Indonesia Defence Forum

[Cromwell]

Oh don't get me wrong, I would much rather they get new Vipers on top of EDA F-16's upgraded to the V standard. At the very least they would have substantially lower hours.

Oh well if things were ideal, i also wish we get whole brand new F-16V but rumour speaks we're getting only 24 brand new F-16V ( 2 squadrons each gets 12 units ) while that number is far from being ideal, more or less to catch quantity, we pursue extra units from EDA, some for active service and some for spare parts.

 

[Ruhnama]

You know i am no care, actually much better to cover their face as persec

Using gas mask maybe look cool amd safety (yeah absolutely for NBC and pandemic ehhhe)

Gas mask is only distributed to nubuka personnel right? Ordinary soldier didint get it. Hope army (first and maybe the elite one like kostrad) get gas mask for personal equipment

 

[Chestnut]

Dude, if you ever had to run around in full PPE gear + gas mask, trust me you would much rather die choking on a nerve agent.

 

[initial_d]

Oh well if things were ideal, i also wish we get whole brand new F-16V but rumour speaks we're getting only 24 brand new F-16V ( 2 squadrons each gets 12 units ) while that number is far from being ideal, more or less to catch quantity, we pursue extra units from EDA, some for active service and some for spare parts.

How many quantity used one that we're talking here, is it from Norway or USAF EDA, 24 brand new F-16v + 56 Norway F-16A/B with dirt cheap price sound good to me,
or 24 Brand new F-16v from factory + 36 used EDA as Bonuses for free (can we have free EDA from buying brand new Viper!!??)

 

[Kansel]

Oh well if things were ideal, i also wish we get whole brand new F-16V but rumour speaks we're getting only 24 brand new F-16V ( 2 squadrons each gets 12 units ) while that number is far from being ideal, more or less to catch quantity, we pursue extra units from EDA, some for active service and some for spare parts.

Love how the numbers keep decreasing everytime from 48->32->24

 

[Gundala]

They got 44 F16A and 9 F16B and already got in hand 15 F35, and they had secured funded for 40 units and waiting for delivery. This will Made their F 16 actually available soon

Wait what?? Whos "they" are you talking about?

Talking about 3 SKA brand new plus additional 3 SKA pre-loved....hmmm, here is my take

Im putting economic aside and try to look it from airframe avaiablility stand point. Im sure our AU dont want their fighter got reduced due to jet retirement right? We know that hawk going to enter their "Masa Persiapan Pensiun" somewhere around 2025ish. AFAIK from reading some news ( I dont remember where), assuming we place the order after Taiwan that would put the first delivery date in 2027. F-35 avaiable delivery is after 2028 unless the ex Turkeys that US bought be made avaiable to us.

Now the push for used airframe is needed to get the numbers stay up while waiting for the brand new fighter (whatever that is) avaiable to us. On this case used F-16 is the right choice. So the rumours of us getting used fighters does make sense strategically and in-line from ORBAT stand point.

There is this one obstacle to think of, that is KFX, budgetary wise and fighter procurement planning wise (type of airframe). So in my mind whatever this brand new fighters we going to get will determine or at least can give us clue on the continuation of the progam.

There are alot going on right now, the need for Heavy one and light one are one of the issue. Rafale and Eurofighter (so is KFX btw) are somewhere in the middle of it. If they can give a fast delivery time (before the hawk retired) then the chance for them to be choosen is pretty strong. Now its up to the AU whether to stay on the current path of having Heavy/Light or they can do the middle one strategically. Should be interesting to see how its going to come out...

If the word "they" in Nike comments means us then the KFX might still be alive and meant to replace Sukro after 2030.

 

[umigami]

Wait what?? Whos "they" are you talking about?

Talking about 3 SKA brand new plus additional 3 SKA pre-loved....hmmm, here is my take

Im putting economic aside and try to look it from airframe avaiablility stand point. Im sure our AU dont want their fighter got reduced due to jet retirement right? We know that hawk going to enter their "Masa Persiapan Pensiun" somewhere around 2025ish. AFAIK from reading some news ( I dont remember where), assuming we place the order after Taiwan that would put the first delivery date in 2027. F-35 avaiable delivery is after 2028 unless the ex Turkeys that US bought be made avaiable to us.

Now the push for used airframe is needed to get the numbers stay up while waiting for the brand new fighter (whatever that is) avaiable to us. On this case used F-16 is the right choice. So the rumours of us getting used fighters does make sense strategically and in-line from ORBAT stand point.

There is this one obstacle to think of, that is KFX, budgetary wise and fighter procurement planning wise (type of airframe). So in my mind whatever this brand new fighters we going to get will determine or at least can give us clue on the continuation of the progam.

There are alot going on right now, the need for Heavy one and light one are one of the issue. Rafale and Eurofighter (so is KFX btw) are somewhere in the middle of it. If they can give a fast delivery time (before the hawk retired) then the chance for them to be choosen is pretty strong. Now its up to the AU whether to stay on the current path of having Heavy/Light or they can do the middle one strategically. Should be interesting to see how its going to come out...

If the word "they" in Nike comments means us then the KFX might still be alive and meant to replace Sukro after 2030.

Obviously Norway.
They have 15 F35 in their inventory now.

 

[Chestnut]

Wait what?? Whos "they" are you talking about?

Talking about 3 SKA brand new plus additional 3 SKA pre-loved....hmmm, here is my take

Im putting economic aside and try to look it from airframe avaiablility stand point. Im sure our AU dont want their fighter got reduced due to jet retirement right? We know that hawk going to enter their "Masa Persiapan Pensiun" somewhere around 2025ish. AFAIK from reading some news ( I dont remember where), assuming we place the order after Taiwan that would put the first delivery date in 2027. F-35 avaiable delivery is after 2028 unless the ex Turkeys that US bought be made avaiable to us.

Now the push for used airframe is needed to get the numbers stay up while waiting for the brand new fighter (whatever that is) avaiable to us. On this case used F-16 is the right choice. So the rumours of us getting used fighters does make sense strategically and in-line from ORBAT stand point.

There is this one obstacle to think of, that is KFX, budgetary wise and fighter procurement planning wise (type of airframe). So in my mind whatever this brand new fighters we going to get will determine or at least can give us clue on the continuation of the progam.

There are alot going on right now, the need for Heavy one and light one are one of the issue. Rafale and Eurofighter (so is KFX btw) are somewhere in the middle of it. If they can give a fast delivery time (before the hawk retired) then the chance for them to be choosen is pretty strong. Now its up to the AU whether to stay on the current path of having Heavy/Light or they can do the middle one strategically. Should be interesting to see how its going to come out...

If the word "they" in Nike comments means us then the KFX might still be alive and meant to replace Sukro after 2030.

That's honestly my best guess. If they do plan on continuing with the program then makes more sense to just replace the Flankers with the KFX. If not then we're just going to have this drama even until 6th gens starts coming online in the 2040's.

 

[umigami]

I'd prefer US EDA F-16s especially those Block 25 & 32 in 309th Maintenance Service instead of Ex RNoAF F-16s, they are too worn out and most are old airframes ( they were delievered between late 70s to mid 80s ), as rumour says we are keen to get 24 brand new F-16 Block 72 V ( not 32 like medias said ) & US will grant us another EDA on their boneyard F-16s, provided the contract on 24 brand new units made official & inked in DSCA

Oh well if things were ideal, i also wish we get whole brand new F-16V but rumour speaks we're getting only 24 brand new F-16V ( 2 squadrons each gets 12 units ) while that number is far from being ideal, more or less to catch quantity, we pursue extra units from EDA, some for active service and some for spare parts.

So it's gonna be 24 brand new F16v & 8 EDA that will be upgraded to Viper standard?
(Untuk mengejar jumlah ideal 16 unit dalam 1 skadron)

Or more EDA, enough for another 1 new skadron?

 

[Cromwell]

How many quantity used one that we're talking here, is it from Norway or USAF EDA, 24 brand new F-16v + 56 Norway F-16A/B with dirt cheap price sound good to me,
or 24 Brand new F-16v from factory + 36 used EDA as Bonuses for free (can we have free EDA from buying brand new Viper!!??)

They say " at least " 16 units of EDA or retired F-16s, that number can increase though, i also heard some rumours on FA-50, we may take 1 - 2 Squadrons. EDA is for free, all payment we made in Peace Bima Sena II which was worth 750 Millions US$ were for upgrades & logistics not for the aircrafts themself

 

[Cromwell]

Love how the numbers keep decreasing everytime from 48->32->24

The thing is we still after them along with retire ones to augment

 

[Cromwell]

So it's gonna be 24 brand new F16v & 8 EDA that will be upgraded to Viper standard?
(Untuk mengejar jumlah ideal 16 unit dalam 1 skadron)

Or more EDA, enough for another 1 new skadron?

" At least " 16 units for retire or EDA F-16s, that number can increase

 

[Nike]

The thing is we still after them along with retire ones to augment

If interim programme can be implemented our Air Force will be a different beast in the region, you are talking about a true 180 fourth generation fighter

 

[Nike]

Indonesian shipbuilder launches two more PC-40-class patrol vessels
by Ridzwan Rahmat

A model of the PC-40-class patrol vessel, similar to the pair launched by PT Karimum Anugrah Sejati on 24 August 2020. (Janes/Ridzwan Rahmat)
A model of the PC-40-class patrol vessel, similar to the pair launched by PT Karimum Anugrah Sejati on 24 August 2020. (Janes/Ridzwan Rahmat)

Batam-based private shipbuilder, PT Karimun Anugrah Sejati, has launched two more PC-40-class patrol boats for the Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL).

The vessels, which will be known in service as KRI Karotang (872) and KRI Mata Bongsang (873) once commissioned, were named and launched in the presence of the TNI-AL’s chief, Rear Admiral Yudo Margono, on 24 August at the company’s shipyard on the Riau archipelago island.

Karotang and Mata Bongsang will be the 12th and 13th PC-40-class vessels to be operated by the TNI-AL once they are in service. Besides these two ships, PT Karimum Anugrah Sejati also built the class’s fourth and fifth hulls, which were commissioned in 2017 and are now in service as KRI Torani (860) and KRI Lepu (861) respectively.

The TNI-AL inducted its first batch of three PC-40s, which were manufactured by PT Palindo Marine, in January 2017, and six more vessels were commissioned by the end of 2019. In July 2020, another private shipbuilder, PT Caputra Mitra Sejati, launched the 10th and 11th PC-40-class boats for the TNI-AL.

The class derives its design from the missile-capable KCR-40M fast attack craft that is in service with the TNI-AL, albeit being more lightly armed. The platform has an overall length of 46.5 m, an overall beam of 7.9 m, and a hull draught of 1.7 m. It can accommodate a crew of 35 and can carry one rigid hull inflatable boat (RHIB) at the stern.

Karotang and Mata Bongsang

Indonesian shipbuilder launches two more PC-40-class patrol vessels

Batam-based private shipbuilder, PT Karimun Anugrah Sejati, has launched two more PC-40-class patrol boats for the Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan...

www.janes.com

 

[kooppyyy]

I'd prefer US EDA F-16s especially those Block 25 & 32 in 309th Maintenance Service instead of Ex RNoAF F-16s, they are too worn out and most are old airframes ( they were delievered between late 70s to mid 80s ), as rumour says we are keen to get 24 brand new F-16 Block 72 V ( not 32 like medias said ) & US will grant us another EDA on their boneyard F-16s, provided the contract on 24 brand new units made official & inked in DSCA

I'm a bit caught in two minds on this. On one hand, the birds from the 309th AMARG will have low-hours on their airframe, on the other hand, I feel the RNoAF F-16's is more capable. as unlike our "block 52ID" falcons, the RNoAF block 20 MLUs is probably a lot closer to USAF's block 50 (minus the AN/APG-68) but with higher hours on the airframe.

They got 44 F16A and 9 F16B and already got in hand 15 F35, and they had secured funded for 40 units and waiting for delivery. This will Made their F 16 actually available soon

Last I read they plan to keep their F-16 flying at low-rate until 2021

If interim programme can be implemented our Air Force will be a different beast in the region, you are talking about a true 180 fourth generation fighter

Mouthwatering prospect indeed. Hopefully our human resources able to keep up.