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This is a "unique" confirmation from your MoD .. So, what happen with your MoD ?

https://news.detik.com/berita/d-5085180/kemhan-klarifikasi-isu-pembelian-pesawat-mv-22-osprey

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Well I'm just quoting PT PAL's Dirut on it, and as I said, went from "buatan anak bangsa" to "hanya subkon doang" in 100



That's interesting, that's the first time I heard on it, any links to read up further? As far I know the first KCR was launched in 2014, while the first PKR was launched in 2016.
I just gonna ask this. If, the Damen supossed to let us involved in the PKR project for more than 5% work share, did PT PAL ready to do the workshare ?
Im okay that we only get 5% workshare because at the end the PKR project done sucessfully, than to get more than 5% work share, but risked the PKR to end up like our neighbour's Gowind.
 
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I just gonna ask this. If, the Damen supossed to let us involved in the PKR project for more than 5% work share, did PT PAL ready to do the workshare ?
Im okay that we only get 5% workshare because at the end the PKR project done sucessfully, than to get more than 5% work share, but risked the PKR to end up like our neighbour's Gowind.

**** up with Sigma class, they are promising us a lot since Diponegoro contract but in the end it just total gimmick. That's why enough is enough.

What's more they invested big on Vietnam instead of Indonesia, that's what Made many people piss off with Damen.
 
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**** up with Sigma class, they are promising us a lot since Diponegoro contract but in the end it just total gimmick. That's why enough is enough.

What's more they invested big on Vietnam instead of Indonesia, that's what Made many people piss off with Damen.
and yet we are ordering more sigma (the rumour says it), let just hope this time they stick to their words.
 
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All he can do is parotting " interesting " over and over again yet fail to even read basic knowledge on DSCA. Like how many amateurs and naives in this group actually
 
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and yet we are ordering more sigma (the rumour says it), let just hope this time they stick to their words.

They are never, Dutch is always Dutch they will always jelly to see us better off. Remember the Leopard case

There is agent/backer of Damen within the Navy, and to compromized the previous contract for follow on order we only follow up once more. But the rest especially KKIP is adamant to left the Dutch entirely and that's why Itver Huitveld came in the game right now.

Btw, i hope we can be more transparent on how we procure our weapon system especially how much local content we can add to the value. Just look at how serious Australian to play their games and support for their local private industry to playing as subcontractor for defense system


Hawkei Braking System will be Made in Western Australia

09 Juli 2020



Hawkei looeked from below (image : CG Studio)

Western Australian defence industry helping build Army vehicles

Local Perth-based businesses Advanced Braking Technology and VEEM Ltd, will design and manufacture a specialised braking system for the Army’s Hawkei vehicle, another sign of growing capability in Australia’s advanced manufacturing sector.

Minister for Defence Industry, Melissa Price said Advanced Braking Technology was selected in May last year to provide a brake system for testing to Thales Australia, the manufacturer of the Hawkei.

“Advanced Braking Technology has been successful with its testing and will now partner with VEEM to manufacture the system with a contract value of around $2.1 million,” Minister Price said.

“This world-leading technology is an example of the know-how Australian industry can provide for our Army and beyond.”




The contract will help both Advanced Braking Technology and VEEM to diversify their customer bases world-wide and demonstrates their ability to meet Defence’s high engineering standards.

Minister Price said it was an example of how businesses right across our nation are seizing the opportunities the Morrison Government is creating in Australia’s defence industry.

“The equipment has been developed from the proven Failsafe brake system, which has been used extensively within the mining sector for many years, both in Australia and globally,” Minister Price said.

“Now our ADF will benefit from this world-leading technology designed right here in Australia. This is a win for both Defence and these Western Australian companies.”

(Aus DoD)
 
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They are never, Dutch is always Dutch they will always jelly to see us better off. Remember the Leopard case

There is agent/backer of Damen within the Navy, and to compromized the previous contract for follow on order we only follow up once more. But the rest especially KKIP is adamant to left the Dutch entirely and that's why Itver Huitveld came in the game right now.

Btw, i hope we can be more transparent on how we procure our weapon system especially how much local content we can add to the value. Just look at how serious Australian to play their games and support for their local private industry to playing as subcontractor for defense system


Hawkei Braking System will be Made in Western Australia

09 Juli 2020



Hawkei looeked from below (image : CG Studio)

Western Australian defence industry helping build Army vehicles

Local Perth-based businesses Advanced Braking Technology and VEEM Ltd, will design and manufacture a specialised braking system for the Army’s Hawkei vehicle, another sign of growing capability in Australia’s advanced manufacturing sector.

Minister for Defence Industry, Melissa Price said Advanced Braking Technology was selected in May last year to provide a brake system for testing to Thales Australia, the manufacturer of the Hawkei.

“Advanced Braking Technology has been successful with its testing and will now partner with VEEM to manufacture the system with a contract value of around $2.1 million,” Minister Price said.

“This world-leading technology is an example of the know-how Australian industry can provide for our Army and beyond.”




The contract will help both Advanced Braking Technology and VEEM to diversify their customer bases world-wide and demonstrates their ability to meet Defence’s high engineering standards.

Minister Price said it was an example of how businesses right across our nation are seizing the opportunities the Morrison Government is creating in Australia’s defence industry.

“The equipment has been developed from the proven Failsafe brake system, which has been used extensively within the mining sector for many years, both in Australia and globally,” Minister Price said.

“Now our ADF will benefit from this world-leading technology designed right here in Australia. This is a win for both Defence and these Western Australian companies.”

(Aus DoD)
They got the capabilities to equip their warship with local radar (integrated with the aegis) and cms.

Well I'm just quoting PT PAL's Dirut on it, and as I said, went from "buatan anak bangsa" to "hanya subkon doang" in 100



That's interesting, that's the first time I heard on it, any links to read up further? As far I know the first KCR was launched in 2014, while the first PKR was launched in 2016.
Dari artikel berarti kita tidak dapat full TOT (dapet teknologi pembangunan kapalnya tapi proyek masih disetir mereka dan ga dilepas), cuman dapat bagian sebagai sub kontraktor, proyek PKR seluruhnya dipegang damen. Setiap pengadaan kapal baru harus lewat damen karena damen yang mengurus perihal pengadaan subsistem dan bukannya pesan langsung ke PAL. Harus nya TOT yang diminta seperti waktu pembelian LPD dari Korea dulu, sekarang kita bebas bangun dan modif sendiri dan pengadaan subsistem diurus sendiri. Korea ngasih kebebasan sepenuhnya untuk Indonesia teknologi kapal LPD mau di gimanain dan mau dibuat berapa banyak kapal.
 
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**** up with Sigma class, they are promising us a lot since Diponegoro contract but in the end it just total gimmick. That's why enough is enough.

What's more they invested big on Vietnam instead of Indonesia, that's what Made many people piss off with Damen.

Actually your own post show the irony, Damen invested big on vietnam instead of us. If they are willing to Transfer their technology to Vietnam why didn't they do the same to us? Are the problem really solely on Damen part alone? Based on experience and track record there is a lot of problem on our side, just look at KFX program, Defence satelite, program, etc. Sometimes the problem are not on the producer, and sometime what the goverment/our side said are not what really happened. Don't take it with a grain of salt, we should listened from both parties their side of the stories.

On the side note, I don't know why we should replaced Sigma with Iver. I thought the original plan was to acquire both class for different purposes. Meaning both are for separated program.

Light Frigate (PKR) for Workhorse to replace the parchim class hence the original plan for around 20 ships.
Heavy Frigate for Fleet Command/Escort to replace the Van Speijk class

CMIIW.
 
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I think someone should enlighten the president, not all hardware we need can be bought in local market, even if our own factory can make it it Will be underpowered and need time to mature product,

Not All vendors willing to share their technolgy for tot, it Will be pricey and need commitment , kfx for example how the government fail to resolve
He knows that. The statement that came out is a political one and isn't something that people in the know should be concerned about. For the most part if they go ahead with the Osprey, you can guarantee that PTDI would become a major player in Bell's global supply chain. Not specifically the Osprey, but Bell offers a lot more products then just the Osprey. That alone satisfies his local involvement requirement. Unlike our deals from a certain country we call 'tEmAn lAMa!1!"
 
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I love how the F-16 is conveniently not on that list even though it's the likeliest one to be bought.
 
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Actually your own post show the irony, Damen invested big on vietnam instead of us. If they are willing to Transfer their technology to Vietnam why didn't they do the same to us? Are the problem really solely on Damen part alone? Based on experience and track record there is a lot of problem on our side, just look at KFX program, Defence satelite, program, etc. Sometimes the problem are not on the producer, and sometime what the goverment/our side said are not what really happened. Don't take it with a grain of salt, we should listened from both parties their side of the stories.

On the side note, I don't know why we should replaced Sigma with Iver. I thought the original plan was to acquire both class for different purposes. Meaning both are for separated program.

Light Frigate (PKR) for Workhorse to replace the parchim class hence the original plan for around 20 ships.
Heavy Frigate for Fleet Command/Escort to replace the Van Speijk class


CMIIW.

You know the problem with Damen came far from the current government era (in which the previous MoD majestically screw it big). I think i Will not dwell on that again. Let say the rant is end right now


And nooo, the original plan is not like' what i bold. I had previously mention it several times, i will not repeat it again.
 
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Don't know where to put this one

Indonesia lauds Serbia over extraditing fugitive in bank fraud case
9th Jul 2020 18:32

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Banten (ANTARA) - The Government of Indonesia praised its Serbian counterpart for its help in extraditing Maria Pauline Lumowa, a fugitive 17 years since being named a suspect, over Bank Negara Indonesia's (BNI's) US$136-million fraud case.

Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs Mahfud MD affirmed that the handover procedure of the fugitive was concluded owing to Law and Human Rights Minister Yasonna Laoly’s intensive communication with the Serbian government.

To this end, Mahfud and Laoly held a press conference at the Soekarno-Hatta International Airport on Thursday after inspecting the process of Lumowa’s arrival in Indonesia.

"On behalf of the Indonesian government, I extend our gratitude to the Serbian government over the smooth cooperation as well as the facilities and assistance provided by the Serbian president owing to which we were able to bring back this fugitive," Mahfud informed the press.

"The law and human rights minister had communicated with the Serbian government since the past year until last night when the perpetrator was officially handed over," he remarked, adding that Lumowa will perhaps have another opportunity to be free if the process was extended by a week.

Related news: DPR commends extradition of Rp1.7-tln bank fraud fugitive from Serbia
Related news: Indonesia, Serbia strengthen ties to fight transnational crime

Laoly conveyed Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic’s regards to President Joko Widodo, as he quoted the president as saying that the historical friendship between his nation and Indonesia in the fields of law, politics, economy, and culture will always be maintained and improved.

"This (extradition process) demonstrates our commitment towards the law enforcement process," Laoly stated.

Lumowa was extradited from Serbia on Wednesday, July 8, and arrived here on Thursday afternoon after which she was placed in detention by the Indonesian Police’s Criminal Investigation Agency (Bareskrim), pending further investigation.

Lumowa is one of the suspects, who allegedly used a fake letter of credit to commit a bank fraud. During the period from October 2002 to July 2003, the BNI liquidated US$136 million and 56 million Euros for the Gramarindo Group owned by Lumowa and her husband, Adrian Waworuntu.

"She is 'a burglar' of BNI (when she committed the crime along) with her partners by using a fake letter of credit in 2003 to get Rp1.2 trillion," Laoly stated while rectifying an earlier statement that the amount was Rp1.7 trillion when converted on the basis of today's exchange rate.

Related news: House suggests RI cooperate with Singapore on extradition
Related news: Indonesia pursues mutual legal assistance treaty with Serbia
Translated by: Fathur Rochman, Suwanti
Editor: Sri Haryati

https://en.antaranews.com/news/1521...-over-extraditing-fugitive-in-bank-fraud-case

Justice is prevail at last, i know where Edy Tansil right now. He is owner of one beer company in China mainland and owns several other business there.
 
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