What's new

Indonesia Defence Forum

Before purchase this real frigate .. can you give the list of potential enemy of Indonesia in this region? IOf CVhina is your main potential enemy in the next five years .. it is useless for Indonesia to buy this real frigate ... you will waste your money but get nothing ..

It would be better if you can make an alliance with South Korea, Japan, Australia,and other ASEAN countries such as Vietnam, PH, Singapore and Malaysia (led by USA) .. I think .. China will be more "gentle and respect" to you ...

Honestly speaking, many of our people in Malaysia and Singapore ..until now, still think that Indonesia is not our "genuine" friend (refer to our experience during confrontation) .. so, no wonder if Malaysia , Singapore and Brunei still continue to maintain FPDA to secure our country from possible military invasion from Indonesia ... For your info, the establishment of ASEAN still can't "elliminate" our "negative image" to your country ..


It is in the interest of Malaysia that Indonesia remains weak militarily and economically. The historical "konfrontasi Malaysia" will ALWAYS be used by Malaysia as a weapon to discredit Indonesia through the backdoor of many formal and informal international forums. Indonesia's "negative image" is constantly being nurtured and fed by Malaysia through diplomatic and media lobbying.

The modernization of Indonesia's military, death executions of foreign drug dealers, and clamping down illegal fishing by foreign trawlers are evidence that, unlike in the past, Indonesia do not care about it's "negative image" that it's neighbours perceive.

Sorry Putra bin UMNO, but your "negative image" thesis is sooooooo yesterday !!
 
.
KRI DIPONEGORO 365 , RIMPAC 2016

57976707a81bb787628b4568.jpg

visual identification
KRI-Diponegoro-365-Pimpin-Latihan-Anti-Kapal-Selam-di-Rimpac-2016-3.png

ROKS Lee Eok Gi
050037_432743_Tembak_Meriam.jpg

20 mm Vector G12


(Dispen Koarmatim)
 
.
Before purchase this real frigate .. can you give the list of potential enemy of Indonesia in this region? IOf CVhina is your main potential enemy in the next five years .. it is useless for Indonesia to buy this real frigate ... you will waste your money but get nothing ..

It would be better if you can make an alliance with South Korea, Japan, Australia,and other ASEAN countries such as Vietnam, PH, Singapore and Malaysia (led by USA) .. I think .. China will be more "gentle and respect" to you ...

Honestly speaking, many of our people in Malaysia and Singapore ..until now, still think that Indonesia is not our "genuine" friend (refer to our experience during confrontation) .. so, no wonder if Malaysia , Singapore and Brunei still continue to maintain FPDA to secure our country from possible military invasion from Indonesia ... For your info, the establishment of ASEAN still can't "elliminate" our "negative image" to your country ..

64159801.jpg
 
. .
Indonesia will sent a flight of F-16s from Pekanbaru AB to participate for a three week multilateral exercise Pitch Black 2016 in Australia . (Antara News).
20140725F-16-Hibah-Amerika-250714-fik-3.jpg
 
.
Insecurities are loud.
-----

Fundamentals of Guerilla Warfare by former Indonesian Military commander A.H. Nasution

FUNDAMENTALS+of+Guerilla+Warfare+-+idegokil.jpg


41rBzDjfKHL.jpg


Written by former Indonesian military commander, A.H. Nasution based on his experience leading Indonesian guerillas against foreign colonialist during stages of Indonesian war of Independence (1945-1949). Has been translated to many foreign language and studied by many foreign militaries and experts.

There are rumors that Mao Zedong and Ho Chi Minh has got their hands on this book.
 
Last edited:
. .
Insecurities are loud.
-----

Fundamentals of Guerilla Warfare by former Indonesian Military commander A.H. Nasution

FUNDAMENTALS+of+Guerilla+Warfare+-+idegokil.jpg


41rBzDjfKHL.jpg


Written by former Indonesian military commander, A.H. Nasution based on his experience leading Indonesian guerillas against foreign colonialist during stages of Indonesian war of Independence (1945-1949). Has been translated to many foreign language and studied by many foreign militaries and experts.

There are rumors that Mao Zedong and Ho Chi Minh has got their hands on this book.
Rumors only, If you ever read the book, General Nasution even stated that Vietnam has different guerrilla warfare tactics compares to Indonesia.

"......Maka oleh karena itu kita tak mampu menghadapkan tentara yang agak setara, sehingga kita harus melakukan semata-mata perang gerilya, tidak seperti misalnya di Tiongkok dan Vietnam, di mana di samping gerilya telah beraksi organisasi resimen-resimen dan divisi-divisi yang berangsur-angsur dapat jadi tenaga penggempur yang akhirnya merebut kota, sambil semakin mengusir musuh. Maka kita berperang gerilya bukanlah karena kita diharuskan, karena telah tidak mampu menyusun kekuatan yang berorganisasi sekadar modern, yang setara. Maka gerilya kita pun baru pada tingkatan melelahkan musuh, belum sampai dapat menghancurkannya walaupun bagian demi bagian..."
 
Last edited:
. . . .
There are no major change in your arm forces since 1945.. It look good and strong for your military parade only .. but, useless for a real war with other countries ... the incapability of TNI to counter a guerilla war by GAM etc supported it .....
RTSJOQQ.jpg
Really....!!??
Do you think there will be a nation called malaysia if not the british and all of comonwealth come to rescued malaysia back in the 60's and if sukarno not being replace by suharto at that time, what would you think gonna happen.....
 
.
There are no major change in your arm forces since 1945.. It look good and strong for your military parade only .. but, useless for a real war with other countries ... the incapability of TNI to counter a guerilla war by GAM etc supported it .....
RTSJOQQ.jpg
:butcher:

Su27/30 Indonesia Airforce.
 

Attachments

  • CkZkZ6kVEAAxS2e.jpg
    CkZkZ6kVEAAxS2e.jpg
    61 KB · Views: 216
.
taken from
Back to the Barracks: Getting the Indonesian Military Out of Politics, 1998-2000
a case studies by Tristan Dreisbach

https://successfulsocieties.princet...ng-indonesian-military-out-politics-1998-2000

Indonesia’s military was able to implement early reforms quickly—in part because it was an institution in which changes could be ordered from the top. In a disciplined military, soldiers respect the orders of their superiors, even if they do not personally agree with them. “In the military, it’s unlike a political organization where you have an open debate,” said Agus Widjojo, who drafted the New Paradigm document while an officer at military headquarters. “The structure of the organization is a command hierarchy. So, if it is ordered by the commanding general, that’s good enough.”

The military had broad freedom to pursue initial reforms on its own, without much negotiation with civilians. Civil society was interested primarily in socioeconomic issues and the basic elements of democratization, and it paid less attention to institutional changes in the military. That distinction may have smoothed the way for initial reforms because the changes required no public discussion.

Widjojo emphasized that the initial reform agenda had come from within the military, not from the outside, and he said that that was a key to its success. “The politicians were in confusion,” Widjojo said. “The politicians were not concerned with the military, so the military had the luxury of drawing the blueprint for reform by ourselves. There was a de facto vacuum of political authority overseeing the military then.”

In a situation that involved activist military officers, the absence of civilian involvement likely helped streamline the early reform process. “Reform is most likely to succeed when it is initiated from within an institution. Reform cannot be forced by external elements,” Widjojo said. “The military took advantage of an opportunity. Reform was initiated by the military and decided in the small circle of its headquarters, and once it was decided, it was directly implemented as a command policy.”

Sudrajat, who was a lieutenant general when the reforms began, also said military reform driven from within the armed forces was an important reason for Indonesia’s success in moving from authoritarianism to a more democratic system. Civilians, he stressed, could not have initiated the changes by themselves. “The inner core of the reform is in the military,” he said. “If the military didn’t agree, how big would the push from civilians be? They could easily have been dominated by the military.”

“The reform had come from very few generals,” Sudrajat said. “But the military is the military, and the subordinates had to follow what their superiors said.” Once a few top leaders were on board, the reforms could be implemented.

“Even the process of reform itself was discussed [primarily] in the circles of the headquarters of the commanding general and his commanding assistants,” Widjojo said.


Military officers’ foreign training, too, had a positive impact on the reform process. Indonesia benefited from a group of officers who had had years of exposure to other military cultures and institutions. Several officers said such background was an important aspect in their desire to develop the Indonesian military into an institution that respected the norms of civilian-military relations witnessed in the United States, Australia, and other democratic countries.

The reform process also benefited from an approach that was more evolutionary than revolutionary. Because the early reform agenda was gradual, the changes did not stir the resistance of conservative officers who could become spoilers. Instead of erasing the dualfunction system by eliminating the military’s nondefense role, the reform plan instead called for the armed forces to play a less-active role in Indonesian political and social life. The internal reforms the military pursued from 1998 to 2000 helped pave the way for civilians to implement further reforms in subsequent years.

Predictable problems emerged from civilians’ lack of knowledge in the area of defense issues, a deficiency that stemmed from the closed nature of the long-running Suharto dictatorship. Because military officers perceived that lack of relevant knowledge among civilian policy makers, cooperation was problematic. “It’s a huge problem because you cannot lead a defense institution if you don’t understand defense issues,” said Kiki Syahnakri, a retired lieutenant general who served as the army’s deputy chief of staff from 2000 to 2002. Sudrajat said he shared Kiki’s concern. “We need real civilian capacity for sitting at the table designing how the military should be,” he said. “So far, our backbone consists of those who graduated from military academies. We need a backbone coming from universities. We’re working on it, but it takes time.”

Widjojo said more could have been done to enhance civilian capacity in government. “You have to prepare for the situation after the reform,” he said. “You have to prepare the capacity of the institutions that will replace the military or that will undertake those roles that before the reform, the military had. We were late in this.”

Factors Contributing to Success Following orders:
  1. The Indonesian military was already professional in major respects. Officers in the Indonesian military respected the command hierarchy and followed orders from their superiors. Even if some did not personally agree with the reforms that the leading generals implemented, they did not contradict their commanding officers. In less-disciplined armed forces, there might have been more resistance to change within military institutions.
  2. Internal will to reform: At the time of Suharto’s resignation, advocates for reform held positions in the armed forces hierarchy overseeing the political role of the Indonesian military and the development of military doctrine. Although Wiranto did not strongly champion reform, he was pragmatic and willing to listen. Without a will to change from within the military, the armed forces could have acted as a spoiler by disrupting civilian-led efforts to reform the military-dominated political system that was in place under Suharto.
  3. Gradual approach to reform: Instead of pursuing a reform agenda that would have rapidly eliminated all of the military’s political and economic privileges, military and civilian leaders took a more gradual approach. Although it meant that important problems in civilian-military relations would remain unaddressed for at least the short term, it diminished opposition from conservative officers. The military and civilian leaders began with a set of reforms that made important changes to the relationship between the military and the civilian government, but they refrained from taking on the military’s economic interests or immediately eliminating the military’s representation in parliament.
 
.
There are no major change in your arm forces since 1945.. It look good and strong for your military parade only .. but, useless for a real war with other countries ... the incapability of TNI to counter a guerilla war by GAM etc supported it .....
RTSJOQQ.jpg

I will keep on promoting the origin of the name "Malaysia", a defect Asian country which national flag is a cheap rip-off version of the U.S. flag.


"The origin of the name 'Malaysia'.

The name Malaysia comes from the word 'mal-Asia' or 'malasia' with the prefix "mal-". Google to any dictionaries, and you will find the prefix "mal-" means "bad or badly; wrong or wrongly; imperfect or defective."

You may know words like malnutrition, malfunction, malpractice, and so forth. So malasia means "wrong Asia", "bad Asia" or " defective Asia".

So that's a little historical truth about the the name 'Malaysia' which originated from the word mal-Asia, a defective Asian country
."
 
.

Latest posts

Back
Top Bottom