Indonesia Defence Forum

[Azull]

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Anyways I'm still curious about that Strategic Foreign Weapons System that is meant for the defense of Natuna, I find it interesting that they made a budget allocation specific to it, I thought it would've been under either of the 3 branches or the MoD's budget at least. Anyone know what it could be?

Could be shore based anti ship missile maybe? Or MR-SAM system?

 

[Cromwell]

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Anyways I'm still curious about that Strategic Foreign Weapons System that is meant for the defense of Natuna, I find it interesting that they made a budget allocation specific to it, I thought it would've been under either of the 3 branches or the MoD's budget at least. Anyone know what it could be?

Oh well i'm sorry i'm lacking any informations on things they going to deploy in Natuna. However i do share my concern when someone did post in general thread about PLAN Northern Fleet conducting exercise with Southern Fleet, we have lots of homeworks to do, something to detter them and backbone for defending our national interests in foreign politics.

 

[Cromwell]

Could be shore based anti ship missile maybe? Or MR-SAM system?

I think i've heard a rumour on MBDA proposal about land based Exocet bastion years ago but that's just a rumour

 

[umigami]

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Anyways I'm still curious about that Strategic Foreign Weapons System that is meant for the defense of Natuna, I find it interesting that they made a budget allocation specific to it, I thought it would've been under either of the 3 branches or the MoD's budget at least. Anyone know what it could be?

I hope something that can make us reach PLA bases across SCS.

Offensive weapon like standoff missile. To increase bargaining power.

 

[Fl0gger]

I think i've heard a rumour on MBDA proposal about land based Exocet bastion years ago but that's just a rumour

also K 300 P Bastion P and Ball E coastal defense system were offerd to and even a delegation was sent to cek it out

 

[Azull]

also K 300 P Bastion P even a delegation was sent to cek it out

Russian product? I dont know man, considering we have ongoing project to build national datalink system? I dont think it will be viable for us to purchase these thing. We would be better off buying western shore based anti ship missile.

 

[Cromwell]

also K 300 P Bastion P even a delegation was sent to cek it out

The odds is just impropable, we did send a delegation there however with CAATSA in effective just forget about any transaction with Russia outside spare parts & logistic supports for what already exist in our inventory. Btw i must say we live in grieve era of Asia, i mean look at bigger scope outside SCS, India & China are at hostile toward another, though not directly involving us. I must say we live in Asia at its grieve hour.

 

[umigami]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1301010054598934529

Hmmmm.... wait WHAT??

 

[Chestnut]

I think i've heard a rumour on MBDA proposal about land based Exocet bastion years ago but that's just a rumour

It's not a rumor. They did receive a proposal awhile ago, it's just that AFAIK they still haven't decided whether the Army or the Navy should operate them. And with the Army, depending on who is running the program it just HAS to be a different missile altogether.

Because you know, "AD reasons".

 

[Azull]

The odds is just impropable, we did send a delegation there however with CAATSA in effective just forget about any transaction with Russia outside spare parts & logistic supports for what already exist in our inventory. Btw i must say we live in grieve era of Asia, i mean look at bigger scope outside SCS, India & China are at hostile toward another, though not directly involving us. I must say we live in Asia at its grieve hour.

I must say i agree with your assessment. The future of SCS doesnt seems to be Bright tbh. And now China has another issue with india. We need to be ready for whats about to come and we need to be ready fast. I understand that any future defence procurement needs to be carefully considered and we need to consider all options at hand. however, the way i see how things progressed lately, i could not help but think thank our mindef has been indecisive about this. Hopefully they can make up their mind fast as it will take some time for whatever they choose to purchase to be build and introduce to our armed forces as the user. Lets hope things will not get any worse before then. For me, its better to have it eventhough you dont need it rather than you need it but you dont have it.

 

[Cromwell]

It's not a rumor. They did receive a proposal awhile ago, it's just that AFAIK they still haven't decided whether the Army or the Navy should operate them. And with the Army, depending on who is running the program it just HAS to be a different missile altogether.

Because you know, "AD reasons".

So it's true then, damn i hate this thing failed due to stupid classic reason within our military.

 

[Cromwell]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1301010054598934529

Hmmmm.... wait WHAT??

Not going to happen to us, whoever writes this has no idea about our foreign politics. Even i'm surprised at Singapore inclusion AFAIK Singapore more or less can be considered Non NATO major ally.

 

[Cromwell]

I must say i agree with your assessment. The future of SCS doesnt seems to be Bright tbh. And now China has another issue with india. We need to be ready for whats about to come and we need to be ready fast. I understand that any future defence procurement needs to be carefully considered and we need to consider all options at hand. however, the way i see how things progressed lately, i could not help but think thank our mindef has been indecisive about this. Hopefully they can make up their mind fast as it will take some time for whatever they choose to purchase to be build and introduce to our armed forces as the user. Lets hope things will not get any worse before then. For me, its better to have it eventhough you dont need it rather than you need it but you dont have it.

Our previous Minister of Defence delayed so many things by refusing to sign major arms acquisitions and now everything is late.

 

[Chestnut]

So it's true then, damn i hate this thing failed due to stupid classic reason within our military.

To be fair you and I both know a lot of the reasons why things don't go as planned within the context of our military more often than not can be summed up to "bureaucratic issues".

 

[Azull]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1301010054598934529

Hmmmm.... wait WHAT??

It doesnt mean that they have such facility in Indonesia or that our government would agree on such things. It would be political suicide onJokowi side.
It just shows that China is planning/more likely considering basing their aircraft or naval vessel in one of those countries. It doesnt have to make sense either, its just a consideration.