Indonesians expelled chinese migrant workers

[Lego Jangkar]

for moderator sorry this video in indonesian language

 

[Lego Jangkar]

 

[Indos]

A stupid post by a low IQ indonesian aboriginal again...LOL...
You want to make people think indonesia is a first world country by posting such shxt? Sorry, you expel some Chinse does not mean you are a first world country...Chinese are earning money everywhere, even in Sub-Sahara Africa, try... You can hate the Chinese for exploit you low IQ aboriginal beggars with just 1% of population and control 90% of your wealth...lol...

Will you sleep well with that false belief ????

 

[Kai Liu]

Will you sleep well with that false belief ????

What false belief? When we talk about wealth, it refers to private wealth. You can not deny the fact that aboriginals are waaaaayyyy poorer than Chinese in your country.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Will you sleep well with that false belief ????

China's GDP per capita is lower than Indonesias?

China has less billionaires than Indonesia?

China has lower tech than Indonesia?

China has less scientific publications than Indonesia?

China has worse infrastructure than Indonesia?

It even sickens me to compare us.

 

[Jugger]

Everyone is waking up to the reality of these treacherous Chinese...... which is a good thing.

As I said before Chinese will only be left with a few allies now, count North Korea and Pakistan in it.
Rest of the free and democratic world will be anti China.

Always remember that China is no ones friend except themselves(Han Chinese)

 

[AViet]

Everyone is waking up to the reality of these treacherous Chinese...... which is a good thing.

As I said before Chinese will only be left with a few allies now, count North Korea and Pakistan in it.
Rest of the free and democratic world will be anti China.

Always remember that China is no ones friend except themselves(Han Chinese)

Vietnam expells illegal Chinese almost daily, and this is nothing to do with your words about allies.

And the whole world have seen how "free and democratic" India is, especially during Covid, with people being hit be police club like cattle. If you say, it is "free and democratic", that is the least the world want.

Every single country wants to be modern and advanced like China and no one want to be like lIndia.

Together with the Jews, the Chinese may be hated, I agree, in the countries they are working, as they normally outsmart local people, but everyone want to be like them,

 

[AViet]

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[Indos]

What false belief? When we talk about wealth, it refers to private wealth. You can not deny the fact that aboriginals are waaaaayyyy poorer than Chinese in your country.

I will give you some fact here with credible data

1. Chinese Indonesian produce big companies in Indonesia and according to Australian researcher who do the research in 1997, Chinese Indonesian owned businesses own 70 percent overall asset from private owned companies which are listed in Jakarta Stock Exchange, while other 30 percent assets are owned by native Indonesian. But this research exclude state owned companies and multinational companies assets listed in Jakarta Stock Exchange.

Ok lets try to calculate economic magnitude of other businesses which are excluded on the calculation which are SOE, MNC, and Micro, Small, and Medium Size companies.

2. Our state owned companies revenues alone are 1/5 of our GDP (2015) Here is the statement from Wall Street Journal

"Indonesia’s state firms have always been a big source of dividends for the government, but under Mr. Widodo, those companies will be able to keep the money, as long as funds go into infrastructure. Revenues at state-owned companies are equivalent to almost a fifth of the country’s nearly $900 billion gross domestic product.

Indonesia Makes Play for Infrastructure Investment

Indonesia’s president wants to pour billions of dollars into state-owned firms to encourage the private sector to invest in infrastructure. Investors have their doubts.

www.wsj.com

3. Indonesian Muslim business owner usualy are satisfied having small and medium size companies and dont have urge to build conglomeration due to many aspect, one of them are religion. They dominate the micro, small, and medium size businesses. Here is the data about the contribution of this business segment.

According to Indonesian finance minister, Sri Mulyani in 2016, Indonesian micro, small, and medium size companies create 107.6 million job and contribute to 60.6 % to Indonesia GDP. These enterprises account for 99 percent of the total amount of enterprises that are operating in Indonesia. Data comes from Finance Ministry and look like coming from economic census we had in 2016.

Indonesia is second place in the world in term of its micro business density.

Indonesian Economy: Micro, Small & Medium Sized Enterprises | Indonesia Investments

Indonesia's Finance Minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati emphasizes the importance of cooperation between the government and Indonesia's micro, small and medium enterprises (including start ups). Indrawati spoke at the 12th World Islamic Economic Forum (WIEF) that opened on Tuesday (02/08) in Jakarta...

www.indonesia-investments.com

4. Multinational Companies are very prominent player in Indonesia. We can calculate the magnitude through the level of FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) compared to DDI (Domestic Direct Investment) which is 50:50.

5. Companies revenues in majority goes to spending, including paying the worker wage where the actual money taken by owners are actually very small in percentage.

6 Government spending. You need to understand that Government spending contribute hugely to the economy.

7. Out of 10 biggest banks in Indonesia, half is state owned and only one that is owned by Chinese Indonesian (BCA)


Here is 10 major banks in Indonesia.

Bank Rakyat Indonesia (first biggest-state owned), Bank Mandiri (second biggest-state owned), BCA (third biggest-private owned), Bank Negara Indonesia (forth biggest-state owned), Bank Tabungan Negara (fifth biggest-state owned), Bank Tabungan Pensiunan Nasional (ten biggest-state owned). The rest banks are foreign controlled.

Indonesia: largest banks by total assets 2024 | Statista

In 2024, Bank Mandiri was Indonesia's largest bank by assets, along with Bank Rakyat Indonesia and BCA, they made up Indonesia's top three biggest banks.

www.statista.com

By this fact, your belief saying that 1 % Chinese Indonesian control 90 % Indonesian economy is very wrong

 

[Kai Liu]

I will give you some fact here with credible data

1. Chinese Indonesian produce big companies in Indonesia and according to Australian researcher who do the research in 2017, Chinese Indonesian owned businesses own 70 percent overall asset from private owned companies which are listed in Jakarta Stock Exchange, while other 30 percent assets are owned by native Indonesian. But this research exclude state owned companies and multinational companies assets listed in Jakarta Stock Exchange.

Ok lets try to calculate economic magnitude of other businesses which are excluded on the calculation which are SOE, MNC, and Micro, Small, and Medium Size companies.

2. Our state owned companies revenues alone are 1/5 of our GDP (2015) Here is the statement from Wall Street Journal

"Indonesia’s state firms have always been a big source of dividends for the government, but under Mr. Widodo, those companies will be able to keep the money, as long as funds go into infrastructure. Revenues at state-owned companies are equivalent to almost a fifth of the country’s nearly $900 billion gross domestic product.

Indonesia Makes Play for Infrastructure Investment

Indonesia’s president wants to pour billions of dollars into state-owned firms to encourage the private sector to invest in infrastructure. Investors have their doubts.

www.wsj.com

3. Indonesian Muslim business owner usualy are satisfied having small and medium size companies and dont have urge to build conglomeration due to many aspect, one of them are religion. They dominate the micro, small, and medium size businesses. Here is the data about the contribution of this business segment.

According to Indonesian finance minister, Sri Mulyani in 2016, Indonesian micro, small, and medium size companies create 107.6 million job and contribute to 60.6 % to Indonesia GDP. These enterprises account for 99 percent of the total amount of enterprises that are operating in Indonesia. Data comes from Finance Ministry and look like coming from economic census we had in 2016.

Indonesia is second place in the world in term of its micro business density.

Indonesian Economy: Micro, Small & Medium Sized Enterprises | Indonesia Investments

Indonesia's Finance Minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati emphasizes the importance of cooperation between the government and Indonesia's micro, small and medium enterprises (including start ups). Indrawati spoke at the 12th World Islamic Economic Forum (WIEF) that opened on Tuesday (02/08) in Jakarta...

www.indonesia-investments.com

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4. Multinational Companies are very prominent player in Indonesia. We can calculate the magnitude through the level of FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) compared to DDI (Domestic Direct Investment) which is 50:50.

5. Companies revenues in majority goes to spending, including paying the worker wage where the actual money taken by owners are actually very small in percentage.

6 Government spending. You need to understand that Government spending contribute hugely to the economy.

7. Out of 10 biggest banks in Indonesia, half is state owned and only one that is owned by Chinese Indonesian (BCA)


Here is 10 major banks in Indonesia.

Bank Rakyat Indonesia (first biggest-state owned), Bank Mandiri (second biggest-state owned), BCA (third biggest-private owned), Bank Negara Indonesia (forth biggest-state owned), Bank Tabungan Negara (fifth biggest-state owned), Bank Tabungan Pensiunan Nasional (ten biggest-state owned). The rest banks are foreign controlled.

Indonesia: largest banks by total assets 2024 | Statista

In 2024, Bank Mandiri was Indonesia's largest bank by assets, along with Bank Rakyat Indonesia and BCA, they made up Indonesia's top three biggest banks.

www.statista.com

By this fact, your belief saying that 1 % Chinese Indonesian control 90 % Indonesian economy is very wrong

But still, the fact is Chinese indonesians are waaaay richer than aboriginals...
More than half of your top 50 richest men are Chinese...
The top 4 richest are all Chinese...
Check this list:

List of Indonesians by net worth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Indos]

But still, the fact is Chinese indonesians are waaaay richer than aboriginals...
More than half of your top 50 richest men are Chinese...
Check this list:

List of Indonesians by net worth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is right, I dont deny that if you talk about the richest here. It is because Chinese businesses are much more brave to get loan from bank and not satisfied easily with the wealth that they already have. One of the successful business owner in my family whose business in real estate for instant doesnt borrow money from banks to grow his business, he is more on using his own profit. He only cooperates with banks in term of financing the buyer to buy houses that he builds.

He is just satisfied with building a big mosque just beside one of his houses, travel around the world with his family and go to Saudi for Umrah (religious activity) many times, give his three kids expensive cars, has some land investment, and donate hugely along his life. He finance many members of his family to go to Saudi for Umrah for instants.

 

[LeGenD]

@Lego Jangkar

English content is recommended for share and opening threads in this forum. Kindly revisit your opening posts.

 

[Kai Liu]

BTW, not only indonesia, but the entire SEA should thank the Chinese for making their country richer, so that your government can have the money to build the infrastructure etc, which makes SEA countries generally look more modern than say countries like india... Without the Chinese population, SEA will be no different from those shxtholes...
And you can notice that the % of Chinese population in the country positively correlate with the GDP per capita in SEA countries.

 

[nufix]

BTW, not only indonesia, but the entire SEA should thank the Chinese for making their country richer, so that your government can have the money to build the infrastructure etc, which makes SEA countries generally look more modern than say countries like india... Without the Chinese population, SEA will be no different from those shxtholes...
And you can notice that the % of Chinese population in the country positively correlate with the GDP per capita in SEA countries.

The video is talking about Chinese migrant workers who often worked in Indonesia using tourist visa. You are here talking about Indonesians of Chinese descent who do contribute to Indonesia as all good citizens do. That is not relevant.

Anyway, in the video you are looking at illegal workers who only benefit the companies they are working for that also happen to be companies from China contracted by the government of Indonesia to work on some infrastructure projects. I am sure that you agree that all should follow the rule of law in the host countries, right?

 

[OBLiTeRate TrumpTurd]

@Kai Liu

It is ABSOLUTELY ... very DIMWITTED and very IDIOTIC for any Chinese to brag & insult any countries in SEA ( especially Indonesia ).

It has been proven that in many areas CHN is way more advanced than the Vermin Murican, ...
and yet, ... the Chinese government / citizens are behaving like the obedient SLAVES.

For example: The LI KEQIANG, Super Coward Yang Jie Chi ( Vice Premier ), and CCTV & CGTN Elites, and so many other Chinese Intellectuals ~~ about handling the CCTV * Mrs LI HONG situation.

There are way too many Chinese ~ who are behaving like the Super COWARD Obedient SLAVES of the Vermin Murican.

It is so embarrassing for all Asian ... that there are way too many Chinese who are extremely COWARD and extremely GUTLESS .... when confronting the VERMIN Murican, despite being stronger than the Vermin Murican.

Thus, all Chinese shall stop embarrassing all Asian and stop bragging. period