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IT's kinda like our MPAC

Indeed, they are in the same class. In Indonesia, it's the army that 1st introduce this boat few years ago, with code name: KMC Komando. Our navy use this boat just recently, during Komodo exercise 2016.

The difference between the Army & Navy boats are the speed (army up to 35knot, navy up to 50knot), the shipbuilders (Army / Tesco Indomaritim, Navy / Palindo marine), and the armament.

Army's KMC Komando boat
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Indeed, they are in the same class. In Indonesia, it's the army that 1st introduce this boat few years ago, with code name: KMC Komando. Our navy use this boat just recently, during Komodo exercise 2016.

The difference between the Army & Navy boats are the speed (army up to 35knot, navy up to 50knot), the shipbuilders (Army / Tesco Indomaritim, Navy / Palindo marine), and the armament.

Army's KMC Komando boat
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So it Army ship i guess your going to use it Revine operations? or you have a different version for Sea operation
 
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So it Army ship i guess your going to use it Revine operations? or you have a different version for Sea operation

The army use it for riverine and island hopping patrol, since many of the army personnel are stationed on remote islands as Indonesia have thousands of islands to be guarded. This boats are quite sophisticated and well armed for the task.

The navy just recently introduce this class into service, the first appearence was on Komodo Multilateral Naval Exercise 2016, few weeks ago. Actually i don't have much info regarding the detail spec, but the navy's boat can hit 50knot max speed, while the army's boat can only go up to 35knot.

This boat can also be stationed inside LPD' welldeck for naval operation. I think we can easily put 3 units KMC Komando boats inside LPD Makassar class.

Navy's KMC Komando boat
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china is posible future threat, why still buy from china? you see nasams, nasams is not budget option

Why still buy? Ask our MOD :D

Yg ane tau tim Adalugri sudah kesana buat cek barang, Nassams butuh minimal 350$ dan maksimal 600$, 350$ itu hanya platformnya sajah. Nah cina dikabarkan bisa ngasih platform dan missilesnya. Overall masih lebih murah, Amraam buat F16 ajah belum sign contract Cmiiw

Disamping itu Pak RR seperti biasa ingin kerjasama dan ToT buat Merad ini :D

https://www.kemhan.go.id/2016/04/24...-kerjasama-teknologi-industri-pertahanan.html
 
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Indonesia's Strategic Choice
http://thediplomat.com/2016/05/indonesias-strategic-choice/

The Indonesian military (TNI) and the strategic perspectives of the Indonesian political leadership have been shaped by a tumultuous history of domestic security challenges. Indonesia is a sprawling archipelago of thousands of islands and hundreds of more or less distinct ethnic communities. That geography and ethnography virtually guarantee that national unity and stability will be an enduring preoccupation of any Indonesian government.

With the advent of Suharto’s New Order Regime out of the bloody events of 1965, the TNI became the domestic security arm of a regime that prioritized the economic development and modernization of Indonesia. This internal focus was enabled by the remarkable, if relative, peace and security enjoyed by Southeast Asia from the mid- 1970s through the first decade of the 21st century. The profile that emerges of the TNI during this period is army-dominated, relatively low-tech, with a notably modest budget supplemented by substantial military involvement in business enterprises. In conformance with dwifungsi, the TNI had significant administrative and political influence. Indonesia’s external maritime environment, including the South China Sea, was simply a non-factor in Jakarta’s strategic thinking.

Indonesia was profoundly shaken by two related events at the end of the 1990s – the Asian Financial Crisis and the collapse of the Suharto regime. But the subsequent decade and a half were marked by a remarkable national recovery constructing a political democracy and an increasingly productive economy.

In terms of national security, a clear set of preferences emerged. Indonesia would be a regional leader working through the Association of Southeast Asian Nations. Beyond ASEAN, Indonesian policy would seek cordial and constructive relations with China – reflected in an increasingly robust economic relationship. The United States would be welcome as an economic and security partner but there would always be a certain reserve on Jakarta’s part – keep the Americans nearby but not too close.

Concerns about territorial disputes in the South China Sea would bemanaged by: (1) affirming that Indonesia was not a claimant in those disputes; (2) offering Indonesia’s services as a mediator and facilitator; and (3) championing ASEAN’s proposal for a binding “Code of Conduct” that would eschew coercion and conflict to be signed by all interested parties in the South China Sea.

This set of propositions enjoyed consensus support among policy and political elites in Jakarta. There was, however, an increasingly evident problem. China did not respond as hoped in the South China Sea. Instead of agreeing to a Code of Conduct, China asserted territorial ambitions that included “indisputable sovereignty” over the South China Sea – backed up with rapidly growing naval and quasi-naval deployments and the seizure and construction of island features. On several occasions over the last four years, Chinese maritime police reportedly used threats of force to protect Chinese fishermen operating in Indonesia’s EEZ.

The implications of this dramatic transformation of the strategic landscape were underlined by a very recent sequence of events in March, when the Indonesian Navy detained and arrested a Chinese fishing vessel and crew operating well within the Indonesian Exclusive Economic Zone off Natuna Island. As Indonesia began towing the Chinese boat toward port, a Chinese Maritime Enforcement vessel intervened and forced the Indonesians to surrender the boat. The fishermen, however, remain in Indonesian custody. China has demanded their return claiming they were operating lawfully in “traditional Chinese fishing grounds.” The Indonesian response has revealed a degree of strategic disarray in Jakarta. The Minister for Maritime Affairs accused China of supporting illegal fishing in Indonesian waters and demanded the Chinese boat be handed over. However, the Deputy Foreign Minister stressed “that Indonesia and China do not have a border problem.”

But the two countries do have a border problem and large Chinese fishing fleets are routinely entering Indonesia’s EEZ protected by the Chinese “Coast Guard” backed by the Navy. Meanwhile Indonesia remains committed to the proposition that it is not a party to the South China Sea disputes and seeks to be an honest broker working through ASEAN.

Bluntly put, the new Jokowi administration faces an unwanted strategic choice – forced upon it by events. Indonesia can sidestep the dispute with Beijing by accepting China’s contention that it has traditional fishing rights off Natuna and offer to sign a formal agreement recognizing those rights. The net effect would be both economic and strategic. Economically, Indonesia already estimates that it loses up to $5 billion annually to foreign fishing fleets operating in Indonesian waters. That number will do nothing but increase. (Whether fishing fleets from other countries could claim similar “traditional rights” would be an interesting question).

Strategically, Indonesia would truly become a non-claimant and nonparticipant in the South China Sea. Jakarta could continue to offer its services as an honest broker — an effort already marked by years of futility. The most far-reaching effect would be to foreclose future Indonesian strategic leadership of Southeast Asia.

The second strategic option would require Indonesia to assert its national and territorial interests knowing and defying Chinese objections. Such a stance would include a formal statement from the President (to give Indonesian strategy one voice) that continued unauthorized fishing by foreign fleets, including Chinese, in Indonesia’s EEZ would be illegal under international and Indonesian law and, if supported by a foreign government, would be viewed as an unfriendly, even hostile, act.

Steps to give such a policy credibility would include: (1) seeking a common understanding with Vietnam, Malaysia, and the Philippines regarding mutual EEZ demarcations and rights; (2) invest as rapidly as possible in maritime military surface and air assets to monitor and patrol Indonesian waters; (3) initiate accelerated cooperation with the United States and Japan as sources for concessional procurement of military and reconnaissance platforms; (4) give priority to a program of joint naval exercises with the U.S. Navy; and (5) consider seeking a formal legal judgment from the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea concerning EEZ rights and access.

The latter set of options would put Indonesia in a very different place strategically than it has been over the six-plus decades since Merdeka(independence). It would also transform Indonesia’s relations with China (for the worse) and the United States (for the better). It would require a radical reworking of the software and hardware of the TNI – a new TNI would see itself as externally focused with a primary maritime mission. That would require a much modernized Navy (TNI-AL) with greatly expanded littoral capabilities. The Indonesian government would need to abandon treasured illusions, i.e. the honest broker and the ASEAN Code of Conduct. It would mean an end to policy paralysis due to an unattainable requirement for ASEAN consensus. Finally, it would mean that President Jokowi’s stated concept of “Indonesia as a Global Maritime Axis” would be taken seriously and would set in motion a real effort to defend Indonesia’s maritime borders and resources.

Marvin Ott is a visiting professor at Johns Hopkins University and a senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Mick Zloof is a research assistant at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.
 
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china is posible future threat, why still buy from china? you see nasams, nasams is not budget option

Nothing is set in stone, from threat to friend, from friend to foe. We shape our geopolitical relation based on our own national interest. We shouldn't be caught in others snare, others geopolitical agenda.


Komodo Multilateral Naval Exercise 2016
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An unmanned aerial vehicle undergoes a test by the Indonesian Military Airworthiness Authority (IMAA) in Bandung, (26/04). The unmanned aircraft, nicknamed Wulung, is built by Dirgantara Indonesia to be used in intelligence operations.

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VP Kalla sees off first export of Indonesian warship
Minggu, 8 Mei 2016 16:25 WIB | 503 Views
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Vice President M. Jusuf Kalla while inaugurating the first export of warships made by PT PAL Indonesia to the Philippines at Pier Boat Division of Commerce, the Port of Tanjung Perak, Surabaya, East Java, on Sunday (May 8, 2016). (ANTARA/Zabur Karuru)

Surabaya (ANTARA News) - Vice President M. Jusuf Kalla officially launched the first Indonesian warship export to the Philippines on Sunday.

The BRP TARLAC (LD-601) warship of the LD-601 Strategic Sealift Vessel type was the first of its kind ordered by the Philippine defense ministry.

Kalla saw off the ship at the commercial ship division pier of Tanjung Perak Port, East Java, on Sunday.

The vice president said he appreciated very much the state-owned ship-building company PT PAL for its ability to finish the construction of the fist on time.

PT PAL had to compete tightly to win the international tender for the building of the warship.

"This is something to be proud of that the Indonesian people could export a sophisticated and good ship. All this can be done with serious, focused and hard work," the vice president said.

He said that the export marked the success of PT PAL in mastering technology. PT PAL has been existing since a long time in Indonesia.

"I highly appreciate it because with the ability to build ships the countrys sea areas can be transformed into bridges to unite the nation. But for this, sea transportation means should be good and the maritime areas become the object of development," the vice president said.

He asked PT PAL to continue developing its technology by entering the world markets.

"I hope that PT PAL would be able to win the economy in the shipping world. This should be won because we cannot only beg it," the vice president said.

Earlier, PT PAL President Director Firmansyah Arifin said the first warship export attracted the attention of representatives of a number of countries, including the middle east countries.

"A number of representatives from European and Middle East countries are interested to place orders of the SSV type ship. We hope this would lift the image of Indonesia in the world," he said.

After sailing to Manila for several days, the ship is scheduled to be transferred to the Philippine ministry of defense on Friday, May 13, 2016.

The Philippines has ordered two strategic sealift vessels and it is one of them that was delivered Sunday.

The ships have developed a landing platform dock and the two are worth Rp1 trillion.

The ship, measuring 123 meters in length, 21.8 meters in width, with a speed of 16 knots, is capable of sailing for 30 days on the high seas. It was first launched by Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs Rizal Ramli and defense minister Ryamizard Ryacudu in January this year.

After the final touches that include painting some parts of the ships body it will be officially handed over to the Philippines defense ministry on Sunday and be used by them.

The second ship is expected to be delivered in September this year.

"We will roll out the second SSV ordered by the Philippines in September 2016," President Director of PT PAL Indonesia, M Firmansyah Arifin said.

The SSV is a sophisticated ship of a Lloyd Register class made by the nation and will be the first warship exported by the country, he said.

The ship is capable of carrying two helicopters and a landing craft utility as well as a number of tanks and military trucks, he said.
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History of Indonesian Army tanks

M4 Sherman

Indonesian Army (TNI-AD) has operated ex-British M4A3 Shermans in the past. These M4 were carried by British when they launched a military campaign in order to avenge the death of General Mallaby, who being killed by grenade attack in Surabaya. The British bringing in 21 Shermans to the infamous Battle of Surabaya, where hundreds of thousands Indonesians killed when trying to defend the republic.


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Allied forces M4 Sherman on defile in Surabaya, 1946

After withdrawal of British armies, the Dutch openly invading the republic (Operatie Kraai) and used the leftover Shermans from British. Later, after Dutch formally acknowledge the Republic of Indonesia, TNI-AD acquire the Shermans to form their first cavalry, unknown how long the Shermans continued to serve the army.

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M4 Shermans of KKO (now Marine Corps), credit :Indomiliter


AMX-13

AMX 13 Light tanks acquired by Indonesian Army in large numbers during 1960's era. almost 400 units AMX's of many variants (Light tank, APC, recovery, howitzer, etc) forming the bulk of TNI-AD's cavalry until now. serving for almost four decade, this light tanks has undergo many modernisation. These tanks are estimated to be replaced by Pindad's medium tank project.


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AMX-13 modernized with 105mm gun, armor, engines, etc. Several ordered by TNI as a gap until the arrival of Leopard 2's.
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AMX-VCI modernised by Pindad, credit to : pengamatliar

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AMX Self-propeled artillery variant with 105mm gun. Rumored to be withdrawn from frontline service after arrival of Caesar 155mm Howitzer. Recently, TNI-AD also hints interest to acquire ex-belgium M109. credit to original uploader.


Scorpion 90

First ordered in 1994 and arrived on 1997-1999. 123 unit Scorpion Tank (FV101) 90 mm, Stormer APC ( Armored Personel Carrier/ FV103 Spartan), Stormer Recovery (FV106 Samson) equipped by the elite Army Strategic Reserve Command (Kostrad). These tanks soon to be superseded by Leopard 2A4/Revolution.

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FV101 Scorpion 90mm, credit to original uploader

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Stormer Logistic variant.

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Stormer APC variant.


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source: Indomiliter, Google
 
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History of Indonesian Army tanks (2)

About tanks, TNI-AD has it own long-term plan. Such as acquiring handful of Leopard 2's to forming doctrine and strategy of armoured warfare, Joint RnD and production of medium tank with Turkey.
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With 105mm gun (which can be adjusted to 120mm) and weighing 25-30 tonnes, this medium battle tank designed to be perfectly suited for Indonesia's archipelagic soil.

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Although the prototype are yet to be revealed, the medium tank are expected to similiar with the picture above.

Compared to other neighbors (Singapore, Australia and Vietnam), Indonesia is still need to learn more about doctrine and strategy of MBT's and armoured warfare.


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Indonesia's Deputy Defence Minister, Sjafrie Syamsuddin (now retired) briefed about the capability of Leopard 2SG at Sungei Gedong Camp
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