INDUCTION OF LY–80 LOMADS IN PAKISTAN ARMY AIR DEFENCE: LEAP TOWARDS RANGE AND LETHALITY

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Ohh but then there's a second batch signed for in 2015. Also, defence systems are usually advertised about quite late in contrast with their availability to ally nations. Anyhow, hope we get those FD2000s or something similiar in the not so distant future.

The 70-km system wasn't disclosed until September 2016 - well after the PA began receiving its HQ-16s.

 

[Gryphon]

The 70-km system wasn't disclosed until September 2016 - well after the PA began receiving its HQ-16s.

First system was delivered in January 2017.

http://hilal.gov.pk/index.php/layou...-air-defence-leap-towards-range-and-lethality

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

First system was delivered in January 2017.

http://hilal.gov.pk/index.php/layou...-air-defence-leap-towards-range-and-lethality

My mistake, but those missiles were in production well after the HQ-16B was revealed.

 

[Gryphon]

My mistake, but those missiles were in production well after the HQ-16B was revealed.

Yes.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

so we have LY-80 now will we get the 70 KM Range version or B version??

 

[khanasifm]

The big question is will Navy follow Army to induct same LOMADS (LY-80) and will AF also, for AF SAPAD 2k is LOMADS, its not just range > 20km but altitude which for SPADA and LY80 is Medium Altitude above 25-30K feet

 

[Arsalan]

In theory, yes. But then again, anything is possible 'in theory'. Mr. Penguin explained it well enough in no. 11 .

But I will add with this: Why would you want or need to ?

This is a philosophical question. A long time ago in a US state far far away from where I am now, I had a senior Raytheon radar engineer for a mentor and this guy was big into the philosophical foundations of everything we do. He taught me how to think backwards -- forensically.

So for your question, we would have to ask 'Why would you want or need to ?' or better yet 'Why should you ?'

If you designed something to do X, there has to be a reason why you did it that way. Why you do something is motivated by your goal, situation, predicament, environment, resources, time, and consequence. The more you critically analyze each item and how it relate to the others, the more assured you will be of your final decision and that you made the appropriate decision.

Prior to missile release, a decision must have already been made about the target and the decision maker is the human. The human basically said: 'I want this thing destroyed.' So now the next question is: 'Should you allow any deviation from this decision ?'

If you answer to yourself 'No', then you will design your missile to be without the capability to change its target focus. Your missile will be simpler in design and manufacturing.

If you answer 'Yes', meaning you want to the option of deviation, now your missile must have more fuel because there is no way for you to know when you will need redirection. More fuel means the missile will be physically larger which may affect carriage, as in you may have to carry on the wing instead of fuselage.

Maybe you want a 'point of no return', meaning after launch and the missile is on the way, once the missile reached a certain distance threshold from the target, no deviation is allowed. So now you must design in interlock switches. For example, one interlock would be calculating the distance between launch point and target, then you must design a calculated halfway point of that distance where no re-targeting command is allowed.

As you can infer, a deviation or re-targeting allowance opened a can of technical worms making the missile more complex in many ways. The return on investment (ROI) is simply not there. So while it technically feasible to do so, it is not practical to do so.

Since we are talking "theory" here, please consider this.
Your long range AD radars notice an incoming enemy plane, let’s say an Su-35 and direct the air force fighters in the area toward that plane while alerting the SAM sites in the zone as well. The interceptor aircraft some 100 km way from the Su35 moves towards it and engages the aircraft while the forward same site which happens to be on path of Su also does the same at bit closer range.. Right at that moment, the ground based radar picks up another enemy plane at a much closer range, close to SAM site. It is a stealth plane that was picked up late. You want the fired SAM to be directed towards the Stealth aircraft that is clearly a threat to the SAM site while leave the Su35 for our interceptor while it firest more missiles to engage the stealth.

Lots of if's and but's there, lots of fancy imagination but still a rare possibility. Having the ability to redirect a fired missile will be quite beneficial i think.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I just wish we stop calling or referring the system as LY-80 and call it with the Chinese designation HQ-16B and it saves so much confusion

 

[khanasifm]

Latest specs Ly-80 or hq-16a janes.com/aad18By Christopher F FossChina Aerospace Long-March International is marketing two versions of its LY-80 medium-range air defence missile system, and scale models of both of these are being shown at AAD.The land-based LY-80 would typically consist of a command post vehicle and a vehicle fitted with long-range phased array search radar. This would control three fire units, with each of these having one guidance vehicle and two to four launchers with six missiles each.

When travelling, the missiles are in the horizontal position and when the launcher comes into action the hydraulic stabilisers are lowered to the ground and the launcher is elevated into the vertical position.

According to the prime contractor, the solid propellant missile can engage targets ata range of 3.5 to 50km, with interception altitude up to a maximum of 20km. ( more than 65k feet)

The missiles are cold launched and a single shot kill probability of between 0.9 and 0.95 is being claimed.

A complete LY-80 system can be deployed in 12 minutes and out of action time is about six minutes. Method of guidance is inertialnavigation plus update and mid- course guidance with intermittent target illuminating and semi-active radar homing for the final phase.
The naval version is designated the LY-80N, has similar capabilities and is also launched vertically, with each cell having eight missiles in the ready-to-launch position.

http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/740/63740/AAD2016-Day-2.pdf

 

[Super Falcon]

We don't have any single high altitude air defence system

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We don't have any single high altitude air defence system

We are in better shape then what we were few years back

 

[khanasifm]

Pak is third world country cannot afford what you are talking about only Russia perhaps china and USA has the true capability of intercontinental Missile d fence

 

[Readerdefence]

Pak is third world country cannot afford what you are talking about only Russia perhaps china and USA has the true capability of intercontinental Missile d fence

Hi can this missile hit its target specifically su30 & rafale i mean range wise
Thx in advance