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[Nike]

Indonesia, Japan to form maritime forum
Senin, 23 Maret 2015 21:05 WIB | 925 Views

Tokyo (ANTARA News) - Indonesia and Japan have agreed to form a maritime forum for the two countries to develop cooperation in security, industry and infrastructure in the field.

During his working visit to Japan, President Joko Widodo met with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in his office on Monday, and following the meeting, they revealed in a joint statement that they had agreed to set up a maritime forum.

"We exchanged ideas regarding issues related to the interests of both nations, including the setting up of an official-level maritime forum as a new initiative," President Joko Widodo said.

He added that as common democracies and maritime countries in Asia, Indonesia and Japan would increase their strategic relations.

He hoped Indonesia would further develop and play a more important role both in the region and internationally.

Abe welcomed Joko Widodos appreciation of Japan, which Indonesia considers a democratic and peaceful country that has contributed significantly to its economy.

Moreover, President Joko Widodo noted that the two countries had also agreed to cooperate in the fields of defense, trade, and investment promotion.

The Indonesian head of state is currently in Japan on a working visit, which will later be followed by a visit to China to expand cooperation in various fields.(*)

Indonesia, Japan to form maritime forum - ANTARA News

 

[Indos]

Su 35 radar capability is similar like AWACS

"AWACSs today like E-2C Hawkeye 2000 and E-3C are capable to the detect the target of RCS = 1m2 class 250~300 km away." Taken from Manticore.

RCS OF Different Fighters

But, personally we should wait our KFX/IFX in term of adding another 3 new squadron. Just look at the RCS of our KFX/IFX is 0.01 m2. (Frontal). No need to rush.

 

[baukiki88]

Su 35 radar capability is similar like AWACS

"AWACSs today like E-2C Hawkeye 2000 and E-3C are capable to the detect the target of RCS = 1m2 class 250~300 km away." Taken from Manticore.

RCS OF Different Fighters

But, personally we should wait our KFX/IFX in term of adding another 3 new squadron. Just look at the RCS of our KFX/IFX is 0.01 m2. (Frontal). No need to rush.

The 4 skuadron better be:

1 sk Su35, 1 sk F-16 Viper or Rafale or typhoon, 2 sk Pak fa.

then later on 2019-2025, 50 KFX as reported by SIPRI.

The Pak Fa is a must by 2019. Is pak fa ready for export next year or 2017 ??

 

[Nike]

PAKFA been reduced in order and priority, and more efforts is geared to upgrading the capability and production rate of Su-35 instead as the much matured platform

 

[pr1v4t33r]

With operational cost comes to play, plus the logistical and infrastructure development cost to maintain the squadrons, and the need to keep our single engine fighter squadrons to fulfil the workhorse role in 3 operational area following the KOGABWILHAN plan, here is my guess...

This configuration looks pretty good
3 Sqn Su27/30/35 (2 new Su35 sqn, get TOT)
3 Sqn F16 minimum Block 52ID (workhorse)
3 Sqn IFX (replacing hawk & 10 F16 A/B above 2024)
1 Sqn S.Tucano
1 Sqn T50i
.

 

[Indos]

The 4 skuadron better be:

1 sk Su35, 1 sk F-16 Viper or Rafale or typhoon, 2 sk Pak fa.

then later on 2019-2025, 50 KFX as reported by SIPRI.

The Pak Fa is a must by 2019. Is pak fa ready for export next year or 2017 ??

Aside of Su 35 capabilities ( and their potential long upgrade/ considering the air frame ( 30 years life time and full composite). There are other benefits of acquiring Su 35:

With the vast territory that we have, it is better to have all of the new 3 squadron with Su 35. In the future there might be some conflict with Malaysia/ Singapore/ Australia as well ( who knows ), so it is a better platform to avoid any future embargo in time when the conflict arise and we need to use it in long war situation.

Beside that, with long range capability of Su 35, it will also benefit us if SCS conflict get widen and we must use it for deep strike to enemy base/ aircraft carrier. ( just a scenario of course ).

But as what I have said again and again, no need to rush. Just buy this Su 35 first, test them, and see whether these planes are still needed while KFX/IFX program is already operational and whether it can act as a complementary of KFX/IFX or not. We can add that if Su 35 fits that condition, if not better wait KFX program to fill many of our new squadrons. We need to see potential war scenario until 2024, as far as I see China is not going to take us into their conflict, they need us to secure their second sea trade route if SCS conflict become a reality. Beside that, economically speaking, our market is big, so just a bloody mistake wanting to force their 9 dot line into us. (eating our ZEE)

Talking about PAKFA, we dont know yet what will be the outcome of that project, meanwhile Su 35 has already been tested for so long.

With operational cost comes to play, plus the logistical and infrastructure development cost to maintain the squadrons, here my guess. We also need to maintain our single engine fighter jets squadrons to fulfil the workhorse role in 3 operational area following the KOGABWILHAN plan.

This configuration looks pretty good
3 Sqn Su27/30/35 (2 new Su35 sqn, get TOT)
3 Sqn F16 minimum Block 52ID (workhorse)
3 Sqn IFX (replacing hawk & 10 F16 block A/B above 2024)
1 Sqn S.Tucano
1 Sqn T50i
.

Yup, this one is quite perfect. Still use US platform, cheaper in acquisition, maintenance, and operational cost. Maintaining relationship with USA, and in the same time, it (Refurbished F-16) will be replaced soon by KFX/IFX starting in 2030 time. This will give more chance to PT Dirgantara to prolong the production line of IFX as well. BTW, I still insist for us to get substantial TOT from this deal (Refurbished F-16 Block 52). If not, no way.

 

[baukiki88]

With operational cost comes to play, plus the logistical and infrastructure development cost to maintain the squadrons, here my guess. We also need to maintain our single engine fighter jets squadrons to fulfil the workhorse role in 3 operational area following the KOGABWILHAN plan.

This configuration looks pretty good
3 Sqn Su27/30/35 (2 new Su35 sqn, get TOT)
3 Sqn F16 minimum Block 52ID (workhorse)
3 Sqn IFX (replacing hawk & 10 F16 block A/B above 2024)
1 Sqn S.Tucano
1 Sqn T50i
.

I thought the 50 ifx is addtional squadron other than the proposed 11 skuadron?

I thought KSAU said by 2019 they need 11 skuadron ? as said below:

DEFENSE STUDIES: KSAU Sampaikan Penambahan Skuadron Udara Hingga 2019

that means 11 skuadron by 2019 + 50 KFX by 2024.

That is why anatranews.com said they will buy F5 replacement + 3 new squadron.

 

[Nike]

KFX is for replacement programme (intended to replace the hawks and Falcon OCU)
F-35 is intended to replace the old Flanker in Makassar, someday


meanwhile there is another squadrons need for Kohaudnas, and likely it will be fullfiled after 2024.

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

Credit : antara foto

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

French jet fighters in town to woo Defense Ministry, Air Force
Nani Afrida, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | National | Tue, March 24 2015, 6:08 PM

National News

Two Dessault Rafale jet fighters from the French Air Force are in Jakarta to seduce Indonesia into purchasing the multirole jets to replace the Indonesian Air Force's ageing American-made Northrop F-5 Tiger E/F II jet fighters.

“The jets flew directly to Indonesia after attending the 2015 Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace [LIMA] exhibition in Malaysia,” Air Force chief spokesman Air Commodore Hadi Tjahjanto told The Jakarta Post in Jakarta on Tuesday.

The visiting jet fighters arrived at Halim Perdanakusuma airport on Monday. On Tuesday, the jet fighters, a Rafale B double-seater and a Rafale C single-seater, performed solo demos for officials from the Defense Ministry and Air Force officers.

The two jet fighters were accompanied by an Airbus A400M heavy transport aircraft and a KC-135 tanker aircraft.

Rafale, made by French aerospace firm Dassault Aviation, came to Jakarta as the French airframer was aware that Indonesia is planning to replace its fleet of F-5 E/F.

“Rafale jets will demo their abilities for Indonesian pilots and Air Force officers until Thursday,” Hadi said.

The French jet fighter is entering a tough competition, locking horns with a stable of other contenders including the Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35, American-made F-16 Block 60, Swedish-made Saab JAS-39 Gripen and Eurofighter Typhoon, a collaboration between Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK.

The Air Force has repeatedly said it prefers the Su-35, the latest iteration of the Flanker family of jet fighters, although the final decision will be made by the Defense Ministry.

“Any jet fighter is ok for the Air Force, as long as the jet fighters can meet our requirement, which is that they come from the 4.5 Generation,” Hadi said. (nvn)(+++)

- See more at: French jet fighters in town to woo Defense Ministry, Air Force | The Jakarta Post

 

[Dante]

What are you talkin about?.....there is a need to replace the F5 ASAP, so this problem need to be dealt with

Waiting means delay and delay means a shrinking CAP coverage and low readiness

there is also no guaranty that KFX will be on schedule, though I'm fairly optimistic on this program

So your idea on "no need to rush" is misleading and wrong

Su 35 radar capability is similar like AWACS

"AWACSs today like E-2C Hawkeye 2000 and E-3C are capable to the detect the target of RCS = 1m2 class 250~300 km away." Taken from Manticore.

RCS OF Different Fighters

But, personally we should wait our KFX/IFX in term of adding another 3 new squadron. Just look at the RCS of our KFX/IFX is 0.01 m2. (Frontal). No need to rush.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

 

[baukiki88]

France ready to give RI
technology transfer
Novan Iman Santosa, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | World | Thu, March 26 2015, 7:35 AM

France asserted on Wednesday that it was willing to provide an industrial cooperation with Indonesia should the Dassault Rafale jet fighter be selected to modernize the Indonesian Air Force.

French Ambassador to Indonesia Corinne Breuzé said that France was open to all cooperation possibilities involving French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation and state-owned aircraft maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI).

“With the support of the French government, Dassault is open to any possibility of partnerships and transfer technology,” she said in a prepared statement.

Other than technology transfer, she said that being 100 percent French, the Rafale would allow its users independence. “It is designed with Safran/Snecma for the engine, Thales for the avionics and MBDA for the armament,” she said.

Breuzé was speaking at an event to introduce the French jet fighter to the Indonesian public, at the Halim Perdanakusuma Air Force Base in East Jakarta.

She said that the decision to bring the Rafale to Jakarta, despite a high level of operational engagement especially in Iraq, was made by the French defense minister and air force following a courtesy call from Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu, who met his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian on March 10.

Ryamizard also visited the Rafale’s assembly line in Bordeaux-Merignac during the March visit.

Two Rafale jet fighters, a Rafale B double-seater and a Rafale C single-seater, arrived on Monday from the just-concluded 2015 Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) exhibition in Malaysia.

On Tuesday, the jet fighters performed three flights for Indonesian Air Force pilots who flew on the Rafale B, taking the back seat.

There was also a solo aerobatic display performed by Capt. Benoit Blanche of the French Air Force.

The Rafale is a latecomer in the competition to replace the aging American-made F-5 E/F Tiger II operated by the Indonesian Air Force.

The French jet fighter is facing tough competition, locking horns with a stable of other contenders including the Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35, American-made F-16 Block 60, Swedish-made Saab JAS-39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon, a collaboration between Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK.

The Indonesian Air Force has repeatedly said it prefers the Su-35, the latest iteration of the Flanker family of jet fighters, although the final decision will be made by the Defense Ministry.

Meanwhile, Dassault Aviation executive vice president for America, Africa and Asia military sales JPHP Chabriol told The Jakarta Post that the best example of French will to transfer technology was India, which selected the Rafale.

He said that from an order of 126 units, 18 were supposed to be produced in France and the rest to be produced locally by Indian industries through progressive transfer of technology.

“From French authorities’ point of view as well as from French industry, there is no limitation to transfer technologies of the Rafale to friendly foreign countries,” he said.

“The only constraints we have are linked to the budgetary aspect, good sense and cost efficiency.”

He said Dassault and all associated French companies were quite open to discussions with Indonesian actors to set up a program that suited Indonesian requirements.

“We are not imposing anything; we are ready for discussion to define what is the optimized scheme of transfer of technology in the framework of the Rafale bid,” Chabriol said.

Other than technology transfer, Chabriol emphasized that Indonesia would get total independence if it selected the Rafale because, as it is a 100-percent French product, Indonesia would not have to deal with a third party.

Another advantage of buying the Rafale, he added, was that it could be deployed with very minimal logistical support.

- See more at: France ready to give RI technology transfer | The Jakarta Post

 

[initial_d]

Su 35 radar capability is similar like AWACS

"AWACSs today like E-2C Hawkeye 2000 and E-3C are capable to the detect the target of RCS = 1m2 class 250~300 km away." Taken from Manticore.

RCS OF Different Fighters

But, personally we should wait our KFX/IFX in term of adding another 3 new squadron. Just look at the RCS of our KFX/IFX is 0.01 m2. (Frontal). No need to rush.

Are you serious saying that we should wait forming new 3 ska when the PRC is in our door step??!! Thats mad, my thought is we should create at least 5 new ska( a full one fighter wing, comprises of 80 fighter) between 2015-2020 time lines, and another 5 new fighter squadron's in 2020-2025, the IFX will replace our F-16 and Su-27 when it is ready in 2025 onward.

 

[Nike]

President Jokowi arrives in Beijing for three-day visit
Rabu, 25 Maret 2015 21:07 WIB | 745 Views

President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) with First Lady Iriana Widodo. (ANTARA)

Beijing (ANTARA News) - President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) arrived at the Beijing Capital International Airport on Wednesday to start his three-day state visit to China.

The president and his entourage arrived at the airport at 6:30 p.m. local time. Several officials, including Indonesian Ambassador to China Sugeng Rahardjo and Chinese Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Liu Zhen Min, greeted the Indonesian head of state upon arrival.

Shortly after his arrival, President Jokowi went straight to St. Regis Hotel in Beijing.

On Thursday, Jokowi is scheduled to inspect the Metro Subway in Beijing and visit the Great Hall of the People to meet Chinese President Xi Jinping and Madame Peng Liyuan.

During the course of his meeting with the Chinese president, both countries will sign a cooperation agreement.

President Jokowis entourage includes First Lady Iriana Joko Widodo, Coordinating Minister for Economic Affairs Sofyan Djalil, Foreign Affairs Minister Retno L. P. Marsudi, Trade Minister Rachmat Gobel, State Enterprises Minister Rini Soemarno, Cabinet Secretary Andi Widjajanto, Chief of the National Defense Forces (TNI) General Moeldoko, and Chief of the Investment Coordinating Board Franky Sibarani.

Jokowi is visiting China on the second leg of his tour of three Asian nations, which also includes Japan and Malaysia.

While in China, Jokowi and his entourage will fly to Hainan to attend a business meeting on March 27, before leaving for Malaysia.

(Reported by Hanni Sofia Soepardi/Uu.INE/KR-BSR/B003)

President Jokowi arrives in Beijing for three-day visit - ANTARA News

ROKS Dae Jo Yong visiting Jakarta today (Dae Jo Yong is a Chunmugang Yi Shun Shin class destroyer of ROKN)