Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

How the hell is there kick back in a US FMS acquisition, US FMS are hard to be corrupted or bribed since its the most transparent way of acquisition there is, the whole reason a DSCA notification exists is to provide transparency for FMS acquisitions, thats why they always state the overall value and even the contractors involved

Like the Rafale or Gripen deals is free of corruption and sweetener

 

[Ruhnama]

The US will not release a DSCA Notification if there is no serious request. I don"t know why everyone eats up everything what Alman tweeted. He's been wrong a couple of times. Funny thing is he always speaks of commonality but he is in favor for Rafale. Thats not consistent of him. Lol.

Remember that he tweeted before that there will be no new contract in 2020. Looks like he is wrong again.

Likely some poeple believe his word because some people have contacted (or maybe he also appeared in some WAG discussion etc) also people trust him bcoz his background former janes.

 

[Indos]

How the hell is there kick back in a US FMS acquisition, US FMS are hard to be corrupted or bribed since its the most transparent way of acquisition there is, the whole reason a DSCA notification exists is to provide transparency for FMS acquisitions, thats why they always state the overall value and even the contractors involved

It is the most transparent, yes. But the possibility for that is still there. Dont be naive. If it doesnt meet the requirement but we still request it so there is something fishy there.

But we dont know who the source is so just see it as speculation.

 

[Nike]

It is the most transparent, yes. But the possibility for that is still there. Dont be naive. If it doesnt meet the requirement but we still request it so there is something fishy there.

But we dont know who the source is so just see it as speculation.

And you based your argument from someone tweet, hello???

 

[Ruhnama]

I found someone who chat wiyh helvas (likely i cant sent the picture) but actually it is kemenhan accept it in 2020 for this deal.

Sorry if i only maybe tell this. (Takut ngelanggar batasan ane)

Actually kemenhan want to calming down netizen because the condition like Cov19 but govt buy premium aircraft is like making people debating etc.

 

[umigami]

I found someone who chat wiyh helvas (likely i cant sent the picture) but actually it is kemenhan accept it in 2020 for this deal.

Sorry if i only maybe tell this. (Takut ngelanggar batasan ane)

What are you talking about?
Betulin tulisannya gan, bingung gw

 

[Indos]

And you based your argument from someone tweet, hello???

Thats why I said it is still in speculation. @Chestnut as some one in the industry has already explained about our armed force acquisition process which is still not clear of bribery yet. Even you also acknowledge that.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Pembelian apache kemarin ada kasus korupsinya.

 

[Ruhnama]

What are you talking about?
Betulin tulisannya gan, bingung gw

Intinya, ada orang chat ama AH trus kata AH itu kontrak dari Feb 2020, dan itu cuman miskom kemenhan saja. Mungkin itu kemenhan mau menenangkan warga supaya tdk ramai. Banyak yg ribut karena bandingin ini osprey dgn Chinook lah atau juga bandingin harga osprey dgn harga iver serta ada yg anggep buang duit dah tau lagi covid19

Dah itu dulu deh

 

[umigami]

Intinya, ada orang chat ama AH trus kata AH itu kontrak dari Feb 2020, dan itu cuman miskom kemenhan saja. Mungkin itu kemenhan mau menenangkan warga supaya tdk ramai. Banyak yg ribut karena bandingin ini osprey dgn Chinook lah atau juga bandingin harga osprey dgn harga iver serta ada yg anggep buang duit dah tau lagi covid19

Dah itu dulu deh

Yang miscom itu maksudnya:
1. Miscom antara kemenhan dengan DSCA, sebenarnya ga minta persetujuan. Atau
2. AH yg miscom soal tak memenuhi requirement
???

 

[Raduga]

Pembelian apache kemarin ada kasus korupsinya.

yeah brigjen teddy

 

[Ruhnama]

Yang miscom itu maksudnya:
1. Miscom antara kemenhan dengan DSCA, sebenarnya ga minta persetujuan. Atau
2. AH yg miscom soal tak memenuhi requirement
???

Miskom di org dlem kemenhan. Sebenernya ini dah deal dri feb 20. Cuman org2 di kemenhan pingin nenangin masyarakat tapi malah jdi salah paham seakan2 kemenhan ga mau ini barang.

 

[Raduga]

Yang miscom itu maksudnya:
1. Miscom antara kemenhan dengan DSCA, sebenarnya ga minta persetujuan. Atau
2. AH yg miscom soal tak memenuhi requirement
???

i believe he was meant to point at my previous post with koran kompas screenshot , the kemenhan was actually already signed the contract, yet they still denied about it(even though the contract will be arranged as per available loan/budget, so it will not truly $2 billion as DSCA mentioned).

sebener nya masyarakat sini yang kurang paparan aja , $2 billion full package same full service masa hidup itu udah wajar , cuma kan kontrak kontrak sebelum nya kalo disini beli ngeteng , alias cuman maparin harga barang doang , ya jadi nya keliatan murah, coba liat proyekan australi kaya fregat , helikopter ,dan kapal selem yang jumlah nya ga seberapa tapi nilai kontrak hampir nyentuh sebesar anggaran kemenhan kita , ya karena mereka juga masukin biaya pendukung , training ,maintenance, operasional untuk semasa hidup itu alutsista ke dalam biaya procurement juga.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2...-frigate-contract-here-are-the-build-details/

2,8 billion per fregat tapi udah full package untuk support semasa hidup itu kapal .

 

[umigami]

Miskom di org dlem kemenhan. Sebenernya ini dah deal dri feb 20. Cuman org2 di kemenhan pingin nenangin masyarakat tapi malah jdi salah paham seakan2 kemenhan ga mau ini barang.

So that AH tweet kind of "memperkeruh suasana" huh...

 

[Rayadipa]

Miskom di org dlem kemenhan. Sebenernya ini dah deal dri feb 20. Cuman org2 di kemenhan pingin nenangin masyarakat tapi malah jdi salah paham seakan2 kemenhan ga mau ini barang.

Gw masih gk ngerti tentang maksud "nenangin masyarakat" , jadi maksudnya sebenarnya barangnya udh deal, tapi kemenhan belum mau buka ke masyarakat karena takut dikira "pemborosan" atau "tidak sensitif" di masa covid ini ?