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https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/econ...-firms-relocating-china-why-are-so-few-coming

Indonesia has set up a task force to attract businesses leaving China and is in talks with the US government to help American firms make the move – but there have been few takers, with analysts saying there are still obstacles to doing business there.

Earlier this week, President Joko Widodo announced that seven companies, including South Korea’s LG and Japan’s Panasonic, had confirmed their relocation to Indonesia. Just one firm from the United States, light product maker Alpan, said it was moving there from China, according to The Jakarta Post.

Indonesia is actively looking to court investment as it braces for a widely forecast contraction in its gross domestic product. Southeast Asia’s largest economy, which is home to 270 million people, has seen its steady GDP growth upended by trade and supply chain disruptions due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

To this end, a task force set up by Indonesia’s Investment Coordinating Board (BKPM) to attract external investment is reportedly in talks with American, Japanese and South Korean firms over their relocation to industrial zones being developed in Central Java.

The Jakarta Post quoted Widodo as saying 17 more companies were looking to open facilities in Indonesia, with data from BKPM showing these firms will bring in total investment of US$37 billion and employ 112,000 people.

However, the president has repeatedly lamented Indonesia’s failure to woo companies that have since relocated to the likes of Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines. Analysts say red tape, labour unrest, unproductive workers, lack of infrastructure and systemic corruption are among the obstacles Indonesia must overcome to make itself more attractive to such companies.

“We welcome any move to increase US investment in Indonesia, but the country still needs greater openness and structural reforms to compete with its neighbours for US companies to relocate in greater numbers,” said Lin Neumann, managing director of the American Chamber of Commerce in Indonesia.

Neumann said it would “help if most restrictions in the negative investment list are done away with”, referring to a government policy barring or restricting foreign investment in specific sectors and subsectors, including telecommunications towers and alcohol distribution.

Luhut Pandjaitan, Indonesia’s coordinating minister for maritime affairs and investment, earlier this month said Jakarta was in talks with Washington over the potential relocation of US firms, after President Widodo raised the idea during a phone call with US President Donald Trump.

Pandjaitan’s office has not replied to requests for comment on Indonesia’s progress in nailing down deals with American companies.

In its ease of doing business rankings for this year, the World Bank put Indonesia at No 73, well behind neighbours Singapore (2), Malaysia (12) and Thailand (21), and just behind Vietnam (70). China came in at No 31.

Various surveys also indicate that Indonesia’s manufacturing productivity is worse than its most competitive Southeast Asian neighbours, if not all of them.

“Inefficiencies abound due to state ownership, regulatory interference, underskilled workers and persistent transport bottlenecks. Institutional dysfunctions have inhibited investment, especially into manufacturing for export,” said Kevin O’Rourke, a long-time Indonesia analyst.

But while Indonesia has issues to overcome, some analysts say it remains in the picture for manufacturing relocations and new investment.

A spokesperson for the US International Development Finance Corporation (DFC) – whose chief executive Adam Boehler in January met Widodo to discuss infrastructure development potentially worth billions of dollars – said Indonesia’s “strong and growing domestic economy make it an attractive market for investment”.

Alexander Feldman, chairman of the US-Asean Business Council, said he had heard movement of firms to Indonesia from China was “under consideration”. “Certainly, it is happening in Vietnam and in Thailand, and Indonesia is talked about in the same vein,” he said.

Rajiv Biswas, Asia-Pacific chief economist at IHS Markit in Singapore, said continuing US-China trade tensions would likely be a further driver of the reconfiguration of supply chains that began a decade ago, benefiting Southeast Asian manufacturing hubs including Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines and Myanmar.

“The advantages that Indonesia can offer as a manufacturing hub are particularly around its large domestic consumer market. Indonesia is expected to be one of the world’s fastest-growing emerging markets over the next decade, offering revenue growth opportunities for a wide range of multinationals across many sectors of manufacturing and services,” he said.

“With many multinationals seeking to diversify their Asian manufacturing supply chain beyond mainland China, Indonesia does have the additional advantages of relatively low-cost manufacturing wages and a large labour force, for firms looking to manufacture for the Indonesian domestic consumer market.”

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The analysis cites red tape, systemic corruption and a lack of infrastructure as obstacles for Indonesia. I think they also neglected to mention the growing sectarian pro-terror pro-ISIS sentiment in the population. We can even see it among some posters on this forum. How can a investor have business confidence if they are being extorted to donate funds to ISIS or else risk seeing their factory bombed?
 
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The analysis cites red tape, systemic corruption and a lack of infrastructure as obstacles for Indonesia. I think they also neglected to mention the growing sectarian pro-terror pro-ISIS sentiment in the population. We can even see it among some posters on this forum. How can a investor have business confidence if they are being extorted to donate funds to ISIS or else risk seeing their factory bombed?
Not really but red tape, labour unrest, unproductive workers, lack of infrastructure and systemic corruption are all true.
 
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The corruption culture is being crushed in Indonesia, in the old time even I have to give money to gov official to extend my ID card period. Not anymore now and Gov official have already shown good attitude and helpful. Indonesian Anti Corruption Body that is set up after we embrace Democracy also has become very successful and praised world wide. The trend is positive now.

The one that still become the huge hurdle is severance pay that is ridiculous which is 32 months salary for any employer who want to fire their employee. But new labor law that is prepared by Jokowi gov will try to fix that ridiculous law and has been under discussion in Parliament. With 80 % parliament backing, the new law will likely be passed smoothly and become effective.

Any one should feel optimistic if they see the trend going on in Indonesia currently.
 
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https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/econ...-firms-relocating-china-why-are-so-few-coming


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The analysis cites red tape, systemic corruption and a lack of infrastructure as obstacles for Indonesia. I think they also neglected to mention the growing sectarian pro-terror pro-ISIS sentiment in the population. We can even see it among some posters on this forum. How can a investor have business confidence if they are being extorted to donate funds to ISIS or else risk seeing their factory bombed?

This analyst is shallow that it seems like a high school student who wrote this. This so call analyst forgot to state what the indonesian government have been doing.

You have problem with red tape ? Don't worry the indonesian government will fix that with "Omnibus Law"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...recast-almost-80-laws-in-jobs-investment-push

You have problem with infrastructure ? Don't worry the indonesian government will spend $412 billion for infrastructure project for the next 5 years.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...has-a-412-billion-plan-to-rebuild-the-country

You have problem with isis or terrorism ? Don't worry indonesia have one of the best and succesful anti-terrorism policy in the world.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ce-turned-the-tide-on-militants-idUSKBN14C0X3

No need to worry for it's size and population indonesia is very safe country compare to the 5 most populated country in the world china,india,US and Brazil , indonesia is farrr...more safe and peaceful.:smitten:
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And about infrastructure no need to worry we already far better than vietnam and philippines, with more push it's only about time we surprass thailand.
Even thought we are archipelago country we still doing better than many SEA mainland country:yahoo:
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And about infrastructure no need to worry we already far better than vietnam and philippines, with more push it's only about time we surprass thailand.
Even thought we are archipelago country we still doing better than many SEA mainland country:yahoo:
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I always agree that ID infrastructure is better than VN, so dont need to drag VN in your own problem wt investors like Luxshare, Samsung (who pay VN workers up to 430 usd but still not come to ID even when ID only offer 135usd/month for its workers ).

Maybe investors r scared of mighty Komodo dragon spewing fire and burning up their factories :lol:
 
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I always agree that ID infrastructure is better than VN, so dont need to drag VN in your own problem wt investors like Luxshare, Samsung (who pay VN workers up to 430 usd but still not come to ID even when ID only offer 135usd/month for its workers )

430 USD In a Samsung work center or factory in VN?
 
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I always agree that ID infrastructure is better than VN, so dont need to drag VN in your own problem wt investors like Luxshare, Samsung (who pay VN workers up to 430 usd but still not come to ID even when ID only offer 135usd/month for its workers ).

Maybe investors r scared of mighty Komodo dragon spewing fire and burning up their factories :lol:

135 usd is only in Batang region, more like district maybe. We have different minimum wage salary for every region. The reason of why Batang region is intended to get massive foreign investment is because its low minimum wage salary imposed by their local administration.
 
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135 usd is only in Batang region, more like district maybe. We have different minimum wage salary for every region. The reason of why Batang region is intended to get massive foreign investment is because its low minimum wage salary imposed by their local administration.
If Samsung, Luxshare still dont come to Batang where they only pay 135 usd/month for workers, then why must they come to another ID regions, bro ??

Assembling Samsung phones, Airpods dont need high skill workers. Just know how to write and how to assemble the products r enough.
 
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If Samsung, Luxshare still dont come to Batang where they only pay 135 usd/month for workers, then why must they come to another ID regions, bro ??

Assembling Samsung phones, Airpods dont need high skill workers. Just know how to write and how to assemble the products r enough.

Aren’t they making a lot of AirPods in VN?
 
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If Samsung, Luxshare still dont come to Batang where they only pay 135 usd/month for workers, then why must they come to another ID regions, bro ??

Assembling Samsung phones, Airpods dont need high skill workers. Just know how to write and how to assemble the products r enough.

The concentration of Indonesian industry is in West Java, particularly in Jakarta satellites cities where the minimum wage is much higher than Batang region. One of the reason they still invest there is better infrastructure and better skill labors. Many Jakartan can apply to work there as well since the location is not too far from Jakarta and I believe many Jakartan become supervisors there.

When I was still fresh graduates I actually got called to work in LG office and factory in Tangerang, West Java. I can attend the test and come back to Jakarta at the same day, no problemo. So the closeness to Jakarta is one of the reason. My cousin who previously live in Jakarta also work in Toyota Indonesia Manufacturing in cost control division, he entered cost control division right after graduating from university in Depok, West Java.

Samsung R&D office in Jakarta, Indonesia

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https://research.samsung.com/srin
 
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The concentration of Indonesian industry is in West Java, particularly in Jakarta satellites cities where the minimum wage is much higher than Batang region. One of the reason they still invest there is better infrastructure and better skill labors. Many Jakartan can apply to work there as well since the location is not too far from Jakarta and I believe many Jakartan become supervisors there.

When I was still fresh graduates I actually got called to work in LG office and factory in Tangerang. I can attend the test and come back to Jakarta at the same day, no problemo. So the closeness to Jakarta is one of the reason. My cousin who previously live in Jakarta also work in Toyota Indonesia Manufacturing in cost control division, he entered cost control division right after graduating from university in Depok, West Java.

Samsung R&D office in Jakarta, Indonesia

img-rnd-indonesia.jpg


https://research.samsung.com/srin

Is Jakarta the business hub of Indonesia?
 
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