Indonesia Rejects Beijing’s Offer for South China Sea Talks

[vi-va]

LOL you lost 4 million people to Japan in WW2 in just 3 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies

They slaughtered you like pigs! Indonesians cry oink oink.

Buddy, don't be trigger by false flager. Don't think he is Indonesian at all.
Not need to fight with false flager, no need to include Indonesia. That's exactly what he want.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

IF THIS NEWS IF TRUE, Well Indonesia has made a mistake here. China made this offer because it wants to give another opportunity to Indonesia to resolve this like friends. If not, Indonesia will soon pay badly for this, and I am not joking.

Other way around china have no cards to win against Indonesia so it have to resorts to "negotiation"

Do remember that unlike Vietnam & Philippines we can actually follow up on our threat & china also can't afford to piss us off either.

 

[Nilgiri]

Having a big bully neighbor like CN is very tired, specially when having dispute wt her in the most important sea route SCS ( east VN sea).

Negotiations wt Ah Q never work. If u r weaker, then Ah Q will bully u. If u r stronger, then Ah Q will bow down wt fear
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The story traces the "adventures" of Ah Q, a man from the rural peasant class with little education and no definite occupation. Ah Q is famous for "spiritual victories", Lu Xun's euphemism for self-talk and self-deception even when faced with extreme defeat or humiliation. Ah Q is a bully to the less fortunate but fearful of those who are above him in rank, strength, or power. He persuades himself mentally that he is spiritually "superior" to his oppressors even as he succumbs to their tyranny and suppression. Lu Xun exposes Ah Q's extreme faults as symptomatic of the Chinese national character of his time. The ending of the piece is equally poignant and satirical.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Story_of_Ah_Q

Can only bully so much. 2014 you teach them lesson again, and they didnt do anything....that too after all their trolls kept saying Vietnam would be invaded and destroyed in just few days at any moment and PLA gonna invade soon blah blah..... haha.

Nothing happen in the end and they still stick around blabbing about Vietnam like old hags that have gone nutty haha.

Their online trolls are the weakest, girliest and funniest thing about them haha. Same thing happening with Taiwan and India now....big talk about this and that....nothing happens

Just need to say CN 2023 and they

 

[Viva_Viet]

Can only bully so much. 2014 you teach them lesson again, and they didnt do anything....that too after all their trolls kept saying Vietnam would be invaded and destroyed in just few days at any moment and PLA gonna invade soon blah blah..... haha.

Nothing happen in the end and they still stick around blabbing about Vietnam like old hags that have gone nutty haha.

Their online trolls are the weakest, girliest and funniest thing about them haha. Same thing happening with Taiwan and India now....big talk about this and that....nothing happens

Just need to say CN 2023 and they

Yeah.Dont know why they waste too much time lying on internet? why they keep saying unreal things ? even everyone realized they r sick liars, good at bragging unreal things only.

Seem like most of Cnese here have a very pathetic real lives. Bullied by bosses, managers, supervisors or simply their r jobless and living cost, housing loan make them so stressful, so only delude themselves on internet like Ah Q wt his "spiritual victory" can make them happy abit.

Thats why I always avoid talking wt them. I just post here to let ppl know how pathetic they are. Cnese here r is just Ah Q and finally will end up poignantly

 

[Viva_Viet]

Perfect self description about a pathetic idiot like you...lol... I am still waiting for you to post the pic/video like what I did about 2014, not the fake shxt article from your fake shxt media's masturbation dream...

I am still waiting for you to post the pic/video about your Wikipedia 1967 'victory' like what I did about 1962, not the fake shxt article from your fake shxt media's masturbation dream...
LMAO...

Hey,u always try to violate forum rule. Be careful or u will got ban soon .

Just reported u keep posting bad words

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Other way around china have no cards to win against Indonesia so it have to resorts to "negotiation"

Do remember that unlike Vietnam & Philippines we can actually follow up on our threat & china also can't afford to piss us off either.

Indonesia dispute is more with the rest of ASEAN than China esp. Vietnam.
It has been blowing up Vietnamese fishing vessel illegally angering Vietnam but it dare not to do that to China.

If Indonesia were to cite arbitration ruling by the non UN International Arbitration Tribunal which is non enforceable that implied all these islands have no 200NM EEZ sea border and insists that China should obey then Indonesia must similarly do so as it has no right to the 200NM EEZ as well.

Indonesia must allow the other nations including Vietnamese, Chinese fishery vessels to fish there.

One cannot have the cake and eat it.

Natuna Island is no longer a point of disagreement with China.

OK Indonesia can keep Natuna Island but sorry Indonesia don't have any sea territorial right beyond 12NM otherwise it is sea piracy.

Itndonesia has lost its case to Malaysia in Sipadan at the ICJ but is still insist that the Island belongs to here.

BTW International Arbitration Tribunal often cited as PAC by Western News Media has in fact nothing to do with nor is in anyway associated with UN Permanent Arbitration Court hence it ruling is not enforceable.
It is certainly not international law.
UNCLOS is a maritime law that deals with water not the land territories.

PAC has issued a notice to that effects saying that iAT by Philippines has nothing to do with UN.

 

[Pirupiru]

Indonesia dispute is more with the rest of ASEAN than China esp. Vietnam.
It has been blowing up Vietnamese fishing vessel illegally angering Vietnam but it dare not to do that to China.

Says who?
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/indonesia-sinks-51-confiscated-fishing-vessels

We have been doing that since 2009.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Says who?
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/indonesia-sinks-51-confiscated-fishing-vessels

We have been doing that since 2009.

Illegally. Wait till Vietnam send in their navy and started shooting and blowing up your Indonesian fishing boats in international water.

Then it will be interesting to see who USA will side with?
Wrong is wrong.

Natuna Island are not entitled to the 200NM EEZ according to IAT ruling. Hence these fishing boats Indonesia confiscated are in international water.

Indonesia must not practice double standard.

We know China Coastguard vessels have even rammed Indonesian Navy trying to board and detain Chinese fishing boats.

Indonesia do know who is the Taiko around.

 

[Indos]

Illegally. Wait till Vietnam send in their navy and started shooting and blowing up your Indonesian fishing boats in international water.

Then it will be interesting to see who USA will side with?
Wrong is wrong.

Natuna Island are not entitled to the 200NM EEZ according to IAT ruling. Hence these fishing boats Indonesia confiscated are in international water.

Indonesia must not practice double standard.

We know China Coastguard vessels have even rammed Indonesian Navy trying to board and detain Chinese fishing boats.

Indonesia do know who is the Taiko around.

Do you know what archipelago country status means ???


Archipelagic state
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An archipelagic state is a designation used for island countries that consist of an archipelago. The designation is legally defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. In various conferences,[1] The Bahamas, Fiji, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea and the Philippines are the five original sovereign states that obtained approval in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea signed in Montego Bay, Jamaica on 10 December 1982 and qualified as the archipelagic states.[2]

Archipelagic states are composed of groups of islands forming a state as a single unit, with the islands and the waters within the baselines as internal waters. Under this concept ("archipelagic doctrine"), an archipelago shall be regarded as a single unit, so that the waters around, between, and connecting the islands of the archipelago, irrespective of their breadth and dimensions, form part of the internal waters of the state, and are subject to its exclusive sovereignty. The baselines must enclose the main islands of the archipelago, and the enclosed water to land ratio must be "between 1:1 and 9:1".[3]

The approval of the United Nations (UN) for the five sovereign states as archipelagic states respect[4] existing agreements with other countries and shall recognize traditional fishing rights and other legitimate activities of the immediately adjacent neighboring countries in certain areas falling within archipelagic waters. The terms and conditions for the exercise of such rights and activities, including the nature, the extent and the areas to which they apply, shall, at the request of any of the countries concerned, be regulated by bilateral agreements between them. Such rights shall not be transferred to or shared with third countries or their nationals.[5]

As of 20 June 2015, a total of 22 countries have sought to claim archipelagic status.[6]

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Do you know what archipelago country status means ???


Archipelagic state
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation Jump to search

An archipelagic state is a designation used for island countries that consist of an archipelago. The designation is legally defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. In various conferences,[1] The Bahamas, Fiji, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea and the Philippines are the five original sovereign states that obtained approval in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea signed in Montego Bay, Jamaica on 10 December 1982 and qualified as the archipelagic states.[2]

Archipelagic states are composed of groups of islands forming a state as a single unit, with the islands and the waters within the baselines as internal waters. Under this concept ("archipelagic doctrine"), an archipelago shall be regarded as a single unit, so that the waters around, between, and connecting the islands of the archipelago, irrespective of their breadth and dimensions, form part of the internal waters of the state, and are subject to its exclusive sovereignty. The baselines must enclose the main islands of the archipelago, and the enclosed water to land ratio must be "between 1:1 and 9:1".[3]

The approval of the United Nations (UN) for the five sovereign states as archipelagic states respect[4] existing agreements with other countries and shall recognize traditional fishing rights and other legitimate activities of the immediately adjacent neighboring countries in certain areas falling within archipelagic waters. The terms and conditions for the exercise of such rights and activities, including the nature, the extent and the areas to which they apply, shall, at the request of any of the countries concerned, be regulated by bilateral agreements between them. Such rights shall not be transferred to or shared with third countries or their nationals.[5]

As of 20 June 2015, a total of 22 countries have sought to claim archipelagic status.[6]

Stop wikiing us and taking us round the garden. It is a irrelevent and a waste of time.

So you do know what is meridian 118 under the Paris Treaty and how it applied to Philippines that they have to enact the Baseline Act 2009 in order to fake those historical islands they claimed as Terra Nellius? And Philippines also included an exemptionary clause when they ratified the Treaty. In simple word, sea lans grabbing after extending the seaborder frim 12nm to 200nm.

You are now talking about a land law but UNCLOS is a maritime law. We are talking about EEZ.

Natuna Island is not a part of any archipelago hence is irrelevant here.

The island illegally occupied and annexed by USA to the east of Philippines is part of the archipelago and Benigno Aquino did submitted claim for those islands before he left to UN. Why didn't anyone reported about this?

The judges at IAT did not ruled on the ownership of these islands but merely pointed out that these islands do not enjoyed a 200NM EZZ. End of story.

 

[Indos]

Stop wikiing us and taking us round the garden. It is a irrelevent and a waste of time.

So you do know what is meridian 118 under the Paris Treaty and how it applied to Philippines that they have to enact the Baseline Act 2009 in order to fake those historical islands they claimed as Terra Nellius? And Philippines also included an exemptionary clause when they ratified the Treaty. In simple word, sea lans grabbing after extending the seaborder frim 12nm to 200nm.

You are now talking about a land law but UNCLOS is a maritime law. We are talking about EEZ.

Natuna Island is not a part of any archipelago hence is irrelevant here.

The island illegally occupied and annexed by USA to the east of Philippines is part of the archipelago and Benigno Aquino did submitted claim for those islands before he left to UN. Why didn't anyone reported about this?

The judges at IAT did not ruled on the ownership of these islands but merely pointed out that these islands do not enjoyed a 200NM EZZ. End of story.

Dude, Natuna Island is part of Indonesia archipelago. Go look on the map and see how big Natuna Islands is. Even our sea territory divides Malaysia.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Don't make me laugh. It is never a part of Indonesia. Geographically speaking it cannot be part of Indonesia archipelago otheotherwise it will be in earthquake zone today.
I am surprised you did not claimed Singapore as well.
Natuna island was in fact stolen from Malaya because Indonesia got its independence before Malaya.

 

[Nike]

China had using alien tech to let their fisherman able to fishing around until Southern part of South China sea, they keep the fish fresh and frozen, they had ships who can facing high wave in any season, they had chartered the maps of South China Sea even for shallow reefs area. They had doing this since hundreds or thousands years ago as they claim it. There is no difference between China logic and Indian Vedic technology.

 

[Indos]

Don't make me laugh. It is never a part of Indonesia. Geographically speaking it cannot be part of Indonesia archipelago otheotherwise it will be in earthquake zone today.
I am surprised you did not claimed Singapore as well.
Natuna island was in fact stolen from Malaya because Indonesia got its independence before Malaya.

Even your government recognize our vast sea territory that divides Malaysia apart because Indonesia has natuna islands.

You see, those large territory we got is because Indonesia is considered as Archipelagic nation so we can draw aline along our islands and it become a unity. The Natuna Island that become the top of Indonesia territory in SCS can get 200NM EEZ while China self claim islands in SCS cannot, since China is not an Archipelagic country.

Is it difficult to digest ???

 

[sinait]

China had using alien tech to let their fisherman able to fishing around until Southern part of South China sea, they keep the fish fresh and frozen, they had ships who can facing high wave in any season, they had chartered the maps of South China Sea even for shallow reefs area. They had doing this since hundreds or thousands years ago as they claim it. There is no difference between China logic and Indian Vedic technology.

Admiral Zheng He visited Indonesia in 1405 using airplanes.
Airplanes were Advanced tech in 1405, not Alien tech.
Most probably the Chinese helped civilized those still swinging from the trees during their visits.

While reading through the wiki, the older versions state Zheng He is Chinese.
Latest version states ZHENG HE IS NOT CHINESE because he is Muslim from Yunnan.
When did religion classify nationality in China??
Certainly not in 1405.
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