Indonesia to buy 24 refurbished US F-16 fighters

[500]

F-16C is very decent battle proven fighter and 31 mln$ is very good price for it.

 

[Archie]

And I suppose you are speaking from experience?

JF 17s might be superior to F-16A/B Blk 15 which Pakistan Has , but they are not superior to F-16 C/D Blk 40/42 which Indonesia is getting
If they were then Pakistan would not have bought 18 F-16C/D blk 52 and and ask for upgrade of 45 F-16A/B to Blk 40 standards coz as far as i remember F-16 MLU cost 20 Million per unit which compares to the price of a brand new JF-17

 

[Archie]

By the way how much old are these F-16s coz if they are US Military Surplus then i Doubt they are younger than 20 yrs old , they could be of 1990 Batch
And since Indonesia will receive them in 2014 , i feel they could be overpaying for them

If you guys dont Know then Russia has 18 Ex IAF Su30Ks for sale , which were inducted in 1997 and retired in 2007 , Russia is Asking 15 Million USD for them
And I think Su30Ks would have been Better and cheaper for Indonesia

 

[Qasibr]

JF 17s might be superior to F-16A/B Blk 15 which Pakistan Has , but they are not superior to F-16 C/D Blk 40/42 which Indonesia is getting
If they were then Pakistan would not have bought 18 F-16C/D blk 52 and and ask for upgrade of 45 F-16A/B to Blk 40 standards coz as far as i remember F-16 MLU cost 20 Million per unit which compares to the price of a brand new JF-17

F-16 C/D Block-40 are not superior to Block-52 F-16s that Pakistan has. OR the F-16-AM and -BM(Modernized) that Pakistan's getting upgraded(they get the same stuff Block-52 have).

Can you explain any one single major thing that the JF-17 lacks that makes it an ineffective modern fighter? It's got a very modern suite of weapons integrated, it's highly manouverable, it's got EW and modern-gen self-protection/jammers, it's got MAWS(Missile Approach Warning System) that scans in optical, IR, and UV bands to detect approaching missiles even from 20 km away. It's actually integrated with the same latest-gen frontline weapons and air-to-air missiles that China's very latest aircraft use.

It's primary BVR weapon, the SD-10B(which is also used in the J-10B, J-11B, J-20), is actually more capable than Russia's R-77 that India's Su-30 is armed with. The -B version is a very recent and modern development compared to the R-77(India's R-77 inventory dates back to the 90's), and with the massive investment and breakthroughs China is having, China's lead in this area is only likely to increase. Russian experts themselves admit that China has a lead over them in micro-electronics. As a Russian expert visiting CIDEX(China International Defence Electronics eXhibition) described, China's pace of development in various areas is mind-blowing, while Russians are held back by funding problems and hurdles.

Modern warfare is very unique, and scenarios where both sides have BVR-capable missiles is unprecidented, unlike before, these aircraft don't even come close, and can be shot from afar. Given the facts, JF-17 should be capable of holding it's own against most non-stealth aircraft, it's weapons suite is second to none, and it has a very comprehensive avionics package(with modern RWR, MAWS, ECM, SD-10B has fairly advanced ECCM, etc).

 

[Karachihunk]

hahaha what's wrong with Indonesia.Couple of days back they echoed Chinese Sentiments and warn United States and now they are going to Procure F16's.Why dont they go for Chinese Aircrafts ? It's difficult to understand Indonesian Foreign Policy

 

[Qasibr]

pakistan dont have options but they have..simple it is

Ah, we don't have *options* and Indonesia does, that's why they went for F-16s...

So why is it, that we have more advanced F-16s than the ones Indonesia is getting(they're getting older Blocks that are refurbished after USAF service, we have latest Block-52s). The on-going upgradation on our whole F-16 fleet in Turkey and USA, would bring all our F-16s to a more advanced level than these Block-30/40s.

I'm personally happy our Indonesian brothers went for this, the F-16 is a potent platform and I hope it continues to serve them very well. I don't think this decision was made purely on performance reasons, it seems like the political element played a role. The US has a huge inventory of F-16s and giving off cheap refurbished models seems like a huge part of their foreign policy. This is the "carrot" they offer other countries. Indonesia has also recently approached Britain regarding potential Eurofighter sales, so I think they're looking to modernize extensively.

 

[BATMAN]

^^Indonesia placed big order with Boeing.
US is interested in Indonesian coal.

 

[RockyX]

India and Indonesia are very few countries in the world which can Buy anything from any country including Russia, Europe, Israel and U.S.. There is nothing like Best and India or Indonesia can't but until we can afford or we need of course. It's huge advantage.

We have deal for Sukhoi 30MKI, MIG29SMT/UPG, PAK-FA/FGFA, MTA's, IL-78, Mi-17, T-90, ACC, Frigates, Brahmos - Russia
MIRAGE M2k, Submarine, May be Helicopter carrier later - France
RAFALE/TYPHOON/RADAR - Europe
UAV/AWACS/SAM - ISRAEL
C-130J, C-17 G, P8i, Apache Heli and may be Chinook Heli, F-35 later - U.S.A.

 

[hawx]

India and Indonesia are very few countries in the world which can Buy anything from any country including Russia, Europe, Israel and U.S.. There is nothing like Best and India or Indonesia can't but until we can afford or we need of course. It's huge advantage.

We have deal for Sukhoi 30MKI, MIG29SMT/UPG, PAK-FA/FGFA, MTA's, IL-78, Mi-17, T-90, ACC, Frigates, Brahmos - Russia
MIRAGE M2k, Submarine, May be Helicopter carrier later - France
RAFALE/TYPHOON/RADAR - Europe
UAV/AWACS/SAM - ISRAEL
C-130J, C-17 G, P8i, Apache Heli and may be Chinook Heli, F-35 later - U.S.A.

they will offer f-22 before 2020 !

 

[ViXuyen]

The Indonesian get the F-16 is a big mistake for them as the Indonesian view the australian as their biggest enemy. Would anyone want to believe that the u.s is giving the Indonesian any version that can counter the Australian's air superiority?

The Indonesian could have served themselves better by spending that $750 million on 10 Su-35S

 

[Zarvan]

Indonesia must have 400 above 4.5 Generation Fighter Planes they have enough Navy and Army but the need solid Air Force because very soon that region will turn into war Zone and and Air Force which Indonesia have even Malaysia will destroy it with in Minutes leaving Navy and Army vulnerable to massive Air Attacks from enemies

 

[bc040400065]

JF 17s might be superior to F-16A/B Blk 15 which Pakistan Has , but they are not superior to F-16 C/D Blk 40/42 which Indonesia is getting
If they were then Pakistan would not have bought 18 F-16C/D blk 52 and and ask for upgrade of 45 F-16A/B to Blk 40 standards coz as far as i remember F-16 MLU cost 20 Million per unit which compares to the price of a brand new JF-17

forget about what is the cost and which one is better, the issue i think is the US terms and conditions, why didn't India selected F/A 18 SH, its also battle proven.?
As i know it Indonesia has faced sanctions in the past and just cann't get it why the hell they are still opting for the same. US is the most unreliable partner and everyone knows it.

 

[Zabaniyah]

they will offer f-22 before 2020 !

Er? What?

 

[tvsram1992]

the mig25 managed to shoot down a f18 in desert storm. and we all know the f18 is 25 times more agile. it has nothing to do with agility. f16 is more agile then a f15

friend i ve one thing to say.
Mig25 has the capability to evade your sam's and a2a missiles .
History says that pakistan didnt sent an interceptor even when Mig25 was detected by radar since it knew that it cant intercept the plane .
Mig25 is a good escapor and far better than Jf-17 and even best air superiority fighters in terms of making enemy a sitting duck .

 

[Qasibr]

@tv Comparing aircraft is not like picking up two vegetables and just checking which is better. There are many complex sub-systems, in some areas one aircraft might be better than another, while still being inferior in many other areas.

Like the MiG-25, JF-17 is vastly superior in many areas, JF-17 is a much more manouverable aircraft, it'a avionics are much more advanced, as well as it's electronic-warfare, ECM, RWR. It also carries missiles that are generations ahead of MiG-25's weapons suite. MiG-25 lacks the modern ECM/Jamming capabilities to prevent a modern jamming-resistant BVR missile like JF-17's SD-10B.