Indonesia Maritime defence and security issue

[frequency]

could you please read the news in the previous pages? We aren't some barbaric people who blow up boats with crews still on board, our navy members boarded the boat, arrested the crews and confiscated the boat first, after proven guilty we blow up the ship and send the crews back to their home countries. And don't worry, we have been so kind in these last 10 years it costed us USD 30 bill annually, time for some payback.

Obviously when you blow up someone's boat using high explosives. Excessive forces, of course it's going to cost you money. A much more efficient way is to tell them to turn around and leave, but you would need to speak their language.

 

[Nike]

Obviously when you blow up someone's boat using high explosives. Excessive forces, of course it's going to cost you money. A much more efficient way is to tell them to turn around and leave, but you would need to speak their language.

excessive forces indeed, but we can't speak with human language anymore against them. Those thieves trying to sunk our local fishermen vessels when being reprimanded and even going so far by killing our officers.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Obviously when you blow up someone's boat using high explosives. Excessive forces, of course it's going to cost you money. A much more efficient way is to tell them to turn around and leave, but you would need to speak their language.

excessive forces indeed, but we can't speak with human language anymore against them. Those thieves trying to sunk our local fishermen vessels when being reprimanded and even going so far by killing our officers.

If only we are dealing with one, two or just three vessels, we can be more persuasive to them. Telling them to turn around and leave, just like you said.. The fact is, we are dealing with huge number... 5000 illegal vessels a year... doing any sort of illegal activities including illegal fishing, drug smuggling, human trafficking and covert piracy.

That's why, in previous administration, they even dare to attack our officer and kill him. No more we will tolerate this chaos. We will act firm to restore order on the sea.

 

[frequency]

If only we are dealing with one, two or just three vessels, we can be more persuasive to them. Telling them to turn around and leave, just like you said.. The fact is, we are dealing with huge number... 5000 illegal vessels a year... doing any sort of illegal activities including illegal fishing, drug smuggling, human trafficking and covert piracy.

That's why, in previous administration, they even dare to attack our officer and kill him. No more we will tolerate this chaos. We will act firm to restore order on the sea.

No wonder it costs you 30 billion/year because you keep using excessive forces and the procedure you use aren't efficient in dealing with 5000 illegal vessels/year. In the end, who the hell cares when your people are paying for it in tax money. Blow up the ones that really threatens you.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Obviously when you blow up someone's boat using high explosives. Excessive forces, of course it's going to cost you money. A much more efficient way is to tell them to turn around and leave, but you would need to speak their language.

Dynamite is dirt cheap...

 

[DarkElf]

No wonder it costs you 30 billion/year because you keep using excessive forces and the procedure you use aren't efficient in dealing with 5000 illegal vessels/year. In the end, who the hell cares when your people are paying for it in tax money. Blow up the ones that really threatens you.

This post is a good example how your previous advice is bound to failure. In the end some people simply don't want to listen/read to what other people said. Apparently you are one of them.

Obviously when you blow up someone's boat using high explosives. Excessive forces, of course it's going to cost you money. A much more efficient way is to tell them to turn around and leave, but you would need to speak their language.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

No wonder it costs you 30 billion/year because you keep using excessive forces and the procedure you use aren't efficient in dealing with 5000 illegal vessels/year. In the end, who the hell cares when your people are paying for it in tax money. Blow up the ones that really threatens you.

IUU cost us $B30 annually because we were soft. Law and order should be maintained, but in the past, law and order on the sea were neglected. Our ocean was a jungle, roam by all sort of poacher and pirates. Hard stance are taken only recently, and so far showing good result.

We will see in the near future, whether this approach showing a glowing result or no. For now, most of indonesian satisfied with government work for taking hard stance toward illegal activities on the sea.

 

[frequency]

IUU cost us $B30 annually because we were soft. Law and order should be maintained, but in the past, law and order on the sea were neglected. Our ocean was a jungle, roam by all sort of poacher and pirates. Hard stance are taken only recently, and so far showing good result.

We will see in the near future, whether this approach showing a glowing result or no. For now, most of indonesian satisfied with government work for taking hard stance on illegal activities on the sea.

Well, it's your government and people to decide.

This post is a good example how your previous advice is bound to failure. In the end some people simply don't want to listen/read to what other people said. Apparently you are one of them.

Not everyone will. I'm not seeking everyone to agree with my statement. Failure goes both ways.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Well, it's your government and people to decide.

Indeed, and i fully support my government decision.


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[Nike]

Dynamite is dirt cheap...

you just need about twenty to forty millions rupiahs to bought some explosive to blow an around three to four billion rupiahs fishing vessel

 

[pr1v4t33r]

you just need about twenty to forty millions rupiahs to bought some explosive to blow an around three to four billion rupiahs fishing vessel

Then we will only need around $M20 annually for blowing up 5000 illegal vessels valued around $B2, to save $B30 potential loss annually. And spend even less on the second years since there's no more illegal vessels to blown up.

Bravooo... isn't that just brilliant.


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[DarkElf]

Not everyone will. I'm not seeking everyone to agree with my statement. Failure goes both ways.

From 5000 ships of hardcore thieves, how many do you think will listen? Even before all the boat sinking, when the punishment only a slap on wrist, they already dared to kill the law enforcement when they got captured.

The thieves is raised, grow up, and teach in another nation and somehow when they got capture and the agreed upon law is apply to them it's Indonesian fault? Nice way to blame the victim.

 

[frequency]

From 5000 ships of hardcore thieves, how many do you think will listen? Even before all the boat sinking, when the punishment only a slap on wrist, they already dared to kill the law enforcement when they got captured.

The thieves is raised, grow up, and teach in another nation and somehow when they got capture and the agreed upon law is apply to them it's Indonesian fault? Nice way to blame the victim.

I don't play the blame game. But you could save more money when you did it differently yet still protecting your own territory. Like I said, blow them up when you really have to. JMHO.

 

[DarkElf]

I don't play the blame game. But you could save more money when you did it differently yet still protecting your own territory. Like I said, blow them up when you really have to. JMHO.

Try to practice what you preach. Please go advocate on your own country first to practice your much more efficient way, law enforcement (and military protecting your country territory) can only stop people by talking, no prison, no fine, no any kind of punishment. Just remember if you facing any difficulties that failure goes both ways.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

I don't play the blame game. But you could save more money when you did it differently yet still protecting your own territory. Like I said, blow them up when you really have to. JMHO.

Sometimes only hard measures can help solve a problem... By spending only $M20 on dynamite (for blowing up 5000 illegal vessels) we can save $B30 (potential loss from stolen fish) and destroying $2B poacher assets (5000 illegal vessels) so they can't keep doing what they have been doing for a long time.

In other words Indonesia will protect our own interest first. We don't care about the poacher, whatever countries they come from... Poacher will go bankrupt and they can go kill themselves from frustration, if they ever try to conduct illegal activities on our water...


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