Indradhanush 2015

[kurup]

Minus the MAD boom.

Magnetic anomaly detector

Indian P8I is equipped with MAD boom .

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Minus the MAD boom.

Magnetic anomaly detector

The aircraft also has CAE’s advanced integrated magnetic anomaly detection (MAD) System for searching submarines.

..:: India Strategic ::. Navy: Indian Navy gets its most sophisticated system yet in P8-I Maritime Aircraft

 

[Indian Patriot]

Typical Amateur Comment I Suspected From You Typical from Posters Like you who Jump into the battle Without Knowing Full Facts of the Issue

Useless rant by a useless troll. But that is you.

After reading Full Facts on the Detail Interview Conducted of IAF Air Marshall & Aircrew By Vishnu Som Who there At Indradhanush exercises.
Then Return To debate Further on this thread

What does a troll like you know anything about debate?

The IAF officials deputed to the exercise themselves refused to quantify the results and simply said the IAF put up a good effort. It is losers like you who live in a can that come to your own deluded conclusions.

We will have 350 SU 30 MKI s

270 is the limit for sukhoi 30 MKIIs. No official document or otherwise mentioned anything about 350 flankers.

At the end of the day, though, for the IAF, these exercises were about gauging the skill levels of its own pilots and the aircraft they operate. For the IAF, these exercises came as positive news on where they stand against some of the best of the West.

These kind of training exercises do not prove anything. When will fan boys like you understand this simple fact?

It does not mater if 1 typhoon shot down 12 flankers or 1 flanker shot down 12 typhoons. These results mean nothing in real life scenario. In real war the number of combat aircraft which are flight-worthy, number of pilots per aircraft, number of flight hours per pilot, number of AWACs, quality of AWACs, air bases, weapons, experience, individual skill, tactics and million other things count.

Training exercises of these kind are nothing more than another form of diplomatic venture.

NATO has been regularly involved in active combat. And baring the Flankers and Mirage no other aircraft in current IAF inventory even matches to western aircraft. And lets not even talk about pilot skill.

 

[Viper0011.]

The IAF officials deputed to the exercise themselves refused to quantify the results and simply said the IAF put up a good effort. It is losers like you who live in a can that come to your own deluded conclusions.

But that's not what your friends in the IAF and the media are saying. They are quoting the Group Captain (who did NOT say 12-0 victories or even that his men did "excellent"), and making a bigger deal out of it. Its actually VERY unprofessional to be honest.

Here are the ACTUAL details. IAF won firs two WVR's as the SU-30's were able to use Cobra and TVC to get behind the EFT's. The other two times, the SU's lost as the EFT's first fired WVR missiles, then allowed the SU's to use TVC and then re-acquired them at recovery and bam, it was a done deal. There is no hiding in the Clouds with energy already bled at recovery. That's the weakest part of any TVC jet, not just the SU-30.

Within larger formations (2 vs. 4, 4 vs. 4), the results were mixed. With two contested kills (locks obtained simultaneously in combat formation so its hard to tell who'd have been hit first and obviously, would lose the lock on the next jet). So if you minus the contested kills, SU's were over EFT"s by one kill. That's it.

Also, remember, NEITHER of the jets were using their actual radars, electronic jamming, recon and combat equipment to respect each others confidentiality around frequencies and all. All this was being done through the basic combat simulators. The reality may be VERY different in real ways than these results......then why the Indian media hype?????

 

[NKVD]

The IAF officials deputed to the exercise themselves refused to quantify the results and simply said the IAF put up a good effort. It is losers like you who live in a can that come to your own deluded conclusions.

Again you Jump the Gun Before Reading the Article
Desperately

In some of the most intense international air combat exercises ever featuring the Indian Air Force, IAF pilots flying Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

In an exclusive interview, Group Captain Ashu Srivastav, the Contingent Commander in the exercises, told NDTV that the performance of his pilots was "exceptional." According to Group Captain Srivastav, who happens to be the IAF's most experienced Su-30 pilot, his pilots showed "flexibility and adaptability to a new environment and operating conditions and on this benchmark, I would rate them exceptional."

In subsequent Large Force Exercises (LFE) which featured combined Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-30 formations, the IAF jets were somewhat less successful but consistently held an edge over the Typhoon.


Asked about the performance of IAF pilots in these Large Force Engagements(LFE), Group Captain Srivastav told NDTV his pilots performed "fairly well" though "quantifying [the results] is difficult".

Next time Don't Quote Me Before Posting Some Facts Rather Ranting Stuff.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Again you Jump the Gun Before Reading the Article
Desperately

Did any IAF official boast of a victory? YES or NO?

The official merely said it is difficult to quantify the results. Now are you educated enough to understand english or should I post in Hindi?

Next time Don't Quote Me Before Posting Some Facts Rather Ranting Stuff.

The irony of a demented troll talking about facts. Read your own facts before you end up looking like a fool.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Don't understand this claim.Didn't RAF chief last time boast 'they lost'?

 

[Indian Patriot]

But that's not what your friends in the IAF and the media are saying. They are quoting the Group Captain (who did NOT say 12-0 victories or even that his men did "excellent"), and making a bigger deal out of it. Its actually VERY unprofessional to be honest.

It is the media and some demented fan boys like this Indian troll who thinks otherwise. The officials said that it is difficult to quantify the results which is diplo-speak for saying the results were average. Any professional knows that these scores mean nothing in real life and are not an accurate estimate of a force's strength.

Here are the ACTUAL details. IAF won firs two WVR's as the SU-30's were able to use Cobra and TVC to get behind the EFT's. The other two times, the SU's lost as the EFT's first fired WVR missiles, then allowed the SU's to use TVC and then re-acquired them at recovery and bam, it was a done deal. There is no hiding in the Clouds with energy already bled at recovery. That's the weakest part of any TVC jet, not just the SU-30.

Within larger formations (2 vs. 4, 4 vs. 4), the results were mixed. With two contested kills (locks obtained simultaneously in combat formation so its hard to tell who'd have been hit first and obviously, would lose the lock on the next jet). So if you minus the contested kills, SU's were over EFT"s by one kill. That's it.

Also, remember, NEITHER of the jets were using their actual radars, electronic jamming, recon and combat equipment to respect each others confidentiality around frequencies and all. All this was being done through the basic combat simulators. The reality may be VERY different in real ways than these results......then why the Indian media hype?????

Tell this to the troll who posted before me. He is the one on a delusional trip.

 

[NKVD]

The official merely said it is difficult to quantify the results. Now are you educated enough to understand english or should I post in Hindi?

Fool It Was for Large Force Engagements(LFE) Clearly stated in the article bother to read it First



Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

The 10-day exercises which commenced on July 21 was the fourth edition of the Indo-UK Bilateral exercise called 'Indradhanush'.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Fool It Was for Large Force Engagements(LFE) Clearly stated in the article bother to read it First

shut up your broken record, loser. Read what you post before posting hem and making a loser of yourself. IAF officials themselves did not say anything about results. It is nothing but media hype.

 

[Viper0011.]

Fool It Was for Large Force Engagements(LFE) Clearly stated in the article bother to read it First



Su-30 MKI fighters had a resounding 12-0 scoreline in their favour against Royal Air Force Typhoon jets in Within Visual Range (WVR) dogfighting operations.

1) Watch your language a little.

2) Please provide a REAL proof, not Indian media hyped up articles quoting the Group Captain........ the results were NOT what you are telling the world. Over all, the TOTAL score was SU-30's 5, EFT's 5. Two contested battles, one was nullified due to both jets firing at two jets and the computer didn't score it due to the time. The other contested kill, if it was awarded to SU-30 as it should've, you'd have 6 SU wins and 5 EFT wins and 1 contested. That's a total of 12. There is NO 12-0, that's a flat out lie and inaccurate.

3) The article is as fake and filled with blind patriotism as it can be. Frankly, its very unprofessional to write Cinderella stories in a professional military discussion, like the author of the article did. For cheap publicity obviously.

 

[NKVD]

Here are the ACTUAL details. IAF won firs two WVR's as the SU-30's were able to use Cobra and TVC to get behind the EFT's. The other two times, the SU's lost as the EFT's first fired WVR missiles, then allowed the SU's to use TVC and then re-acquired them at recovery and bam, it was a done deal. There is no hiding in the Clouds with energy already bled at recovery. That's the weakest part of any TVC jet, not just the SU-30.

From IAF Prespective
The Su-30MKI's IRST reportedly proved to be a distinct advantage for IAF aircrew during WVR combat during Indradhanush-4.

IAF aircrew used their IRSTs more than their eyeballs to track their adversary while maneuvering in WVR combat, which helped them avoid the pitfall of bleeding energy levels excessively, as they reportedly did during the last Red Flag exercise.

A training exercise such as Indradhanush is aimed at improving pilot skills. It would involve some leveling of the playing field so as to keep the focus on skill development. For example, it could be assumed that both the sides have close combat missiles with similar off bore-sight capability. Missile capabilities - CCM or BVR - differ. In a war the outcome of an aerial combat would depend a lot on weapon systems employed, in addition to aircraft capability and pilot skills.

Su-30MKI excels in WVR low energy combat, Typhoon in standoff & WVR high energy combat.
The equation could be significantly altered by EW surprises, giving an adversary temporary advantage.

AWACS backed IAF Su-30MKIs adhering to strict EMCON could negate some Typhoon BVR combat advantages, but overall the Typhoon is a better BVR combat aircraft.

1) Watch your language a little.

2) Please provide a REAL proof, not Indian media hyped up articles quoting the Group Captain........ the results were NOT what you are telling the world. Over all, the TOTAL score was SU-30's 5, EFT's 5. Two contested battles, one was nullified due to both jets firing at two jets and the computer didn't score it due to the time. The other contested kill, if it was awarded to SU-30 as it should've, you'd have 6 SU wins and 5 EFT wins and 1 contested. That's a total of 12. There is NO 12-0, that's a flat out lie and inaccurate.

3) The article is as fake and filled with blind patriotism as it can be. Frankly, its very unprofessional to write Cinderella stories in a professional military discussion, like the author of the article did. For cheap publicity obviously.

Provide the Source of this Assessment or its your Personal Make up arguments you copied from some Forum's

 

[Viper0011.]

From IAF Prespective
The Su-30MKI's IRST reportedly proved to be a distinct advantage for IAF aircrew during WVR combat during Indradhanush-4.

IAF aircrew used their IRSTs more than their eyeballs to track their adversary while maneuvering in WVR combat, which helped them avoid the pitfall of bleeding energy levels excessively, as they reportedly did during the last Red Flag exercise.

A training exercise such as Indradhanush is aimed at improving pilot skills. It would involve some leveling of the playing field so as to keep the focus on skill development. For example, it could be assumed that both the sides have close combat missiles with similar off bore-sight capability. Missile capabilities - CCM or BVR - differ. In a war the outcome of an aerial combat would depend a lot on weapon systems employed, in addition to aircraft capability and pilot skills.

Su-30MKI excels in WVR low energy combat, Typhoon in standoff & WVR high energy combat.
The equation could be significantly altered by EW surprises, giving an adversary temporary advantage.

AWACS backed IAF Su-30MKIs adhering to strict EMCON could negate some Typhoon BVR combat advantages, but overall the Typhoon is a better BVR combat aircraft.

What's your point???? We ALL read it a few times........and BTW, SU-30 or any other fighter with TVC first gen, SUCKS upon recovery post stall or Cobra or using extensive TVC. If you've not witnessed one or understand what I JUST wrote, go ask a Pilot Buddy of yours. Otherwise, let's not waste posts after posts trying to build a spacecraft out of this, when you went to school to learn to paint or write Java!!!

 

[NKVD]

Did any IAF official boast of a victory? YES or NO?

The official merely said it is difficult to quantify the results. Now are you educated enough to understand english or should I post in Hindi?

Post some technical arguments rather than Ranting

What's your point???? We ALL read it a few times........and BTW, SU-30 or any other fighter with TVC first gen, SUCKS upon recovery post stall or Cobra or using extensive TVC. If you've not witnessed one or understand what I JUST wrote, go ask a Pilot Buddy of yours. Otherwise, let's not waste posts after posts trying to build a spacecraft out of this, when you went to school to learn to paint or write Java!!!

Fool Don't Paste Forums Copied Assessments Rather Try to Apply your Mind
if you Making something Up Post Source before Trying to show you superior Im no New Bie to defense Forum's

 

[Viper0011.]

Post some technical arguments rather than Ranting


Fool Don't Paste Forums Copied Assessments Rather Try to Apply your Mind
if you Making something Up Post Source before Trying to show you superior Im no New Bie to defense Forum's

I think I told you once already, watch your language. You don't now how to write, you don't have any experience on the topic and on top of that, you are verbally abusive and use derogatory language. Why come here if you just want to get banned and learn or share 0 of everything???

@Jango @Horus @Oscar : I've told this member twice to watch his language but obviously that's not the case. Will you please issue a warning or ban him up front? Some Indian members are becoming very rude for any debate to take place...