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[HeyPaula1963]

Also get easily distorted.

Agree with this, eventhough it's easy in nowaday time to get informations, but disinformation is really the things that I concern in internet right now, especially no brainer conspiracy theories.

 

[Nike]

Vehicles to fighting against Zombies

 

[¿Por qué?]

To be honest in my humble opinion we do should operate 2 different class of sub ..
212 class of tonnage and ocean going class one .
And f##k no to midget class wasting away money and time without a meaningfull capabilities ..

Yes, 2 different class of sub is the best option imho and yes too, no midget subs, especially that don't have internal torpedo launchers.

I'm still open to the idea of operating cheap midget submarine tbh. Of course they won't be our main vocal point in defense and attack.

I still prefer to have blue water AIP/battery sub like A26 (oceanic or extended variant + 300km cruise missiles VLS option) as our main player underwater.

Regarding the midget sub, there's one aspect that I think we should have as part of our defense setup, which is to have very strong tonnage-war capability.

Just look at our geographical position and the importance of our waters for the international trade. This will give us another deterrent factor for any potential adversaries (especially china).

You don't need heavy subs to win in a tonnage-war. The German used U-boats in WW2 because they needed to do it in a huge & deep Atlantic ocean. We'll only need to do it in shallow waters. Our own shallow waters.

We only need something that can launch torpedoes undetected. And we need in numbers. Cheap midget subs fit this need.

All will depend on the price of course. I'm not sure how much midget sub is going nowadays.

This is just one example of midget sub produced by the Italian DRASS. It can carry 6 torpedoes per sub.

This is supposed to be the spec :

- Displacement: 115 tons surfaced, 130 tons submerged
- Length: 28.2 m
- Width: 2.3 m hull diameter, 3.92 m with hydroplanes
- Height: 6.4 m
- Crew: 7 + 2 PAX
- Range: 1,800 nm, 120 nm on batteries
- Speed: 9 kt max, 4 kt cruising, 7.5 kt surfaced
- Operating depth: TBC
- Armament: 6 x 400mm torpedoes, 6 mines.
- Other: 1 x inflatable boat
- Equipment: Passive sonar, active sonar, SWR Intercept Sonar, Radar Warning Receiver, TV periscope, Underwater Communications, Ring-Laster gyrocompass, echosounder, doppler velocity log

We can also use this midget sub as our underwater guerrilla warfare in our shallow waters, just in case the enemy manages to breach our 1st defense line.

 

[Nike]

 

[Nike]

 

[umigami]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1312539931844120576

Van speijk class and pharchim class included?

 

[Raduga]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1312539931844120576

Van speijk class and pharchim class included?

i rather used that budget to weaponized our LPD fleet and LST fleet first , wth they want to upgrade from parchim and A Yani anyway ...

 

[Raduga]

https://poskota.co/nasional/empat-negara-jadi-tujuan-kuliah-kerja-pasis-seskoau-a-57-secara-virtual/
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POSKOTA.CO – Dalam rangka meningkatkan pemahaman dan pengetahuan mengenai kebijakan, strategi dan desain dibidang peningkatan sumber daya manusia, alih teknologi pertahanan dan penerapan revolusi industri 4.0, maka empat negara menjadi tujuan Kuliah Kerja Luar Negeri (KKLN) Perwira Siswa (Pasis) Seskoau Angkatan Ke-57 yang diadakan secara virtual dari Bangsal Srutasala, Seskoau, Lembang. Selasa (29/09/2020). Keempat negara tersebut antara lain Amerika Serikat, Australia, Korea Selatan dan India.
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Secara Virtual, 4 Negara Menjadi Tujuan Kuliah Kerja Pasis Seskoau A-57

Secara Virtual, 4 Negara Menjadi Tujuan Kuliah Kerja Pasis Seskoau A-57 - Berita - TNI Angkatan Udara

tni-au.mil.id

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Adapun narasumber dari kegiatan yang dilaksanakan selama dua hari ini antara lain Atase Udara Amerika Serikat Colonel Brian McCullough dan perwakilan Boeing Company, Director General Air Combat Enablers Air Commodore Wendy Blyth, Atase Pertahanan Australia Brigadier Justin Roocke dan Asisten Sekretaris Industri Pertahanan Danielle Tuckfield serta perwakilan dari Airbus Company, perwakilan dari India Air Force Group Captain Manish Sinha dan perwakilan dari Hindustan Aerospace Limited Industries, Dr. G Srikantha Sharma dan Dr. C.G. Shivaprasad, serta Atase Pertahanan Korea Selatan Captain (Navy) Jung Yeun Soo dan perwakilan Korea Aerospace Industries.

hope they learn for what they really need.

 

[Nike]

https://poskota.co/nasional/empat-negara-jadi-tujuan-kuliah-kerja-pasis-seskoau-a-57-secara-virtual/
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POSKOTA.CO – Dalam rangka meningkatkan pemahaman dan pengetahuan mengenai kebijakan, strategi dan desain dibidang peningkatan sumber daya manusia, alih teknologi pertahanan dan penerapan revolusi industri 4.0, maka empat negara menjadi tujuan Kuliah Kerja Luar Negeri (KKLN) Perwira Siswa (Pasis) Seskoau Angkatan Ke-57 yang diadakan secara virtual dari Bangsal Srutasala, Seskoau, Lembang. Selasa (29/09/2020). Keempat negara tersebut antara lain Amerika Serikat, Australia, Korea Selatan dan India.
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Secara Virtual, 4 Negara Menjadi Tujuan Kuliah Kerja Pasis Seskoau A-57

Secara Virtual, 4 Negara Menjadi Tujuan Kuliah Kerja Pasis Seskoau A-57 - Berita - TNI Angkatan Udara

tni-au.mil.id

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Adapun narasumber dari kegiatan yang dilaksanakan selama dua hari ini antara lain Atase Udara Amerika Serikat Colonel Brian McCullough dan perwakilan Boeing Company, Director General Air Combat Enablers Air Commodore Wendy Blyth, Atase Pertahanan Australia Brigadier Justin Roocke dan Asisten Sekretaris Industri Pertahanan Danielle Tuckfield serta perwakilan dari Airbus Company, perwakilan dari India Air Force Group Captain Manish Sinha dan perwakilan dari Hindustan Aerospace Limited Industries, Dr. G Srikantha Sharma dan Dr. C.G. Shivaprasad, serta Atase Pertahanan Korea Selatan Captain (Navy) Jung Yeun Soo dan perwakilan Korea Aerospace Industries.
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hope they learn for what they really need.

Itu empat empat nya operator dan calon operator P8 Poseidon

 

[NEKONEKO]

Pentagon's Lord blames KC-46A's fixed-price contract structure for further programme issues

The Pentagon’s top acquisition executive blames the Boeing KC-46A Pegasus aerial refuelling tanker’s fixed-price contract structure for the programme’s ongoing issues.

www.janes.com

Airbus just beat Boeing to be the first to complete a wholly automated air-to-air refueling operation

Airbus and its A310 MRTT showed up Boeing and its newest aerial tanker, the KC-46 Pegasus that continues to disappoint the US Air Force.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Indos]

Indonesian Army General lead the ceremony in new officers oath event

 

[Nike]

Pentagon's Lord blames KC-46A's fixed-price contract structure for further programme issues

The Pentagon’s top acquisition executive blames the Boeing KC-46A Pegasus aerial refuelling tanker’s fixed-price contract structure for the programme’s ongoing issues.

www.janes.com

Airbus just beat Boeing to be the first to complete a wholly automated air-to-air refueling operation

Airbus and its A310 MRTT showed up Boeing and its newest aerial tanker, the KC-46 Pegasus that continues to disappoint the US Air Force.

www.businessinsider.com

Seems we are gonna go for Airbus MRTT and Boeing P8

 

[Nike]

Newest starstreak batch for Batalyon Arhanud 11
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One in Binjai and other one in Dumai, wonder why Bukit Barisan only keep receiving them?

 

[Ravager]

I'm still open to the idea of operating cheap midget submarine tbh. Of course they won't be our main vocal point in defense and attack.

I still prefer to have blue water AIP/battery sub like A26 (oceanic or extended variant + 300km cruise missiles VLS option) as our main player underwater.

Regarding the midget sub, there's one aspect that I think we should have as part of our defense setup, which is to have very strong tonnage-war capability.

Just look at our geographical position and the importance of our waters for the international trade. This will give us another deterrent factor for any potential adversaries (especially china).

You don't need heavy subs to win in a tonnage-war. The German used U-boats in WW2 because they needed to do it in a huge & deep Atlantic ocean. We'll only need to do it in shallow waters. Our own shallow waters.

We only need something that can launch torpedoes undetected. And we need in numbers. Cheap midget subs fit this need.

All will depend on the price of course. I'm not sure how much midget sub is going nowadays.

This is just one example of midget sub produced by the Italian DRASS. It can carry 6 torpedoes per sub.

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This is supposed to be the spec :

- Displacement: 115 tons surfaced, 130 tons submerged
- Length: 28.2 m
- Width: 2.3 m hull diameter, 3.92 m with hydroplanes
- Height: 6.4 m
- Crew: 7 + 2 PAX
- Range: 1,800 nm, 120 nm on batteries
- Speed: 9 kt max, 4 kt cruising, 7.5 kt surfaced
- Operating depth: TBC
- Armament: 6 x 400mm torpedoes, 6 mines.
- Other: 1 x inflatable boat
- Equipment: Passive sonar, active sonar, SWR Intercept Sonar, Radar Warning Receiver, TV periscope, Underwater Communications, Ring-Laster gyrocompass, echosounder, doppler velocity log

We can also use this midget sub as our underwater guerrilla warfare in our shallow waters, just in case the enemy manages to breach our 1st defense line.

You are forgetting the real question here ...
How about her submerge endurance ?? That the real deal . Without atleast weekly time of submerge endurance all of those specc are meaningless in our theatre of operation .

 

[Nike]

You are forgetting the real question here ...
How about her submerge endurance ?? That the real deal . Without atleast weekly time of submerge endurance all of those specc are meaningless in our theatre of operation .

Endurance one thing, the other thing is logistic issue. Just looking at Iran, though they had numerous midget sub, they still can only operate them from their main Naval base in which had the necessary warehouse to put the spares, the necessary man power to maintain and operate them, the engine and weapon system still state of art and quite an issue to be dispersed to be operated from outside major Naval base. The thing is Indonesia only main Islands and major port city like Surabaya and Tegal in Java and Palu in Sulawesi had been built necessary infrastructure to operate Submarine fleets. And midget Submarine is not that fit into equation when we are talking about such long range operational our country had, as the distance between Surabaya and Natuna (around 1300 km) as an example around half distance what French Navy fleet had when trying to cross Suez canal (around 2500 km).