Indonesia Turning Away From ASEAN?

[dichoi]

We are called Hua.Han will be the past.

why ?

Han is recognized officially in china as biggest ethnic group in PRC.

 

[Cossack25A1]

National interests (particularly developing your country) first, regional alliances is only second.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Majapahit rigidly use fire-arms and cannonade as a feature of warfare. The Javanese bronze breech-loaded swivel-gun, more correctly known as a meriam was used. Majapahit navy achieved total domination on south east asian seas through extensive use of guns

This javanese bronze meriam (cetbang) was found on north coast of australia. The size of Cetbang for naval around 3 meter, and for land artillery around 1 meter. Majapahit already introduce cannonade for naval and land warfare as early as 14th Century.

Civ 5 - Majapahit Prime Minister - Gajah Mada

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[rida.rwp]

If we are just market for other ASEAN countries, it is better leaving of course, and it is better to see Free Trade agreement with Gulf Countries instead.

You caught mine words. I agree with you.

 

[welcomeJason]

why ?

Han is recognized officially in china as biggest ethnic group in PRC.

Hua is more suitable.

 

[Viet]

。。。Maybe other's is not yours,yours is actually not yours and more worse yours maybe other's。。。
Japan:China-Tang Dynasty lifestyle
Korea:China-Ming Dynasty lifestyle
Viet:China-Qing Dynasty lifestyle

No, Vietnam leans on more to the Ming, not Qing.

 

[Nike]

i prefer Indonesia to leave ASEAN as soon as possible and pursue her interest first

 

[dichoi]

Hua is more suitable.

OK.

Hua <=> Viet

Han <= > Kinh.

 

[welcomeJason]

I

OK.

Hua <=> Viet

Han <= > Kinh.

I can't understand。。。

 

[pr1v4t33r]

i prefer Indonesia to leave ASEAN as soon as possible and pursue her interest first

Indonesia interest can be pursued without leaving the block isn't it? And ASEAN will even strengthen our diplomacy clout within our immediate neighbors plus acknowledgment from other regional power for indonesia position within ASEAN will be a bonus. Indonesia is big, but as a diplomacy tool ASEAN is more sexy. Thats why we also include US, China, Japan, Korea, and Australia in ASEAN dialogue.

ASEAN with its non interference policy within each member domestic situation, i think leaving much room for Indoneisa to freely manuever to implement whats good for Indonesia without disturbing our relation with other neighbors. Just imagine, how if UK use "sink the boat" policy to france, spain and dutch for their illegal fishing activity within UK EEZ, thats will create much problem within Eurozone. But in Indonesia case, we can implement our policy without much noise and rejection from our neighbor.

ASEAN with its strength or weakness already served the purpose of why this bloc is formed. To promote and maintain peace and order between southeast asia countries, so we can grow together peacefully. For other greater purpose and greater prize, we will turn to our own diplomacy & leadership.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

& an article that disagree with the previous one.

Indonesia Keen On ‘Big Brother’ Role in ASEAN and Beyond: Official
The country’s army chief says it wants to play a bigger role in promoting order in Asia

By Prashanth Parameswaran
December 23, 2014

Image Credit: Wikimedia Commons


The Indonesian military is keen on playing the role of “big brother” within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and beyond to promote order in the Asia-Pacific, the head of the country’s armed forces (TNI), General Moeldoko, said yesterday.

In remarks delivered before officially opening a meeting of senior Indonesian military leaders, Moeldoko said that he had used Indonesia’s rising power and influence in various regional fora such as the ASEAN Chiefs of Defense Forces Informal Meeting (ACDFIM) to advance the military’s goal of making itself a “big brother” in Southeast Asia.

“As head of TNI, I have brought a strong mission for it [the Indonesian military] to be the ‘big brother’ in the ASEAN region. We are now trying to do this and everyone [in ASEAN] has recognized the military’s growing power,” Moeldoko said in his remarks, which were delivered in the country’s military headquarters in East Jakarta in the local language Bahasa Indonesia.

Indonesia’s “big brother” role – a more informal characterization of its status as first among equals in ASEAN given its heft – tends to be viewed with mixed feelings in Southeast Asia. Some see Jakarta’s leadership as useful in directing the region and logical given its weight, while others regard it with suspicion due to historical animosities and future worries about how Indonesia may use its growing power. That lingering suspicion has only been compounded by some uncertainty about the new Indonesian president Joko “Jokowi” Widodo’s foreign policy and what it means for Jakarta’s role in the region.

Nevertheless, Moeldoko said that with Indonesia’s growing might and status being widely recognized within ASEAN, the Indonesian military was now seeking similar recognition in the broader Asia-Pacific region.

Moeldoko’s focus on the expansion of Indonesia’s role into the broader Asia-Pacific is consistent with his previous remarks on the subject. For instance, in March this year, Moeldoko told the Singapore newspaper The Straits Times in an interview that he had proposed that the ACDFIM be expanded into an “ACDFIM Plus” to include counterparts from key players like the United States and China to better manage regional tensions in the Asia-Pacific.

Looking ahead, Moeldoko said that beyond the Indonesian military’s quest for “big brother” status within ASEAN, there would be other challenges for Indonesia and other ASEAN states as the Asia-Pacific becomes a region of focus in the 21st century and emerges as a global center of economic gravity.

One of those challenges that ASEAN states are grappling with now, and which Moeldoko addressed, is the South China Sea issue. Moeldoko revealed that he had told the chief of the Chinese armed forces in recent talks that while he and his ASEAN counterparts understood China’s ongoing military modernization, they “could not accept” if its growing prowess gives rise to instability in Southeast Asia.

While Moeldoko emphasized he was only conveying a message from ASEAN military chiefs, he is also known to personally harbor a more hawkish view of China. In April, Moeldoko advanced a hardened Indonesian position on the South China Sea in the Wall Street Journal, noting that Jakarta was “dismayed” that Beijing’s infamous nine-dash line in the South China Sea had included “parts of the Natuna Islands” which Indonesia claims, and that his country would “strengthen its forces” in response. The piece stoked broader concerns not just about a potential change in Indonesia’s approach to the South China issue, but the extent to which its position was truly coordinated between different interest groups including the military.

However, in his remarks on Monday, Moeldoko also reiterated that Indonesia was looking to cooperate with China on several matters as well, for instance in exploiting potential synergies between the “global maritime fulcrum” doctrine that Jokowi has advocated and the Maritime Silk Road idea that China has advanced. Chinese and Indonesian officials and advisers have been emphasizing the compatibility of these two visions since Jokowi was inaugurated in October.

Indonesia Keen On ‘Big Brother’ Role in ASEAN and Beyond: Official | The Diplomat

 

[pr1v4t33r]

& an article that disagree with the previous one

And interestingly... written by the same author...

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As Moeldoko stated, we can conclude that the big brother of ASEAN will not leaving ASEAN anytime soon. ASEAN is a strategic bloc for constructing Indonesia's growing diplomatic clout.

With ASEAN flexible tie, we can maneuver freely and easily to prioritize our interest as long as this consistent with ASEAN cooperation framework. Off course Indonesia will need a strong and decisive leadership that can push her agenda forward within this bloc, which i think now is the time.

And, despite some opinion seeing "more hawkish" view toward china, i can't help but predict that in the near future (5-10 years of jokowi administration), we will see a much greater cooperation between Indonesia and China, especially for realizing Jokowi doctrine, Indonesia as global maritime fulcrum and cooperation to synergising Indonesia's maritime fulcrum with with china's maritime silk road.

Today news tells that China's business and corporation are already start pouring heavy investment on Indonesia's maritime infrastructure.

 

[CountStrike]

And interestingly... written by the same author...

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As Moeldoko stated, we can conclude that the big brother of ASEAN will not leaving ASEAN anytime soon. ASEAN is a strategic bloc for constructing Indonesia's growing diplomatic clout.

With ASEAN flexible tie, we can maneuver freely and easily to prioritize our interest as long as this consistent with ASEAN cooperation framework. Off course Indonesia will need a strong and decisive leadership that can push her agenda forward within this bloc, which i think now is the time.

And, despite some opinion seeing "more hawkish" view toward china, i can't help but predict that in the near future (5-10 years of jokowi administration), we will see a much greater cooperation between Indonesia and China, especially for realizing Jokowi doctrine, Indonesia as global maritime fulcrum and cooperation to synergising Indonesia's maritime fulcrum with with china's maritime silk road.

Today news tells that China's business and corporation are already start pouring heavy investment on Indonesia's maritime infrastructure.

LOL..same author with contradictory opinion..

 

[Indos]

You caught mine words. I agree with you.

Thank sis...

 

[Viet]

i prefer Indonesia to leave ASEAN as soon as possible and pursue her interest first

yes, you can seek your role outside the bloc. there is no place for self proclaimer leader, nor big brother for you in asean. not even in 1,000 years.