Indonesia on the shortlist of Muslim countries that might soon normalize relations with Israel ?

[antonius123]

I move the discussion here, so that it suit the thread topic.

The land of the native Palestinians of course, who else..?
First of all, it's not "British Mandatory" it's "British Mandate"... Do you even understand what it means..?
It means that after WW1 the British has the responsibility to administer the territory as mandated by the League of Nations until such time that the territory become stable enough for self-rule... It was never a British territory or colony to begin with, it's not their right to give away...

Let set aside semantic play at the moment.

The question is: "who is the native Palestinian?" arab or jews, and why? Because newly immigrating Jews could also claim they are native Palestinian also as their ancestor was coming from that land who left their land/property behind due to war/oppression/etc.

Furthermore: the fate of the land could not be based on nativity; all the settler have same right to decide. Same like Singapore when she was founded, majority of the people were not native, but all the settler tried to decide their fate and formulated it into a nation concept called Singapore.

Although not British Colony, it was under British Mandate. You know what it means?
That means under british governance/rule, not under Arab nations; that means Palestinian land doesnt belong to Arab nations but was "empty".

Yes, they didn't invade at first, because they first came as immigrants and later as refugees to Palestine... only later, especially after WW2 that they began to forcefully seize more territories around them. Btw the British didn't handover anything to the Jews or Zions or Arabs... they just left when the territory became chaotic by ending the mandate and handing it over to the UN... there were no rights of determinations, or votes, or referendum or anything for the Palestinians.

What do you mean those immigrants/refugee seize more territories around them? Becoming immigrant doesnt mean they have to attack, rob and occupy someone property. The notion that Jews immigrant looting native arab houses is baseless accusation. As new immigrant you can land on shelters, work for money and later on buy house/properties. Same like arabs immigrated to palestine land thousand years ago and became settler, doesn't mean they rob Jew's house.

This false notion reside and some of our fellows, and become the false foundation for them to judge.

British did not hand over to Jews, but intended so.
In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain the Mandate for Palestine under terms which included the Balfour Declaration with its promise to the Jews, and with similar provisions regarding the Arab Palestinians.

So based on this, later on UN proposed UN Partition Plan for Palestinian land that allow Jewish State and Arab State on the land.

If there was a vote or a referendum and the majority of the Palestinian refused the creation of Israel or the partition, then in my personal opinion, the best solution would be to create a state of Israel in Europe, in territories taken from Germany.. After all it's the Germans that did the genocide... and most of the Jews were of European origin.

Referendum regarding Israel fate can only be done on Israel citizen.
We can't run referendum on non Israel citizen (current Palestinian country), for the fate of Israel nation.
Israel people want Israel state, and we never heard any rebellion inside Israel demanding referendum.

I don't know what help the other (non-Palestinian) Arabs gave them, but the Palestinians gave them shelter when they were refugees.. and the Palestinian well being is all that matters here, after all it is the Palestinian territory that's under Israeli occupation and not Saudi Arabian, or UAE, or Iraq, etc... btw the official UN term for Palestine territory is the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT), that in itself is already self explanatory of the current status of Palestine, no matter how much you or Israel wants to sugarcoat it.

Can you back this with credible source?

Well.. I think I have derailed this thread far enough... This is the Indonesian thread, not Palestine, or Israel, nor middle east history... The only reason it was posted here is because there were news that we were considering recognizing Israel... But our MOFA has confirmed that it's not true, at least until the 2-state solution is realized, so there's nothing else to discuss regarding this matter now...

Indonesia Denies in Talks with Israel

Indonesia denies Israeli media claims of normalizing ties with Israel and thus reaffirming their unwavering support for Palestine.

jakartaglobe.id

We are discussing on why Indonesia must view Israel as the collonialis nation. You can put this discussion somewhere else which you think more suitable anyway.