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New Delhi: In a bid to surpass competition from China and other countries keen to be part of the first bullet train project, Japan has offered financial support besides technology for India’s ambitious rail project.

Japan has offered to finance Mumbai-Ahmedabad high speed rail corridor estimated to cost about Rs 90,000 crore at an interest rate of less than one per cent, sources in Railway Ministry said.


Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) in its report submitted to the Railway Ministry has envisaged a reduction in the travel time on the 505-km long corridor between the two western cities to two hours from the existing period of over seven hours.


The bullet train is expected to run at speeds of around 300-350 km/hour.

Though there are many countries offering the high-speed technology for the bullet train project, it is Japan which is offering both technology and funding together, they said. However, they said, a decision on the project is yet to be taken by Railways because it will be decided at the highest level in the government.

The JICA team had presented the report in July to the joint monitoring team here where a detailed presentation was made on traffic forecasting, alignment surveys and comparative study of high-speed railway technology.

According to officials involved in the high-speed rail corridor project, Japan has offered to meet 80 per cent of the Mumbai-Ahmedabad project cost, on condition that India buys 30 per cent of equipment including the coaches and locomotives from Japanese firms.
 
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Japan’s decision to give virtually free finance for Modi's pet programme is part of its broader push back against China's involvement in infrastructure development in South Asia over the past several years

Mumbai to Ahmedabad in 2 hours

  • Japan's International Cooperation Agency has assessed the feasibility of building the 505-km corridor linking Mumbai with Ahmedabad
  • It concluded that the project is technically and financially viable and said the journey time between Mumbai and Ahmedabad would be cut to two hours from seven
  • The route will require 11 new tunnels, including one undersea near Mumbai
Japan offers $15 bn for India’s first bullet train
 
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lol what ?

Its economic feasibility has to be proven first.

Do you have any data or Report that shows it ?

20% of 15 billion $ is 3 billion $. We have FAR greater priorities than building an white elephant with it.

This project is feasible ONLY if Japan funds the entire thing.
 
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Accha, let's take it immediately.
For the Indonesian project, Japan and China had a slug fest.

Japan offered 75% financing and China offered 100% financing. China won.

In our case, Japan has offered 80% financing. Let's wait for the Chinese proposal first.

Its economic feasibility has to be proven first.

Do you have any data or Report that shows it ?

20% of 15 billion $ is 3 billion $. We have FAR greater priorities than building an white elephant with it.

This project is feasible ONLY if Japan funds the entire thing.
It's not a white elephant. The Railways is getting modernized as well, its not an either/or choice.

That said, investment in transportation sector of India is one of the most pressing issues we face. Ultimately, the future of Railways is HSR only. We have to start building it now. We have to connect Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities of India with HSR.

Let us however wait for the Chinese proposal. since they offered 100% financing to Indonesia.
 
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It’s Official: China, Not Japan, Is Building Indonesia’s First High-Speed Railway | The Diplomat

It's Official: China, Not Japan, Is Building Indonesia's First High-Speed Railway
China’s offer to build the Jakarta-Bandung line without requiring funding from Indonesia was the tipping point.

After months of speculation, Indonesia has chosen China over Japan for a lucrative high-speed rail contract. The high-speed rail line, estimated to cost from $5-6 billion, will connect Jakarta and Bandung, the capital of West Java province. It will be Indonesia’s first high-speed railway.

Japan and China have been vying for the contract since Indonesia announced that China submitted a bid in April 2015, much to Japan’s dismay. Things took a strange turn in early September, however, when Indonesia scrapped the idea altogether. Minister Rizal Ramli said Jakarta had decided not to request a high-speed train at all, but a “medium-speed” one that allows for more stops along the route.

Ramli also said that the Indonesian government did not want to use any state funds for the project. According to Bloomberg, Japan’s bid was based on getting funding from Indonesia’s government and a low-interest loan offered by Japan; China offered to provide a loan and have Indonesian state-owned firms provide the remainder of the costs.

In the end, it appears it was the financing question that decided the issue in China’s favor. Indonesia’s National Development Planning Minister Sofyan Djalil told Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, that Indonesia’s wish to see the project completed under a business-to-business model (without any guarantee of funding from the state) precluded Japanese involvement. Japanese companies would not be able to meet that requirement.

“Japan’s business model and regulations have made it impossible [for Indonesia] to give a concession credit to Japanese companies,” Sofyan said, according to Indonesian media.

China, meanwhile, submitted a new proposal – still for a high-speed train – that would not require a funding guarantee from Jakarta. That proposal was accepted, winning China the contract. An Indonesian minister told the Wall Street Journal that a Chinese team is already in Jakarta and will break ground on the project by the end of the year. The railway is scheduled to begin operating in 2019.

China’s proposal, at an estimated $5.5 billion, was also significantly cheaper than Japan’s $6.2 billion bid.

China welcomed Indonesia’s choice, which meshes well both with Beijing’s call for Chinese companies to “go global” and for increased infrastructure investments from China along the planned “Belt and Road routes.”

“The Chinese side has a wealth of experience in building and operating high-speed railways and enjoys an edge in terms of cooperation model, financing conditions, technology transfer and construction period,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei explained in a press conference on Wednesday. “The Chinese side looks forward to deepening practical cooperation with Indonesia on infrastructure facilities and production capacity.”

Japan, predictably, was disappointed with the decision. Suga called the choice “extremely regrettable,” and cast doubt on the feasibility of completing the project as designed, on a purely business-to business level.

“It defies common wisdom” to undertake such a massive project without government funding, Suga said. “I doubt if it would be successful.”

Indonesia, meanwhile, sought to reassure Japan that its investments were still welcome on other projects. Sofyan told Suga that Indonesia would still welcome Japanese cooperation in building the Cilamaya port in West Java. Indonesia’s presidential chief of staff, Teten Masduki, also told reporters that Japan could still invest in another high-speed rail project linking Jakarta and the capital of East Java, Surabaya.
 
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best wish for japan to get this contract, and china should stay out of this.
 
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30 Percent offset is a reasonable condition. We can ask Japanese firms to invest in India.
This was one of the conditions for the Japanese financing of the Western DFIC (buying 15,000 horsepower freight trains from Japan), considering the Japanese are world leaders in this tech anyway it is a win-win situation.

It’s Official: China, Not Japan, Is Building Indonesia’s First High-Speed Railway | The Diplomat

It's Official: China, Not Japan, Is Building Indonesia's First High-Speed Railway
China’s offer to build the Jakarta-Bandung line without requiring funding from Indonesia was the tipping point.

After months of speculation, Indonesia has chosen China over Japan for a lucrative high-speed rail contract. The high-speed rail line, estimated to cost from $5-6 billion, will connect Jakarta and Bandung, the capital of West Java province. It will be Indonesia’s first high-speed railway.

Japan and China have been vying for the contract since Indonesia announced that China submitted a bid in April 2015, much to Japan’s dismay. Things took a strange turn in early September, however, when Indonesia scrapped the idea altogether. Minister Rizal Ramli said Jakarta had decided not to request a high-speed train at all, but a “medium-speed” one that allows for more stops along the route.

Ramli also said that the Indonesian government did not want to use any state funds for the project. According to Bloomberg, Japan’s bid was based on getting funding from Indonesia’s government and a low-interest loan offered by Japan; China offered to provide a loan and have Indonesian state-owned firms provide the remainder of the costs.

In the end, it appears it was the financing question that decided the issue in China’s favor. Indonesia’s National Development Planning Minister Sofyan Djalil told Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, that Indonesia’s wish to see the project completed under a business-to-business model (without any guarantee of funding from the state) precluded Japanese involvement. Japanese companies would not be able to meet that requirement.

“Japan’s business model and regulations have made it impossible [for Indonesia] to give a concession credit to Japanese companies,” Sofyan said, according to Indonesian media.

China, meanwhile, submitted a new proposal – still for a high-speed train – that would not require a funding guarantee from Jakarta. That proposal was accepted, winning China the contract. An Indonesian minister told the Wall Street Journal that a Chinese team is already in Jakarta and will break ground on the project by the end of the year. The railway is scheduled to begin operating in 2019.

China’s proposal, at an estimated $5.5 billion, was also significantly cheaper than Japan’s $6.2 billion bid.

China welcomed Indonesia’s choice, which meshes well both with Beijing’s call for Chinese companies to “go global” and for increased infrastructure investments from China along the planned “Belt and Road routes.”

“The Chinese side has a wealth of experience in building and operating high-speed railways and enjoys an edge in terms of cooperation model, financing conditions, technology transfer and construction period,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei explained in a press conference on Wednesday. “The Chinese side looks forward to deepening practical cooperation with Indonesia on infrastructure facilities and production capacity.”

Japan, predictably, was disappointed with the decision. Suga called the choice “extremely regrettable,” and cast doubt on the feasibility of completing the project as designed, on a purely business-to business level.

“It defies common wisdom” to undertake such a massive project without government funding, Suga said. “I doubt if it would be successful.”

Indonesia, meanwhile, sought to reassure Japan that its investments were still welcome on other projects. Sofyan told Suga that Indonesia would still welcome Japanese cooperation in building the Cilamaya port in West Java. Indonesia’s presidential chief of staff, Teten Masduki, also told reporters that Japan could still invest in another high-speed rail project linking Jakarta and the capital of East Java, Surabaya.
China will be kept away from critical infrastructure projects in India where possible.
 
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LOL....we already have rail network.

We are talking about a separate track for Bullet Train. It will not be part of the existing regular train network :cheesy:

Well that is also a mode of transport.
And the transport is underlined as critical infra.
 
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