, i.e. the water in them will be pumped out; thus restoring some amount of buoyancy and allowing the hull to re-float. Then this part of the sub will be supported by surface salvage ships/tugs and even by a floating crane if required. The hull then can be floated out of its present location to a another one; where the next stage will be undertaken.
Depending on the nature and extent of the damage; a call will be taken on whether to undertake repairs or dispose off the hull. If repairs are to be undertaken; then the hull will be taken to a Dry-Dock where the work will take place.
One very important thing that needs to be ascertained and confirmed: viz. is there any unexploded ordnance remaining inside the hull. If there is; then it needs to be rendered safe or safely disposed off. That is critical. Nobody will look forward to subsequent explosions while salvage operations are underway.

That in short, is how the next part of the salvage and recovery operations will go.

What a tragedy, goes to show how incompetent Indian Navy is, they are busy swapping wives and making merry while their ships are exploding like powder kegs

And you have just worked to convince us of your stupidity.............