Indonesia Defence Forum

[Cromwell]

It's funny question on upper comment, does that person even understand on how DSCA released ? And yet still asking that question

 

[mejikuhibiu]

Im much more like if tni buy chinook or blekhok.. but if we see the radius of osprey its ideal for our archipelago.. there is plus minus osprey and other helo.. semuanya pasti sdh dikaji sm kemenhan..

 

[kooppyyy]

You (foreigner) do corruption in US soil involved their own company, then they Will after you even to the ends of the world

Ironically, people that use Brigjen Teddy case as an example to point out the flaw with the U.S procurement processes should consider that he could've and most likely will be gotten away Scots free had the deals been done with non-U.S party (i.e. Rosoboronexport). Reminded me of PAL, with Damen corruption allegation, went from "PKR buatan anak bangsa" into "dapat kerjaan 5% saja" (Although do correct me on this one, my memory a bit hazy)

KRI 331 on the way to RIMPAC, I wonder if it carrying the Panther ASW helo on it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280842472109703169

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Are Japan-USA have submarine detection link in our seas? Are our side is noticed by US or not?
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IIRC Those SOSUS lines (plural) has been installed since late 90's or early 00's (forgot which). And is govern by treaty between Indonesia - US

 

[HellFireIndo]

Who's this alman helvas guy? he sounds like a salesman, and he doesn't seems to be very consistent.

 

[Ruhnama]

IIRC Those SOSUS lines (plural) has been installed since late 90's or early 00's (forgot which). And is govern by treaty between Indonesia - US

If some foreigner subs (eg chungkuo sub) came and detected by sosus lines, are US will warned and notified us?

 

[umigami]

Who's this alman helvas guy? he sounds like a salesman, and he doesn't seems to be very consistent.

I just think of him as "sumber bocoran" guy, sometimes he is right, sometimes not, and he clearly has his own agenda so don't believe him 100%.

 

[Nike]

Progress 2 Kapal LST Buatan PT Bandar Abadi, Batam

09 Juli 2020



Progress 2 LST buatan PT Bandar Abadi Batam pada Juni 2020 (photo : Roni Arsyah)

Galangan kapal PT Bandar Abadi Shipyard Batam pada bulan Januari 2019 lalu telah ditunjuk untuk membangun kapal LST ke-8 dan ke-9 pesanan Kementerian Pertahanan untuk TNI AL sebagai pengganti kapal-kapal amfibi yang telah tua.

Progress pembangunan dua kapal LST ini diunggah oleh Roni Arsyah pada 15 Juni 2020 lalu dan tampak bahwa konstruksi kedua badan kapal ini telah sampai pada top deck dan menampakkan perkembangan yang signifikan dibandingkan unggahan sebelumnya pada bulan Desember 2019. Sebagaimana diketahui mulai awal Maret 2020 di Indonesia telah muncul kasus virus Covid-19 dan aktifitas bisnis menurun drastis karena penerapan Pembatasan Sosial Berskala Besar (PSBB).

Kementerian Pertahanan telah membangun 7 kapal LST di galangan kapal dalam negeri, Kapal LST dengan nomor lambung 518 dan 519 dibuat di galangan kapal PT Dok Kodja Bahari (DKB) Jakarta, nomor lambung 520, 521 di galangan kapal PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) Bandar Lampung kemudian untuk nomor lambung 522, 523, dan 524 PT DRU mendapatkan kontrak lanjutannya.


Progress 2 LST buatan PT Bandar Abadi Batam pada Desember 2019 (photo : Roni Arsyah)

Meskipun kapal LST 518 dan 519 mendapatkan kontrak terlebih dahulu, namun untuk komisioning kapal yang pertama kali justru dilakukan oleh kapal LST 520 KRI Teluk Bintuni buatan PT DRU, sehingga untuk selanjutnya kelas kapal ini dinamakan Bintuni Class.

Dua kapal senilai Rp 360 miliar ini penanda-tanganan kontraknya dilakukan pada bulan April 2019, berdasarkan kontrak LST batch pertama penyelesaian kapal LST membutuhkan waktu selama 16 bulan semenjak kontrak efektif. Bila proses pencairan down payment selama-lamanya sesuai kontrak internasional diberikan waktu hingga 130 hari maka kapal seharusnya selesai pada Desember 2020.


Sesuai tata cara penamaan kapal di TNI AL maka nama kapal LST ini akan menggunakan nama teluk yang ada di Indonesia. Kita tunggu saja kedua kapal LST ini akan dinamakan teluk apa di Indonesia, yang jelas dari Bintuni class belum ada pengulangan nama dari kapal amfibi yang telah pensiun.

 

[gondes]

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...-prabowo-borong-alutsista-pt-di-sampai-pindad

 

[Indos]

Ironically, people that use Brigjen Teddy case as an example to point out the flaw with the U.S procurement processes should consider that he could've and most likely will be gotten away Scots free had the deals been done with non-U.S party (i.e. Rosoboronexport). Reminded me of PAL, with Damen corruption allegation, went from "PKR buatan anak bangsa" into "dapat kerjaan 5% saja" (Although do correct me on this one, my memory a bit hazy)

KRI 331 on the way to RIMPAC, I wonder if it carrying the Panther ASW helo on it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280842472109703169

I dont agree for someone saying PT PAL only do 5 % work on PKR. It is clear that they make big section of the ship as the ship is made in modular (some are made in here, some in Netherland) and do the integration process. From that experience, it enables PAL to make recent KCR 60 using modular system as well.

Likrly the v22 issue is a hot ball. Something happen, some said like that. It is true?

The issue is already hot during Cabinet meeting and Jokowi doesnt like the idea.

Sementara itu, Presiden Joko Widodo meminta Prabowo agar melakukan pengadaan alutsista dari perusahaan dalam negeri, seperti PT Dirgantara Indonesia, Pindad, dan PT PAL. Hal itu untuk menggairahkan perekonomian dalam negeri di tengah pandemi Covid-19. "Di Kemenhan, bisa saja di DI, beli di Pindad, beli di PAL. Yang bayar di sini ya yang cash, cash, cash. APBN, beli produk dalam negeri. Saya kira Pak Menhan juga lebih tahu mengenai ini," kata Jokowi saat memimpin rapat terbatas di Istana Kepresidenan, Jakarta, Selasa (7/7/2020). Rapat tersebut digelar tertutup dari wartawan. Namun, Biro Pers menyampaikan siaran pers pada Rabu (8/7/2020). Baca juga: Indonesia beli MV-22 Osprey, Negara Mana Lagi yang Beli? "Saya kira belanja-belanja yang dulu belanja ke luar, direm dulu. Beli, belanja, yang produk-produk kita. Agar apa? Ekonomi kena trigger, bisa memacu growth kita, pertumbuhan (ekonomi) kita," ucap Presiden.

Artikel ini telah tayang di Kompas.com dengan judul "MV-22 Osprey, antara Klaim Amerika, Pendekatan Rusia, dan Desakan Jokowi", https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...-pendekatan-rusia-dan-desakan-jokowi?page=all.
Penulis : Dani Prabowo
Editor : Dani Prabowo

 

[san.geuk]

I think someone should enlighten the president, not all hardware we need can be bought in local market, even if our own factory can make it it Will be underpowered and need time to mature product,

Not All vendors willing to share their technolgy for tot, it Will be pricey and need commitment , kfx for example how the government fail to resolve

 

[kooppyyy]

I dont agree for someone saying PT PAL only do 5 % work on PKR. It is clear that they make big section of the ship as the ship is made in modular (some are made in here, some in Netherland) and do the integration process).

Well I'm just quoting PT PAL's Dirut on it, and as I said, went from "buatan anak bangsa" to "hanya subkon doang" in 100

PT PAL hanya subkontraktor dari pembuatan dua kapal tersebut yakni kapal PKR (Perusak Kawal Rudal) 1 dan PKR 2. Kontrak pengadaan kapal itu, kata Budiman, adalah antara Kementerian Pertahanan dan Damen Shipyard.

"PAL tidak mengetahui biaya-biaya yang dikeluarkan Damen, baik untuk apa peruntukannya dan berapa nilai nominalnya," ujar Budiman saat dihubungi kumparan, Kamis (8/11).

Budiman menambahkan, PAL hanya menerima bayaran dua kapal tersebut sesuai dengan bagian pekerjaan mereka. PAL hanya menerima 3,8% dari PKR 1 dan 4,3% dari PKR 2 dengan total nilai kontrak sekitar USD 220 juta untuk masing-masing kapal.

"PAL hanya menerima pembayaran sebatas pada scope of work yang menjadi bagian pekerjaan PAL. Masing-masing sebesar 3.8% dan 4.3% dari nilai kontrak per kapal," ucapnya

https://kumparan.com/kumparannews/p...xKD2PZ7PRL3Q7vCcSPRrp-K8IUgDm5RftN-Uu6b7jykHs

From that experience, it enables PAL to make recent KCR 60 using modular system as well.

That's interesting, that's the first time I heard on it, any links to read up further? As far I know the first KCR was launched in 2014, while the first PKR was launched in 2016.

 

[Gen3115]

I dont agree for someone saying PT PAL only do 5 % work on PKR. It is clear that they make big section of the ship as the ship is made in modular (some are made in here, some in Netherland) and do the integration process. From that experience, it enables PAL to make recent KCR 60 using modular system as well.



The issue is already hot during Cabinet meeting and Jokowi doesnt like the idea.

Sementara itu, Presiden Joko Widodo meminta Prabowo agar melakukan pengadaan alutsista dari perusahaan dalam negeri, seperti PT Dirgantara Indonesia, Pindad, dan PT PAL. Hal itu untuk menggairahkan perekonomian dalam negeri di tengah pandemi Covid-19. "Di Kemenhan, bisa saja di DI, beli di Pindad, beli di PAL. Yang bayar di sini ya yang cash, cash, cash. APBN, beli produk dalam negeri. Saya kira Pak Menhan juga lebih tahu mengenai ini," kata Jokowi saat memimpin rapat terbatas di Istana Kepresidenan, Jakarta, Selasa (7/7/2020). Rapat tersebut digelar tertutup dari wartawan. Namun, Biro Pers menyampaikan siaran pers pada Rabu (8/7/2020). Baca juga: Indonesia beli MV-22 Osprey, Negara Mana Lagi yang Beli? "Saya kira belanja-belanja yang dulu belanja ke luar, direm dulu. Beli, belanja, yang produk-produk kita. Agar apa? Ekonomi kena trigger, bisa memacu growth kita, pertumbuhan (ekonomi) kita," ucap Presiden.
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Just because they look like they're making big sections of the ship in photos doesn't mean they're actually getting their worth in the tech transfer deal.

I find this to be funny since PT DI would probably be happy with the Army getting MV-22's because it gives them job opportunities since PT DI has long established relationships with Bell, probably even longer than Airbus and Boeing.

 

[Indos]

That's interesting, that's the first time I heard on it, any links to read up further? As far I know the first KCR was launched in 2014, while the first PKR was launched in 2016.

I watched news on Youtube and there is PAL official said thing like that. It is not the old KCR but the recent one. When I watch it, the ships are still under construction. I am quite sure with this and my memory is quite strong on this as well.

 

[Nike]

Just because they look like they're making big sections of the ship in photos doesn't mean they're actually getting their worth in the tech transfer deal.

I find this to be funny since PT DI would probably be happy with the Army getting MV-22's because it gives them job opportunities since PT DI has long established relationships with Bell, probably even longer than Airbus and Boeing.

With the Advent of Bell Valor and other tilt rotor technology, our move will be very strategic ones. Hope we can seize the opportunity to become the parts supplier and first MRO center in the region for this kind of novel technology. We are failed to look at such chance when we acquire C130 A/B in the past and ironically let the Malaysia and Singapore seize such opportunity. Hope our leadership can see such future and not deterred by the nominal value at the moments.