Indonesia Rejects Beijing’s Offer for South China Sea Talks

[Nike]

Admiral Zheng He visited Indonesia in 1405 using airplanes.
Airplanes were Advanced tech in 1405, not Alien tech.
Most probably the Chinese helped civilized those still swinging from the trees during their visits.
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i am talking about your average fisherman not Zhang He fleets in which they are using proper large junks warship.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Even your government recognize our vast sea territory that divides Malaysia apart because Indonesia has natuna islands.

You see, those large territory we got is because Indonesia is considered as Archipelagic nation so we can draw aline along our islands and it become a unity. The Natuna Island that become the top of Indonesia territory in SCS can get 200NM EEZ while China self claim islands in SCS cannot, since China is not an Archipelagic country.

Is it difficult to digest ???

What is they to digest? No wonder Indonesia started the Konfrontasi and got a bloody nose.
That is why I predicted Indonesia's future conflicts and disputes will be within ASEAN nations and not China.

You think Vietnam will let Indonesian gets away with it after they seized and blown away their fishing vessels.

BTW is that the Indonesia 3 dash lines?

Admiral Zheng He visited Indonesia in 1405 using airplanes.
Airplanes were Advanced tech in 1405, not Alien tech.
Most probably the Chinese helped civilized those still swinging from the trees during their visits.

While reading through the wiki, the older versions state Zheng He is Chinese.
Latest version states ZHENG HE IS NOT CHINESE because he is Muslim from Yunnan.
When did religion classify nationality in China??
Certainly not in 1405.
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The West and thetheir lackeys are distorting the real history.
It is about time China correct all the distorted histories and withdrawn its recognition of all islands that were illegally seized by USA in the Pacific Islands e.g. Hawaii, Guam.
It has just started with unilateral sanction.

 

[sinait]

i am talking about your average fisherman not Zhang He fleets in which they are using proper large junks warship.

Well either Zheng He flew airplanes or his massive fleets could have made claims to uninhabited islands that his ships took anchor or passed by on the way to all the South East Asia Nations.

That is why the Chinese diaspora are everywhere in South East Asia instead of seafarers from South East Asia everywhere in China and East Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino
Ethnic Chinese sailed around the Philippine Islands from the 9th century onward and frequently interacted with the local Austronesian people.

Good that the Chinese traded and interacted with South East Asia instead of colonizing them.
Or wipe them out and occupied their lands like what their former colonizers did and surprise, surprise, these former colonies are still worshipping their WHITE MASTERS.
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[Indos]

What is they to digest? No wonder Indonesia started the Konfrontasi and got a bloody nose.
That is why I predicted Indonesia's future conflicts and disputes will be within ASEAN nations and not China.

You think Vietnam will let Indonesian gets away with it after they seized and blown away their fishing vessels.

BTW is that the Indonesia 3 dash lines?

We dont continue confrontasi doesnt mean we are lost. It is because Soekarno was taken down by Soeharto and Islamist due to his support on Indonesia Communist Party. Soeharto think differently and he like to improve economy rather than expanding our territory into Malaysia and Singapore. This is why he initiate ASEAN.

Any way if British and Australia didnt help you guys, both Malaysia and Singapore have become our provinces by now

This is not Indonesia 3 dash lines, but internationally recognized territory and the BLUE one represent our sea territory

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

We dont continue confrontasi doesnt mean we are lost. It is because Soekarno was taken down by Soeharto and Islamist due to his support on Indonesia Communist Party. Soeharto think differently and he like to improve economy rather than expanding our territory into Malaysia and Singapore. This is why he initiate ASEAN.

Any way if British and Australia didnt help you guys, both Malaysia and Singapore have become our provinces by now

This is not Indonesia 3 dash lines, but internationally recognized territory and the BLUE one represent our sea territory

The Indonesian paratroopers were all captured ans their accomplices who infiltrated were also detained.
The Australians and British were behind Malaya. Indonesia got a bloody nose and that is why they are feeling so indignant whenever konfrontasi is mentioned.
Sukarno had to take the wrath and the blame.

 

[sinait]

We dont continue confrontasi doesnt mean we are lost. It is because Soekarno was taken down by Soeharto and Islamist due to his support on Indonesia Communist Party. Soeharto think differently and he like to improve economy rather than expanding our territory into Malaysia and Singapore. This is why he initiate ASEAN.

Any way if British and Australia didnt help you guys, both Malaysia and Singapore have become our provinces by now

This is not Indonesia 3 dash lines, but internationally recognized territory and the BLUE one represent our sea territory

Yeah, MIGHT IS RIGHT.
Lets hope you don't whine when Vietnam or China whip your asses.
That day will come, no doubt.
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[CAPRICORN-88]

We dont continue confrontasi doesnt mean we are lost. It is because Soekarno was taken down by Soeharto and Islamist due to his support on Indonesia Communist Party. Soeharto think differently and he like to improve economy rather than expanding our territory into Malaysia and Singapore. This is why he initiate ASEAN.

Any way if British and Australia didnt help you guys, both Malaysia and Singapore have become our provinces by now

This is not Indonesia 3 dash lines, but internationally recognized territory and the BLUE one represent our sea territory

Really.

 

[Nike]

Well either Zheng He flew airplanes or his massive fleets could have made claims to uninhabited islands that his ships took anchor or passed by on the way to all the South East Asia Nations.

That is why the Chinese diaspora are everywhere in South East Asia instead of seafarers from South East Asia everywhere in China and East Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino
Ethnic Chinese sailed around the Philippine Islands from the 9th century onward and frequently interacted with the local Austronesian people.

Good that the Chinese traded and interacted with South East Asia instead of colonizing them.
Or wipe them out and occupied their lands like what their former colonizers did and surprise, surprise, these former colonies are still worshipping their WHITE MASTERS.
.

we will lay claim over Zongguo right now as Nusantara trading fleets already doing trading with Zongguo since hundred years ago

 

[sinait]

we will lay claim over Zongguo right now as Nusantara trading fleets already doing trading with Zongguo since hundred years ago

You should proceed with your claim ASAP.
China will be happy to cordially receive your claims.
Someone edited the wiki to state ZHENG HE is not Chinese because he is Muslim from Yunnan.
So Indonesia can claim ZHENG HE is Indonesian.
I am waiting.

Or maybe you are illiterate??
I clearly stated UNINHABITATED ISLANDS.

Well either Zheng He flew airplanes or his massive fleets could have made claims to uninhabited islands that his ships took anchor or passed by on the way to all the South East Asia Nations.

That is why the Chinese diaspora are everywhere in South East Asia instead of seafarers from South East Asia everywhere in China and East Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino
Ethnic Chinese sailed around the Philippine Islands from the 9th century onward and frequently interacted with the local Austronesian people.

Good that the Chinese traded and interacted with South East Asia instead of colonizing them.
Or wipe them out and occupied their lands like what their former colonizers did and surprise, surprise, these former colonies are still worshipping their WHITE MASTERS.

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[Indos]

The Indonesian paratroopers were all captured ans their accomplices who infiltrated were also detained.
The Australians and British were behind Malaya. Indonesia got a bloody nose and that is why they are feeling so indignant whenever konfrontasi is mentioned.
Sukarno had to take the wrath and the blame.

The war last for around 4 years, and it is normal for both Indonesian and Malaysian front get captured and killed. Why do you think that we only send once paratroopers along that 4 years ??? We can infiltrate Malaysia using our land border in Borneo.

Any way that is crazy move by Soekarno, our armed force dont support it.

Soeharto then helped Malaysia crush its communist rebel in Sabah and Sarawak and send our special force and ended the Malaysia communist insurgency in 1990.

 

[Pirupiru]

I thought I replied to a sane person... it turns out to be just another malaysian troll. I just wasted my time here. OK bye

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

I thought I replied to a sane person... it turns out to be just another malaysian troll. I just wasted my time here. OK bye

Thank you. It cuts both way.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

The war last for around 4 years, and it is normal for both Indonesian and Malaysian front get captured and killed. Why do you think that we only send once paratroopers along that 4 years ??? We can infiltrate Malaysia using our land border in Borneo.

Any way that is crazy move by Soekarno, our armed force dont support it.

Soeharto then helped Malaysia crush its communist rebel in Sabah and Sarawak and send our special force and ended the Malaysia communist insurgency in 1990.

Is that your version of distorted history you have been reading? Does ancient people in Indonesia had any real histories records or is it like in India, in vedas, folklore, songs, etc.

So according to you Indonesian only send their paratroopers once and do you know where was it that they landed? Those days Sukarno was a hero but today he called him crazy.
What if he has succeeded?
It will be a different narrative then, right.

The truth was secret invasion of Malaya by Indonesian infiltrators were nipped at the bud.
It turned out to be a disaster for the Indonesia and there were many untold stories and some of the documents are kept in British Archives.

The British and Australian warships were secretly position in the strait of Malacca. Not in your history book either.
That successfully deterred full invasion by Indonsian forces.

What has Suharno got to do with anti-British insurgency in Malaya?
Now you claiming credit for that as well.

The truth is if China was expansionist nation, part of Indonesia will be under China rule today.
In history and Chinese court records, the Sultanate of Sulu, Malacca, Cambodia, Surubaya were all paying tributes to Emperor of Middle Kingdom.
So term tributary states by historians. It please the Emperor and he protects them.

Just how many people in here are aware that Admiral Zhenghe naval forces help to stabilize Sri Lanka by crushing the Tamil rebellion there?
You people has no idea how big Admiral Zhenghe fleet was?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Yeah, MIGHT IS RIGHT.
Lets hope you don't whine when Vietnam or China whip your asses.
That day will come, no doubt.
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Then don't complaint when the US & the rest of the planet asserts their might on your collective asses.

 

[Indos]

Is that your version of distorted history you have been reading? Does ancient people in Indonesia had any real histories records or is it like in India, in vedas, folklore, songs, etc.

So according to you Indonesian only send their paratroopers once and do you know where was it that they landed? Those days Sukarno was a hero but today he called him crazy.
What if he has succeeded?
It will be a different narrative then, right.

The truth was secret invasion of Malaya by Indonesian infiltrators were nipped at the bud.
It turned out to be a disaster for the Indonesia and there were many untold stories and some of the documents are kept in British Archives.

The British and Australian warships were secretly position in the strait of Malacca. Not in your history book either.
That successfully deterred full invasion by Indonsian forces.

What has Suharno got to do with anti-British insurgency in Malaya?
Now you claiming credit for that as well.

The truth is if China was expansionist nation, part of Indonesia will be under China rule today.
In history and Chinese court records, the Sultanate of Sulu, Malacca, Cambodia, Surubaya were all paying tributes to Emperor of Middle Kingdom.
So term tributary states by historians. It please the Emperor and he protects them.

Just how many people in here are aware that Admiral Zhenghe naval forces help to stabilize Sri Lanka by crushing the Tamil rebellion there?
You people has no idea how big Admiral Zhenghe fleet was?

Better you worry of your own country Singapore who got 44 % minus growth in the second quarter. China is not your country dude.