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Indonesia Might Buy V-22s—The Reason Is China

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...t-buy-v-22s-the-reason-is-china/#5b4272fc2d7b


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Bell-Boeing concept for an Indonesian V-22.

The U.S. State Department on Monday cleared Indonesia to buy up to eight V-22 Osprey tiltrotor transports from Bell-Boeing for a cost of around $2 billion. That sum includes spare parts.

Jakarta might not actually want the speedy, twin-rotor Ospreys and may never sign a deal. But it’s not hard to see how the Indonesian armed forces could benefit from an acquisition.

It boils down to one word: Natunas. It’s an Indonesian island group in the South China Sea. One that Chinese leaders would love to annex. The Natunas “are a source of ongoing tension in the region,” the California think-tank RAND explained.

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The Natunas are an archipelago of 272 small islands, the center of which lies 730 miles north of Jakarta. Fewer than 100,000 people live on the islands. Pretty much all of them work either for the government or as small fishermen.


The Natunas are poor, but its waters are rich in natural gas and, of course, fish.

Which is why China is jealous of the islands. While no one seriously disputes that the Natunas belong to Indonesia, Beijing’s so-called “nine-dash line”—the farthest extent of China’s unofficial claim on the China Seas— extends deep into the 200-mile exclusive economic zone surrounding the archipelago.

Which is why Chinese fishing boats, escorted by paramilitary coast guard vessels, frequently sail into the waters surrounding the Natunas and use their bottom-scraping nets to strip every living thing from vast swathes of the ocean.

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DAVID AXE

The fishing incursions have become a geopolitical crisis. In January, a Chinese fishing flotilla appeared off the Natunas, just a day after Indonesian President Joko Widodo visited the island group. The Chinese fleet returned the following month.

“Little by little, I think the Chinese will take the Indonesian sea, the Philippine Sea, the Vietnamese sea,” Wandarman, a fisherman in the Natunas, told The New York Times. “They are hungry: oil, natural gas and lots and lots of fish.”

Indonesia sometimes responds to Chinese incursions by deploying patrol planes, fighters jets and navy vessels to the South China Sea. But there’s a problem. Indonesian bases in the region are few, small and under-developed.

There’s an airport at Ranai, the capital of the Natunas. That facility with its 8,400-foot runway in theory can accommodate fighter jets. The Indonesian air force’s F-16s and Su-30s in the past have deployed to bases around the periphery of the South China Sea.

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Matak airfield.

WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
There’s a smaller airfield at Matak, 150 west of Ranai, that’s 3,900 feet long—probably too small for fast jets. There’s a naval base at Tanjung Pinang, 300 miles southwest of Ranai, that can support naval vessel up to 100 feet in length.

And that’s pretty much it for major military infrastructure. Most of Indonesia’s biggest naval ports and air bases are many hundreds of miles from the Natunas. And that means any significant force deploying to the archipelago must function as its own base while maintaining lines of communication over long distances.

Amphibious ships are the obvious starting point. It’s not for no reason that Indonesia, in recent years, has devoted billions of dollars to building amphibs, including five South Korean-designed landing docks, or LPDs.

Each Makassar-class LPD is 360 feet long, displaces 11,000 tons fully loaded and can carry more than 200 marines or soldiers plus around 40 vehicles up to the size and weight of a Leopard II tank. Twenty-two landing ships, tank, three coastal tankers, two troop transports, an oiler and a hospital ship support the LPDs.

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The Indonesian LPD 'Banjarmasin.'

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The two Banjarmasin-class shipsvariants of the Makassar—are the closest thing the Indonesian navy has to aircraft carriers. Each can support five helicopters and should be able to accommodate a V-22.

The Indonesian navy operates around two dozen light helicopters. The air force has around 20 Puma and Super Puma transport ‘copters. The army, with its 50 Bell 412s and 10 Mi-17s, possesses the biggest rotary force.

None of those rotorcraft can match the V-22’s 300 mile-per-hour cruising speed and 400-mile mission radius with a full load of two dozen troops. That capability comes at a cost, of course. Not only is a V-22 expensive at $70 million per copy, it’s unreliable and maintenance-intensive compared to a traditional helicopter.

But it might be worth it as Indonesia builds up a naval flotilla that can function as a sea base for pushing back against China’s incursions into Indonesian waters.
You should change the word ''Might'' in to ''is'' in the thread tittle,done deal already.
 
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You should change the word ''Might'' in to ''is'' in the thread tittle,done deal already.

Not yet bro. No contract yet and Jokowi seems not happy with imported defense product during economic crisis. Just Yesterday he warned our Defense Minister not to do import in the meeting, instead he urge Defense Ministry and Police to buy weapons from our own defense industries. Our defense ministry office then confirm that the ministry hasnt yet decided to but V 22 helicopter and will prioritize our defense equipment.

I believe for the next 2 years there will be no imported defense equipment, except foreign design that will be built in Indonesia like Iver frigates and Changbogo submarines.

 
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Most probably they will change it into H22M Caracal (EC 725) that is produced by PT Dirgantara Indonesia (under Airbus license) or the acquisition will be delayed until economy comes to normal again. Despite so the acquisition that look like not using TOT scheme actually violates our law and there could be some opposition coming from media and parliament if it goes through.

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I hope Chinese Navy can provoke us more and sent more warships, even declared Natuna as their own territory. It will sent a clear message about China position against Indonesia.
Obviously, you are not well educated. Giving/selling/trading sovereignty territory is considered treason in any country. You will have death penalty for that in Indonesia.
In reality, no one give a damn about Indonesia in China. All Chinese can recall is 1998 Indonesia massacred Chinese ethic. The general option is China was not strong enough back then, if it happens again, it will bomb the shit of Indonesia back to tribe age like Libya.
 
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I am quite glad i avoid the Chinese section. What a pathetic and disgusting display by the Chinese users, getting quite insecure i see.

If the powers that be, actually put them on level-playing field as rest, the quality of forum will improve (at cost of some quantity short term).

But you see, powers that be wont do that, so we have this entrenched cretin brigade polluting all over the place...and getting away with just about all of it...slap on wrist at most for them.

Results are there for everyone else to see....and honestly the credibility of this forum (as opposed to it being yet another echo chamber safe space) is diminished big time and added to its earlier diminishing episodes.

Anyway in a way it has silver-lining, more people see just what these wildly unintelligent CCP idiots (and their cheerleader mob) consistently are...drunk on their permitted excess here....and what their "thinking" (if you can call it that) is like.

@T-123456 @KAL-EL @Joe Shearer @Hamartia Antidote @-SINAN- @VCheng @Vergennes
 
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I told you, you are less informed. Read some history. Not wiki or something inferior.
Yah thanks to china, it appears Indonesia is now on the same side with OZ.



Again thanks to china

I hope Chinese Navy can provoke us more and sent more warships, even declared Natuna as their own territory. It will sent a clear message about China position against Indonesia.
They should send their ships annually to our waters so that we could justify increase in defence spending.
Theoretically we could point our finger at china everytime there's a budget cuts.
 
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Yah thanks to china, it appears Indonesia is now on the same side with OZ.



Again thanks to china


They should send their ships annually to our waters so that we could justify increase in defence spending.
Theoretically we could point our finger at china everytime there's a budget cuts.

Welcome back! :D
 
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LOL at the upset CCP-bot brigade here.

They don't have humour taste to begin with let alone feeling to touch the sarcastic remark i Made.
Obviously, you are not well educated. Giving/selling/trading sovereignty territory is considered treason in any country. You will have death penalty for that in Indonesia.
In reality, no one give a damn about Indonesia in China. All Chinese can recall is 1998 Indonesia massacred Chinese ethic. The general option is China was not strong enough back then, if it happens again, it will bomb the shit of Indonesia back to tribe age like Libya.

China don't have that kind of resolve to begin with if it is you will deal with Vietnam first as they are your immediate neighbour, second Indonesia is not a pushover you can bombing her back to stone age just like the Libya or Afghanistan. Third most Chinese is slave for money and Indonesia along with Asean bring more money to China compared to USA nowadays.

Most probably they will change it into H22M Caracal (EC 725) that is produced by PT Dirgantara Indonesia (under Airbus license) or the acquisition will be delayed until economy comes to normal again. Despite so the acquisition that look like not using TOT scheme actually violates our law and there could be some opposition coming from media and parliament if it goes through.

French-Armed-Forces-EC725-Caracal.jpg



Bullshit, caracal is not Indonesia Made helicopters as we are only provide some section as supplier parts.
 
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deal denied by Indo MOD?

I am quite glad i avoid the Chinese section. What a pathetic and disgusting display by the Chinese users, getting quite insecure i see.
pretty amature to generalize, if you have to get down there, I would like to introduce the infamous Mr MMME.
 
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deal denied by Indo MOD?


pretty amature to generalize, if you have to get down there, I would like to introduce the infamous Mr MMME.

There is a difference between individuals and brigadiers. Brigading speaks volumes about a community, individuals you cant draw concensus from. Instead of bitching and complaing about it to you fellow Chinese users, you went straight for me did you? Once again it just fits the mold and disgusting behaviour set by your compatriots. Your insecurities are open for the world to see, and we laugh at you for it :).
 
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There is a difference between individuals and brigadiers. Brigading speaks volumes about a community, individuals you cant draw concensus from. Instead of bitching and complaing about it to you fellow Chinese users, you went straight for me did you? Once again it just fits the mold and disgusting behaviour set by your compatriots. Your insecurities are open for the world to see, and we laugh at you for it :).
credit for your long paragraph.
 
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