Indonesia Defence Forum

[Fl0gger]

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As i've told previously even 200s Millions US$ contract for BMP-3F & BT-3F won't escape CAATSA and in the end we will probably seek EDA on LVTP-7

They have a hard time looking for bank guarantee

 

[Chestnut]

Flaws in K21 Design Confirmed
I don't think they have 105mm amphibious version either.
I admit that I do have NATO bias.
But when I think about it carefully, I conclude there is no NATO's vehicle on market that equivalent enough and as mature as BMP-3F.

I have to admit BMP-3F is kind of irreplaceable for marine.

That post is from 2010 however, I can imagine it's fixed by now. For the most part, the AS21 Redback being offered for the Australian Army Land 400 Phase 3 program IS somewhat of a tough contender even for the KF41 Lynx. Something that wouldn't happen if the vehicle's issues weren't fixed already considering it has beaten KMW's Puma.

 

[umigami]

Pindad products

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Let's replace mk80 series with those BT series for dumb-bomb operation.
So we just need to buy and use mk82 for JDAM.

 

[Chestnut]

Let's replace mk80 series with those BT series for dumb-bomb operation.
So we just need to buy and use mk82 for JDAM.

The question is whether or not Pindad can produce them at a rate that can keep stocks full?

 

[Cromwell]

Still need to find BMP3F Equivalent (amphibians with big gun)

We did send delegations to Ukraine around 3 or 4 weeks previous. The workgroup is said to take interests on BVP-2, i was thinking this is something related

 

[Cromwell]

I think the only option they have at this point are wheeled platforms.



BAE is offering new built amtracks IIRC.

Yes, i've read a couple or 3 years ago they did offer us however no reply yet from our side with CAATSA being applied we might review the offer backthen

 

[Cromwell]

They have a hard time looking for bank guarantee

No Commerce Banks willing to take sanctions from CAATSA due to relatively small transactions

 

[Var Dracon]

The question is whether or not Pindad can produce them at a rate that can keep stocks full?

Well, for bomb manufacturing PT Sari Bahari is more dedicated. Pindad production lines is too stretched for various industrial and defense products (unless they make bomb in Turen plant or they open a new plant in Lampung). Anyways here are Sari Bahari products

As you can see from the pictures, Sari Bahari also made NATO and Russian bombs and munition. Their NATO bomb differed in tail fin, while their Russian bomb differed in the muzzle shape (those made by Sari Bahari are more blunt).

 

[Aghost132483]

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As i've told previously even 200s Millions US$ contract for BMP-3F & BT-3F won't escape CAATSA and in the end we will probably seek EDA on LVTP-7

Every debate end with CAATSA, so why don't we use our indigenous developed Wirajayadi Bahari product

 

[umigami]

Every debate end with CAATSA, so why don't we use our indigenous developed Wirajayadi Bahari product

Debates involving Russian to be exact...

 

[KingWest]

Companies should pursue profit first everything later you know. To gain that you should have advantage or edge compared to your competitor. US during before the great merger era in 1990-2000, had many efficient and cost effective companies in which can delivered new products within short term along with cost effective research. The likes of Mc Donnel, Douglas aircraft, North America, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, Vought , Skunks work and so on. With many competition, US aircraft technical and technology advantage is being leapt and bound compared to their allies and Rival of Soviet Union. Now largely, their fighter industry is quite degraded with only Boeing and Lockheed Martin rivalries in which bound to oligopoly games. This, in Indonesia the situation is more dire, with only SOE playing the games without incentive for competition.

Very well said

 

[Fl0gger]

Every debate end with CAATSA, so why don't we use our indigenous developed Wirajayadi Bahari product

This is not a production just and upgrade from existing stok of BTR 50 of marine corp

 

[Logam42]

Well, for bomb manufacturing PT Sari Bahari is more dedicated. Pindad production lines is too stretched for various industrial and defense products (unless they make bomb in Turen plant or they open a new plant in Lampung). Anyways here are Sari Bahari products

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As you can see from the pictures, Sari Bahari also made NATO and Russian bombs and munition. Their NATO bomb differed in tail fin, while their Russian bomb differed in the muzzle shape (those made by Sari Bahari are more blunt).

So... these are missle drones? Like piloted rockets I take it?

 

[mandala]

Every debate end with CAATSA, so why don't we use our indigenous developed Wirajayadi Bahari product

I've been inside that vehicle on display during Indo Defence. Quite spacious. But to me lets just go with the LVTP-7 or AAV7 than this vehicle if we couldn't get the BT-3F because of CAATSA.

 

[mandala]

Video from 2 years ago.