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This actually a regret, i thought they Made the mini gun

Well, we already have 3 contender for locally made mini gun :
1. Lodaya gatling gun (5.56 mm)
2. SMML (7.62 mm)
3. Eli gun (7.62 mm)

Why don't we use them? Well back again to old saying "Negeri 1001 prototipe"
 
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Army Reserve Component Program

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Just got from WAG, Target for this year is 15.000 komcad.
Just want to know, according to information above, are this trully Komcad or just like previous Defence Minister program (Bela Negara) ?

Just New here so, please be nice to me ...
It will be more sensible if we give the task to the marines. They will be responsible to guard those 12 choke points using Brahmos.

Brahmos should be chosen as it has longer range than exocet. There are choke points that need longer detection capability.
I got different info about Brahmos and it is not for coastal defense nor Iver. There is a reason India delegation came to PT PAL to see one of the KRI that time.
The key is, needed fast.
But of course it is imho mode.
 
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India May Give Indonesia BrahMos Missiles

28 Juli 2020



Inclined launcher and BrahMos surface-to-surface missile (photo : Trishul)

NEW DELHI: India and Indonesia, which is also locked in a maritime dispute with China in the contentious South China Sea, have decided to expand their strategic and defence cooperation in a wide range of areas.

The further expansion of defence and military relations were discussed during delegation-level talks led by defence minister Rajnath Singh and his Indonesian counterpart General Prabowo Subianto in New Delhi on Monday.

Sources said that the possible export of BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles to Indonesia as well as measures to further deepen maritime security cooperation figured prominently in the talks.

(Times of India)
 
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India May Give Indonesia BrahMos Missiles

28 Juli 2020



Inclined launcher and BrahMos surface-to-surface missile (photo : Trishul)

NEW DELHI: India and Indonesia, which is also locked in a maritime dispute with China in the contentious South China Sea, have decided to expand their strategic and defence cooperation in a wide range of areas.

The further expansion of defence and military relations were discussed during delegation-level talks led by defence minister Rajnath Singh and his Indonesian counterpart General Prabowo Subianto in New Delhi on Monday.

Sources said that the possible export of BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles to Indonesia as well as measures to further deepen maritime security cooperation figured prominently in the talks.

(Times of India)
Give and export are two different things.
 
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Meluncur, KRI Posepa 870 Dan KRI Escolar 871, Dua Kapal Patroli PC-40 Anyar Untuk Dua Lantamal
indomiliter | 28/07/2020 | Berita Matra Laut, Berita Update Alutsista, Kapal Perang | 1 Comment
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Target TNI AL untuk mengakuisisi 42 unit Kapal Patroli Cepat (PC-40) untuk kebutuhan 14 Lantamal (Pangkalan Utama Angkatan Laut) terus berlanjut. Belum lama ini kabar terbaru datang dari Banten, dimana galangan kapal swasta nasional, PT Caputra Mitra Sejati (CMS) pada Senin, 27 Juli 2020, telah meluncurkan dua unit kapal patroli PC-40M terbaru, yaitu KRI Posepa 870 dan KRI Escolar 871.

Baca juga: Tuntas Sea Trial, Tiga Kapal Patroli PC-40 Resmi Masuk Armada TNI AL

Kedua kapal perang yang peluncurannya diresmikan oleh KSAL Marsekal TNI Yudo Margono, dipersiapkan nantinya untuk memperkuat Pangkalan Utama TNI AL (Lantamal) V Surabaya dengan KRI Posepa 870 dan Lantamal VII Kupang dengan KRI Escolar 871. Sebagaimana biasanya peluncuran kapal dari galangan, kedua kapal patroli ini nampak masih ‘kosongan,’ dimana belum ada instalasi perangkat sensor dan randar, pun juga tida terlihat adanya senjata pada bagian haluan. Umumnya, setelah fase peluncuran, kapal patroli akan memasuki tahap uji coba di laut (sea trial), yang kemudian dilanjutkan ke tahap instalasi perangkat elektronik dan persenjataan.


Merujuk ke nomer lambungnya, 870 dan 871, maka dipastikan kedua kapal perang ini akan berada dalam pembinaan Satuan Kapal Patroli (Satrol). Meski belum ada keterangan resmi dari pihak TNI AL, bila mengacu pada beberapa unit PC-40M yang telah diserahkan dari PT CMS ke TNI AL, maka kemungkinan senjata yang menjadi andalan utama pada KRI Posepa 870 dan KRI Escolar 871 adalah kanon otomatis kaliber 30 mm.

Dan bila dipertajam, kanon MARLIN WS (Modular Advanced Remotely controlled Lightweight Naval Weapon Station) Oto Melara kaliber 30 mm punya kans kuat dipasang pada PC-40M terbaru ini, mengingat adopsi kanon MARLIN WS telah berjalan di beberapa PC-40M. Meski begitu, tak menutup kemungkinan, kedua PC-40M terbaru ini bakal dipasangi kanon dari manufaktur lain, semisal Seahawk LW30M A1 produksi MSI-DS, Inggris.

KRI Posepa 870 dan KRI Escolar 871 disokong mesin utama 3 x 1800 Hp dengan putaran mesin 2300 rpm, serta kecepatan maksimum mencapai 24 knots. Kapal ini juga memiliki kecepatan jelajah sampai 18 knots dengan daya jangkau 1632 nautical mile (setara 3.022 km).

Baca juga: PT Karimun Anugrah Sejati Luncurkan Dua Kapal Patroli PC-40 untuk Satrol Koarmabar

Bobot tiap kapal mencapai lebih dari 200 ton, dan mampu memuat kapasitas bahan bakar hingga 70.000 liter. Dari segi dimensi, PC-40M ini memiliki panjang (Loa) 44,95 meter, lebar 7,90 meter dan tinggi tengah kapal 4,25 meter. (Bayu Pamungkas)
https://www.indomiliter.com/meluncu...kapal-patroli-pc-40-anyar-untuk-dua-lantamal/
 
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Indonesia’s intriguing Osprey opportunity
By Greg Waldron23 July 2020

Until recently, if you performed a roll-call of the countries considered as possible candidates to purchase the Bell Boeing MV-22 Osprey tiltrotor – think Israel or the UK, for instance – Indonesia would likely not have featured on what is a relatively short list.

Generally, Jakarta’s major airpower acquisitions are signalled well in advance. Its odyssey to buy Sukhoi Su-35s has lasted nearly a decade and finalising the deal has proven elusive. The country’s interest the Airbus Defence & Space A400M tactical transport is long known, as is its long flirtation with the Boeing CH-47F Chinook.

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Source: US Marine Corps

MV-22B Osprey prepares to land at a helicopter landing zone

Hence the surprise when, amid a spate of congressional arms sales notifications, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) on 6 July said Washington had approved the possible sale to Indonesia of eight MV-22 Block Cs for $2 billion, alongside spares, training, and support services.

“The proposed sale of aircraft and support will enhance Indonesia’s humanitarian and disaster relief capabilities and support amphibious operations,” said the DSCA. “This sale will promote burden sharing and interoperability with US Forces. Indonesia is not expected to have any difficulties absorbing these aircraft into its armed forces.”

The Jakarta Post subsequently reported that few in the Indonesian military knew about the potential deal. The paper also said that the MV-22s would serve with the Indonesian army. If so, the Osprey would be a quantum leap for the service, which operates a ragbag assortment of rotorcraft that includes Bell 412s, Russian-built Mil Mi-8 transports and Mi-35 attack helicopters, and several others. More recently, it took delivery of eight Boeing AH-64E Apaches.

Bell says congressional notification is a crucial step in a Foreign Military Sales (FMS) deal and that the total cost could be under the stated figure.

“Following congressional notification, we look forward to working closely with the US and Indonesian governments to determine the contents and price of the FMS case and to finalise this sale,” says Bell.

“The $2 billion only represents the ‘Not to Exceed’ amount authorised by Congress and we anticipate the cost to be lower. Currently the US military is buying the V-22 under the Multi-Year Procurement III [MYP III] contract. Completion of this sale in 2020 will allow Indonesia to receive the MYP III pricing already negotiated by the US government for its aircraft.”

Even if the package comes in below $2 billion, the history of Indonesian arms acquisitions means signing off a deal in 2020 might be optimistic.

Still, on paper at least, the Osprey is perfectly suited to a sprawling archipelago with thousands of islands, facing challenges including natural disasters, separatist uprisings in far-flung provinces, and China’s belligerence in the South China Sea.

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Source: US Marine Corps

A US Marine Corps MV-22 Osprey lifts cargo during training at Moron air base, Spain, earlier this year

“For the past decade the military has endeavoured to boost its maritime defences, but China is not the only explanation for [an Osprey] purchase,” says Natalie Sambhi, an expert on Indonesian military affairs, and founder and executive director of Verve Research.

“Indonesia continues to experience a range of internal security and humanitarian issues that would require insertion of forces at short notice, including unrest in Papuan provinces. Also, you cannot discount the element of prestige, being the only country in Southeast Asia to have purchased the Osprey.”

Indeed, should the Indonesian army obtain the Osprey it would be the type’s fifth operator, after the US Marine Corps (USMC), US Air Force and US Navy, and current sole export customer the Japan Ground Self-Defence Force.

But even if that $2 billion price cap is not reached, some perspective is offered by Indonesia’s overall proposed defence budget for 2021, which is tentatively pegged at Rp150 trillion ($10.3 billion). While this is an increase of around 20% on the 2020 figure, any Osprey acquisition would represent a major chunk of that total and would face competing claims from the country’s other services. In addition, the defence budget is all but certain to be a casualty of the financial downturn following the coronavirus pandemic.

“The price is significant in contrast to the defence budget, and the maintenance and operating costs would be another financial challenge,” says Wu Shang-Su, research fellow at Singapore’s S Rajaratnam School of International Studies.

Sambhi and Wu also contend that for the MV-22 to be effective in Indonesian service, Jakarta will need to beef up its aerial refuelling capabilities.

Tankers, however, would appear to be a far more urgent priority for a country as vast as Indonesia: Cirium fleets data shows that the Indonesian air force operates a single 1961-vintage Lockheed Martin KC-130B for that mission. Tiny Singapore, by contrast, has five Airbus Defence & Space A330 multi-role tanker transports (MRTTs), with an additional unit to come. The MRTT is also operated by the Royal Australian Air Force, with six examples in its inventory.

Sustainment could be another challenge for Jakarta. Over the years the Osprey has suffered its share of availability issues. Anecdotally at least, Indonesia’s armed forces are understood to take a less rigid approach to aircraft maintenance than other militaries.

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Source: US Marine Corps

US Marines conduct a flight training exercise with the MV-22B Osprey along the shores of Oahu, Hawaii

And then come concerns about safety, as exemplified by Indonesia’s loss of five C-130s since 2000. In July 2015 a particularly horrific crash saw an Indonesian C-130B come down in a Medan suburb while carrying well over 100 people, many of whom were relatives of air force personnel. Media reports suggested that unofficial tickets had been sold.

As for the army, it has lost nine helicopters and a single fixed-wing aircraft since 2000, resulting in 49 fatalities. The most recent mishap occurred on 6 June, when an Mi-8 crashed during a training sortie, killing five.

Still, one factor that might work in Indonesia’s favour should it buy the Osprey is the depth of its aerospace sector, with indigenous manufacturer Indonesian Aerospace in Bandung, as well as a vibrant commercial MRO industry.

“Although the previous record of safety is not very good, Indonesia probably has the largest aviation talent pool in Southeast Asia, thanks to its industry,” says Wu.

“Therefore, Jakarta may be able to train sufficient personnel to maintain and support the Osprey. It is indeed a challenge, but also an opportunity for Indonesia to expand its aviation capabilities. Since Jakarta has a clear goal of moving towards [being] a regional power, it is likely for them to take the challenge.”

Since replacing its ancient Boeing CH-46 Sea Knights, the Osprey has enabled the USMC to employ bold new tactics and given it a vastly greater reach. It is difficult to imagine a contingency in Indonesia – or anywhere, for that matter – where an aircraft as capable as the Osprey would not prove useful.

Still, this capability comes with very real costs – flying the V-22 is not cheap – and challenges. Buying highly advanced military aircraft is hard. Keeping them flying for years often proves harder.

https://www.flightglobal.com/defenc...DcvdFf9mXZS44-g6QqgPJmDcSzUFpbYNqvmS7tJm0KHHQ
 
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first used EF-2000 Tranche 1 and now used old Subs..!!??
I don't know what Prabowo thinking's right now,
 
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No, I don think so.
Even the oldest one was commissioned in the 80s.

I think it is either 209 or 206.
Seems like that German consultants are at it again..
If Type 209, Turkish Navy has two Retired Type 209/1200, TCG Atilay and TCG Saldiray (Decommissioned 3-4 Years ago), TCG Baltiray and TCG Yildiray will be decommissioned soon in this year . so in terms of training it's still the same as Type 209 Chakra-class.

Regarding Type 206 itself, the remaining unit that still exists (not yet scraped) is very small, so it's useless to acquiring used submarines weighing under 900 tons in small quantities. If large quantities (like 8-12 units), it's still acceptable
 
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first used EF-2000 Tranche 1 and now used old Subs..!!??
I don't know what Prabowo thinking's right now,

His beating the bush to see what came out of them (a sound strategy). I extremely doubt anything will came from Russia other than the BMP-3
 
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the previous MoD messing around seriously, sadly mr prabowo must fix up the situations by buying
weapons as fast as we can get altought is an old/ secondhand alutsista
 
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