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I think our chance to have F-35 evaporate the day we reject US base offer.
our politicians need to get rid some mindset which says we were pretty girl contested by 2 stud, those behaviour need to be ended, everyone needs comitment
Be very careful with your political nuances statement there . Wether LBP has bigger influences or not it still has to be seen and proven and JKW was still our legally our superior chief of Armed forces .
And this is a defence related forum not a political one . Keep the political side of things to the politicians .
And i was one of those so called promote the " learning curves neccesity " mantras . If you just knowed on how much missguided and ill informed personel can cause damages and havocs to our sophisticated equipments you will believed in it too ...
Wow thats the best rumour of the day I have. But yea let the private sector do it, give them chance to participate in more complex ship build. Let the omnibus law be implemented and see if our private sector is up for it.
I don't think KCR 60 qualified as a major complex naval vessel.
most likely a frigate.
No need to be worry. Looking at the latest update, US fighter will come! Whatever it is...Wow thats the best rumour of the day I have. But yea let the private sector do it, give them chance to participate in more complex ship build. Let the omnibus law be implemented and see if our private sector is up for it.
On the other note why be salty about that F-35 rejection? If they dont trust us enough its our fault, not theirs.
We are plying both side, its expected that both side wont trust us fully.
Rumour said that US going to activate its Armada 1 and will be based in Singapore, it is clear geopolitically that our neighbor in theory would have more advance US made weapon then us, same goes with our Southern neighbor. Our rejection to host US made P8 to be operated inside our teritoty also confirm the notion of us might not getting the best one compare to her ally. Like I said its not about the F-35, its more about "measuring" the trust level between both nation.
UEA got approved for F-35 right? They host US military in Al Dhafra and allow them to conduct military operation from there and agreed to sign peace with Israel. Other non ally nation who might also has it? well I agree with what Nike said.
There is no such thing as free lunch. We as a nation need to do better job in alligning our national interest with the development of regional geopolitics and power balance. If we wanted to play both side in the name of bebas aktif then we have to build up our military in proportion to the curent thread and regional power balance. Droping SU-35 and getting 48 F16V will add more deterence effect and in-line with the current govt. "taste of the month" of wanting to get close to US. No need to have F-35 for now, lets work with our neighbor who has it and make sure we have interoprability assets with them to deter Northern aggression, Build more trust and cooperation with Sing and Aussie, our interest are in-line for now. Work from there. Have an exercise with Aussie like we did with Japan, show them where we stand. We dont need to conduct it with the whole Quad, but having military exercise with each one of them alone will show our clear stand in international eyes.
Are we up for it? Or is it going to come back to another assets diversification embargo mumbo jumbo? Threat has changed and its right outside our front yard now, adapt or be done with it.
Agree, Im more worry about having Hornet as it require more money being a new platform. I prefer having Viper and add one or two air tanker. Not that I dislike Hornet tho, its just not wise with the current economic situation.No need tonbe worry. Looking at the latest update, US fighter will come! Whatever it is...
Neutral Switzerland just got offered F35s, why can't neutral Indonesia have it too?
I guess they don't trust us enough lol
Agree, Im more worry about having Hornet as it require more money being a new platform. I prefer having Viper and add one or two air tanker. Not that I dislike Hornet tho, its just not wise with the current economic situation.
If that Prabs rumoured motto "screw those single engine fighter!" True I think SHornet has more posibility.Agree, Im more worry about having Hornet as it require more money being a new platform. I prefer having Viper and add one or two air tanker. Not that I dislike Hornet tho, its just not wise with the current economic situation.
You realized that it's actually a sarcastic question right?Since when does Switzerland is neutral? More importantly since when does Indonesia is neutral?!
Well from the way I see it the urgency is about what kind of force we are going to have in 2025 and specially in 2030. With China carrier might be in full operational capability in 2025 we need our force to extend their reach beyond EEZ. By 2030 China might have multiple carrier capability and this is where the game truly begin.To deal with China's threat we can not be too picky. The most important thing is the availability. We can't spend so much money for brand new fighters that can only be delivered in 2025.
Our best option seems to be Shornet Block III. Boeing can produce it at a rate of 2 jets per month. They are currently producing 78 orders for US Navy. The good news is US Navy wants to reduce the numbers so they can allocate some of the first batch to us.
The next best option is obviously F-16 EDA. Even if we want to upgrade it to V-standard it'd probably take only around 2-3 yrs. The problem is we don't know for sure how many block-40 available in the desert.
The next one is used EF Typhoon. Not just 15 Austrian T1, there are actually more T1 and even T2 for sale if we want to acquire them.
I'm not sure on Rafale. I think Armée de l'Air would only send their used Rafale to Greece for now.