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As Prabowo visits Russia again, little headway on Sukhoi


Marchio Irfan Gorbiano
The Jakarta Post

Jakarta

Jakarta / Wed, July 1, 2020 / 09:15 am

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t your command: Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto salutes journalists before his first working meeting as minister with members of House of Representatives Commission I, which oversees defense, foreign affairs, information and intelligence, at the House complex in Senayan, Central Jakarta.(JP/Dhoni Setiawan)

Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto’s recent visit to Russia to attend the Victory Day military parade highlighted the depth of cooperation in the defense sector between the two countries despite the absence of progress in Indonesia’s plan to procure Russian Sukhoi jet fighters, defense analysts have said.

Last week, Prabowo jetted off to Moscow to join the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Victory Day, during which he also held talks with Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin.

Prabowo's latest visit to Moscow was the second in less than six months, after a trip on Jan. 28, when he met with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu.

Defense analysts said Prabowo's latest visit to Moscow is the culmination of a two-year campaign from the Indonesian Defense Ministry to offer a strategic partnership in the defense industry between the two countries, an overture that has been welcomed by the Russian government, which gradually opened itself to such an idea with the 2019 Military Technical Cooperation (MTC) meeting.

Analyst Curie Maharani Savitri of BINUS University said Prabowo's latest visit marked the changing nature of the two countries’ defense partnership, which dated back to 2003.

“Indonesia has been invested in bilateral relations with Russia since the days of president Megawati Soekarnoputri in 2003,” Curie said. “The [relationship is] evolving, from the initial role of Indonesia as a buyer of [Russia’s] primary weapons system; now Russia has opened itself to the prospect of [defense] industry cooperation [with Indonesia].”

Russia’s pivot in the defense partnership with Indonesia was part of a bigger plan to improve its ties with countries in the Southeast Asia region, which have been seen so far only as consumers of its primary weapons system, Curie said.

In a statement released following his January meeting with Prabowo, Defense Minister Shoygu considered Indonesia a key partner in the region.

“We consider Indonesia as one of the most important partners of Russia in the Asia-Pacific region. Cooperation with Indonesia is traditionally based on friendship and mutual trust. We note that there are prerequisites for bringing bilateral ties to the level of a strategic partnership,” Shoygu said in a statement released by the Russian Defense Ministry. In the statement, Shoygu expressed hope that a declaration on the strategic partnership could be signed between the two countries this year.

Despite the warming of the ties, questions remain over progress in the US$1.14 billion deal signed in 2018 for Indonesia’s purchase of 11 Sukhoi Su-35 jet fighters from Russia as part of the former’s defense sector modernization.

A number of factors, including budget refocusing to tackle the COVID-19 pandemic as well as uncertainty over the United States’ reaction to such a purchase, are possible stumbling blocks in finalizing the Sukhoi deal.

The Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), passed in the US in 2017, stipulates economic punishments for its partners that conduct business with Russia.

“There is not yet any clarity on whether Indonesia will get a [CAATSA] waiver, whether Defense Minister [Prabowo] has lobbied [the US] or will wait until after the upcoming US election,” Curie said.

The idea of a CAATSA waiver has been floated since 2018, when then-US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said such a provision would allow US partners to have a closer partnership with the superpower and help them transition away from their dependency on Russia in terms of military weapons procurement.

Defense analyst Dewi Fortuna Anwar of the Indonesian Institute of Sciences (LIPI), meanwhile, said Prabowo’s recent visit to Moscow highlighted Indonesia’s aim to diversify its sources of weaponry to reduce its dependency on a single manufacturer.

Dewi said Indonesia paid a heavy price when the US imposed an arms embargo on Indonesia in 1999.

“Following the military embargo from the US after the post-referendum violence in East Timor, the government's new commitment was to diversify its [sources] of primary weaponry system procurement,” said Dewi.

Defense Ministry spokesman Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak, meanwhile, said Prabowo had been invited by his Russian counterpart to discuss defense ties between the two countries.

“In the meeting, Defense Minister [Prabowo] and the Russian defense minister touched on issues of defense partnership, particularly military education, joint training and the development of defense industry cooperation,” Dahnil told The Jakarta Post late last week.

During his visit, Prabowo also joined the Victory Day parade commemorating the Soviet Union’s triumph in the Second World War. He also met with Chinese Defense Minister Wei Fenghe while attending the parade, with pictures of the two men uploaded to the Defense Ministry’s Twitter handle @Kemhan_RI on June 24.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ts-russia-again-little-headway-on-sukhoi.html
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I got this pic from my friend and (likely) stated that TNI will procure AASM Hammer, the problem is we don't have any platform to use hammer. F-16, Sukhoi family and TA-50 isn't compatible with this weaponry. Dassault fighter family was compatible.
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Jdam is far more cheaper and easy to be fitted to most of Indonesian Aircraft fighter like A29 Super Tucano, F16, T/A50 and Hawk 100/200) except for RE and future KFX i don't see the use of Hammer in Indonesia Air Force
 
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You know lah.. iron brotherhood.. ud beberapa yg gw laporin karena ngehina kita n agama.. ga ada tanggapan dr modnya
Yea, that F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet with CFT is promising. That CFT surely extend the range, tho it might not be close to Sukhoi but it clearly give hornet a chance to challange/gradually replace Sukhoi existance in a future. That if we drop out of KFX deal.

Btw whats going on with our third Nagapasa class? We seem to have somes hort of problems commisioning this latest sub.
The sub is still on sea trials up to end of the year or early next year.

And the problems over the new subs has not over yet. So sad to know how many sub is in S condition at any time.
 
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The sub is still on sea trials up to end of the year or early next year.

And the problems over the new subs has not over yet. So sad to know how many sub is in S condition at any time.
and the next batch is still on hold while we already signed contract ,we could get penaltized if we suddenly terminate the contract .
 
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Menhan Prabowo Ajukan Anggaran Rp 129,3 Triliun, Termasuk untuk Beli Alat Tempur

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Defile Alutsista TNI saat HUT Ke-74 TNI di Lanud Halim Perdanakusuma, Jakarta TImur, Sabtu (5/10/2019). Foto: Helmi Afandi/kumparan
Menteri Pertahanan Prabowo Subianto mengajukan anggaran sebesar Rp 129,3 triliun pada anggaran tahun 2021 mendatang. Hal itu berdasarkan dokumen Kerangka Ekonomi Makro dan Pokok Kebijakan Fiskal tahun 2021 yang diterima kumparan, Rabu (1/7).

Alokasi anggaran Kemhan yang mencapai Rp 129,3 triliun itu berasal dari dari rupiah murni Rp 113,1 triliun (87,5 persen), pagu penggunaan PNBP Rp 2,1 triliun (1,6 persen), pagu penggunaan BLU Rp 3,1 triliun (2,4 persen), dan SBSN Rp 0,9 triliun (0,7 persen).


Rencananya, dana ratusan triliun itu akan digunakan untuk mendukung pencapaian target prioritas pembangunan nasional bidang pertahanan. Kemhan sendiri sudah menyusun empat program untuk mencapai target prioritas pembangunan nasional bidang pertahanan, termasuk pengadaan alat tempur.


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Menhan Prabowo Subianto tinjau Rumah Sakit dr. Suyoto Pusat Rehabilitasi Kementerian Pertahanan (Pusrehab Kemhan) di Bintaro, Jakarta Selatan. Foto: Dok. Humas Kemhan
Rincian empat program itu yakni; Program Penggunaan Kekuatan, Program Modernisasi Alutsista dan Non Alutsista dan Sarana dan Prasarana Pertahanan, Program Pembinaan Sumber Daya Pertahanan, dan Program Profesionalisme dan Kesejahteraan Prajurit.

Anggaran Rp 129,3 triliun juga akan digunakan untuk memenuhi sasaran output strategis Kemhan pada tahun 2021 yakni pengadaan alutsista baru. Hanya saja tidak jelaskan secara rinci jenis alutsista yang akan dibeli oleh Kemhan.

Terkait hal ini, tertulis dalam dokumen itu sebagai berikut:

Adapun beberapa sasaran output strategis Kementerian Pertahanan pada tahun 2021 antara lain: (1) dukungan pengadaan alutsista sebanyak 5 paket; (2) dukungan pengadaan munisi kaliber kecil sebanyak 1 kegiatan; (3) dukungan pengadaan/penggantian kendaraan tempur sebanyak 12 unit; (4) KRI, KAL, Alpung dan Ranpur/Rantis Matra Laut sebanyak 14 unit; (5) Dukungan pengadaan/penggantian pesawat udara dan lainnya sebanyak 4 unit.

Alokasi rupiah murni juga ditujukan untuk penyelesaian proyek/kegiatan yang ditunda/terhambat akibat adanya pandemi COVID-19 di tahun anggaran 2020.

https://m.kumparan.com/kumparannews...n-termasuk-untuk-beli-alat-tempur-1tieViayo0z
 
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Alternative?
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As Prabowo visits Russia again, little headway on Sukhoi


Marchio Irfan Gorbiano
The Jakarta Post

Jakarta

Jakarta / Wed, July 1, 2020 / 09:15 am

2019_11_13_82287_1573610369._medium.jpg

t your command: Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto salutes journalists before his first working meeting as minister with members of House of Representatives Commission I, which oversees defense, foreign affairs, information and intelligence, at the House complex in Senayan, Central Jakarta.(JP/Dhoni Setiawan)

Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto’s recent visit to Russia to attend the Victory Day military parade highlighted the depth of cooperation in the defense sector between the two countries despite the absence of progress in Indonesia’s plan to procure Russian Sukhoi jet fighters, defense analysts have said.

Last week, Prabowo jetted off to Moscow to join the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Victory Day, during which he also held talks with Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin.

Prabowo's latest visit to Moscow was the second in less than six months, after a trip on Jan. 28, when he met with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu.

Defense analysts said Prabowo's latest visit to Moscow is the culmination of a two-year campaign from the Indonesian Defense Ministry to offer a strategic partnership in the defense industry between the two countries, an overture that has been welcomed by the Russian government, which gradually opened itself to such an idea with the 2019 Military Technical Cooperation (MTC) meeting.

Analyst Curie Maharani Savitri of BINUS University said Prabowo's latest visit marked the changing nature of the two countries’ defense partnership, which dated back to 2003.

“Indonesia has been invested in bilateral relations with Russia since the days of president Megawati Soekarnoputri in 2003,” Curie said. “The [relationship is] evolving, from the initial role of Indonesia as a buyer of [Russia’s] primary weapons system; now Russia has opened itself to the prospect of [defense] industry cooperation [with Indonesia].”

Russia’s pivot in the defense partnership with Indonesia was part of a bigger plan to improve its ties with countries in the Southeast Asia region, which have been seen so far only as consumers of its primary weapons system, Curie said.

In a statement released following his January meeting with Prabowo, Defense Minister Shoygu considered Indonesia a key partner in the region.

“We consider Indonesia as one of the most important partners of Russia in the Asia-Pacific region. Cooperation with Indonesia is traditionally based on friendship and mutual trust. We note that there are prerequisites for bringing bilateral ties to the level of a strategic partnership,” Shoygu said in a statement released by the Russian Defense Ministry. In the statement, Shoygu expressed hope that a declaration on the strategic partnership could be signed between the two countries this year.

Despite the warming of the ties, questions remain over progress in the US$1.14 billion deal signed in 2018 for Indonesia’s purchase of 11 Sukhoi Su-35 jet fighters from Russia as part of the former’s defense sector modernization.

A number of factors, including budget refocusing to tackle the COVID-19 pandemic as well as uncertainty over the United States’ reaction to such a purchase, are possible stumbling blocks in finalizing the Sukhoi deal.

The Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), passed in the US in 2017, stipulates economic punishments for its partners that conduct business with Russia.

“There is not yet any clarity on whether Indonesia will get a [CAATSA] waiver, whether Defense Minister [Prabowo] has lobbied [the US] or will wait until after the upcoming US election,” Curie said.

The idea of a CAATSA waiver has been floated since 2018, when then-US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said such a provision would allow US partners to have a closer partnership with the superpower and help them transition away from their dependency on Russia in terms of military weapons procurement.

Defense analyst Dewi Fortuna Anwar of the Indonesian Institute of Sciences (LIPI), meanwhile, said Prabowo’s recent visit to Moscow highlighted Indonesia’s aim to diversify its sources of weaponry to reduce its dependency on a single manufacturer.

Dewi said Indonesia paid a heavy price when the US imposed an arms embargo on Indonesia in 1999.

“Following the military embargo from the US after the post-referendum violence in East Timor, the government's new commitment was to diversify its [sources] of primary weaponry system procurement,” said Dewi.

Defense Ministry spokesman Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak, meanwhile, said Prabowo had been invited by his Russian counterpart to discuss defense ties between the two countries.

“In the meeting, Defense Minister [Prabowo] and the Russian defense minister touched on issues of defense partnership, particularly military education, joint training and the development of defense industry cooperation,” Dahnil told The Jakarta Post late last week.

During his visit, Prabowo also joined the Victory Day parade commemorating the Soviet Union’s triumph in the Second World War. He also met with Chinese Defense Minister Wei Fenghe while attending the parade, with pictures of the two men uploaded to the Defense Ministry’s Twitter handle @Kemhan_RI on June 24.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ts-russia-again-little-headway-on-sukhoi.html
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I got this pic from my friend and (likely) stated that TNI will procure AASM Hammer, the problem is we don't have any platform to use hammer. F-16, Sukhoi family and TA-50 isn't compatible with this weaponry. Dassault fighter family was compatible.
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Why acquire 100 Hammer when you already buy 200 LJDAM MK82 ?
 
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View attachment 646603

As Prabowo visits Russia again, little headway on Sukhoi


Marchio Irfan Gorbiano
The Jakarta Post

Jakarta

Jakarta / Wed, July 1, 2020 / 09:15 am

2019_11_13_82287_1573610369._medium.jpg

t your command: Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto salutes journalists before his first working meeting as minister with members of House of Representatives Commission I, which oversees defense, foreign affairs, information and intelligence, at the House complex in Senayan, Central Jakarta.(JP/Dhoni Setiawan)

Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto’s recent visit to Russia to attend the Victory Day military parade highlighted the depth of cooperation in the defense sector between the two countries despite the absence of progress in Indonesia’s plan to procure Russian Sukhoi jet fighters, defense analysts have said.

Last week, Prabowo jetted off to Moscow to join the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Victory Day, during which he also held talks with Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin.

Prabowo's latest visit to Moscow was the second in less than six months, after a trip on Jan. 28, when he met with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoygu.

Defense analysts said Prabowo's latest visit to Moscow is the culmination of a two-year campaign from the Indonesian Defense Ministry to offer a strategic partnership in the defense industry between the two countries, an overture that has been welcomed by the Russian government, which gradually opened itself to such an idea with the 2019 Military Technical Cooperation (MTC) meeting.

Analyst Curie Maharani Savitri of BINUS University said Prabowo's latest visit marked the changing nature of the two countries’ defense partnership, which dated back to 2003.

“Indonesia has been invested in bilateral relations with Russia since the days of president Megawati Soekarnoputri in 2003,” Curie said. “The [relationship is] evolving, from the initial role of Indonesia as a buyer of [Russia’s] primary weapons system; now Russia has opened itself to the prospect of [defense] industry cooperation [with Indonesia].”

Russia’s pivot in the defense partnership with Indonesia was part of a bigger plan to improve its ties with countries in the Southeast Asia region, which have been seen so far only as consumers of its primary weapons system, Curie said.

In a statement released following his January meeting with Prabowo, Defense Minister Shoygu considered Indonesia a key partner in the region.

“We consider Indonesia as one of the most important partners of Russia in the Asia-Pacific region. Cooperation with Indonesia is traditionally based on friendship and mutual trust. We note that there are prerequisites for bringing bilateral ties to the level of a strategic partnership,” Shoygu said in a statement released by the Russian Defense Ministry. In the statement, Shoygu expressed hope that a declaration on the strategic partnership could be signed between the two countries this year.

Despite the warming of the ties, questions remain over progress in the US$1.14 billion deal signed in 2018 for Indonesia’s purchase of 11 Sukhoi Su-35 jet fighters from Russia as part of the former’s defense sector modernization.

A number of factors, including budget refocusing to tackle the COVID-19 pandemic as well as uncertainty over the United States’ reaction to such a purchase, are possible stumbling blocks in finalizing the Sukhoi deal.

The Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), passed in the US in 2017, stipulates economic punishments for its partners that conduct business with Russia.

“There is not yet any clarity on whether Indonesia will get a [CAATSA] waiver, whether Defense Minister [Prabowo] has lobbied [the US] or will wait until after the upcoming US election,” Curie said.

The idea of a CAATSA waiver has been floated since 2018, when then-US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said such a provision would allow US partners to have a closer partnership with the superpower and help them transition away from their dependency on Russia in terms of military weapons procurement.

Defense analyst Dewi Fortuna Anwar of the Indonesian Institute of Sciences (LIPI), meanwhile, said Prabowo’s recent visit to Moscow highlighted Indonesia’s aim to diversify its sources of weaponry to reduce its dependency on a single manufacturer.

Dewi said Indonesia paid a heavy price when the US imposed an arms embargo on Indonesia in 1999.

“Following the military embargo from the US after the post-referendum violence in East Timor, the government's new commitment was to diversify its [sources] of primary weaponry system procurement,” said Dewi.

Defense Ministry spokesman Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak, meanwhile, said Prabowo had been invited by his Russian counterpart to discuss defense ties between the two countries.

“In the meeting, Defense Minister [Prabowo] and the Russian defense minister touched on issues of defense partnership, particularly military education, joint training and the development of defense industry cooperation,” Dahnil told The Jakarta Post late last week.

During his visit, Prabowo also joined the Victory Day parade commemorating the Soviet Union’s triumph in the Second World War. He also met with Chinese Defense Minister Wei Fenghe while attending the parade, with pictures of the two men uploaded to the Defense Ministry’s Twitter handle @Kemhan_RI on June 24.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ts-russia-again-little-headway-on-sukhoi.html
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I got this pic from my friend and (likely) stated that TNI will procure AASM Hammer, the problem is we don't have any platform to use hammer. F-16, Sukhoi family and TA-50 isn't compatible with this weaponry. Dassault fighter family was compatible.
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Hammer is fitted with rafale or maybe eurofighter.. is this mean that tni au wil use rafale rather than su35
 
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Pola pikir macam apa beli senjatanya duluan tapi platformnya belum jelas kebeli apa gak?
In my opinion, There is only two posibilities:
1. Somehow they find a way to integrate Hammer with F16 & sniper ATP (which is very unlikely)
2. Rafale won..
 
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Pola pikir macam apa beli senjatanya duluan tapi platformnya belum jelas kebeli apa gak?
In my opinion, There is only two posibilities:
1. Somehow they find a way to integrate Hammer with F16 & sniper ATP (which is very unlikely)
2. Rafale won..
Tebak tebak buah manggis dah..
Ketika ada permasalah seperti inilah gw rindu nazar nya alamor
 
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Rumours that spread
1) Iver Huitfeldt construction from cutting steel to commisioning will take at least 6 years. ( the production will take 60 months according from some sources in PT.PAL 1st ship will take 4 years of production while in parallel 2nd ship will start production a year later, 2 years at least each for sea trial )
2) Either entirely made by PT.PAL or partially constructed by Babcock, before COVID 19 pandemy there was a plan from Babcock to visit and asses PT PAL capability
3) Navy and KKIP actually prefer De Zeven Provincien Class as KKIP also heavily influenced by DSNS however our " Prime Minister " & OMT push on Iver Huitfeldt Class
4) There will amendement on armaments over the course of 6 years construction, let's say we're getting " destroyer " in disguise of frigate so expect the unexpectable on the amandement of contract.
5) " Kornas " programme is delayed not cancelled, i boldline this " delayed not cancelled " so far most likely DSNS will be our partner
 
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Rumours that spread
1) Iver Huitfeldt construction from cutting steel to commisioning will take at least 6 years. ( the production will take 60 months according from some sources in PT.PAL 1st ship will take 4 years of production while in parallel 2nd ship will start production a year later, 2 years at least each for sea trial )
2) Either entirely made by PT.PAL or partially constructed by Babcock, before COVID 19 pandemy there was a plan from Babcock to visit and asses PT PAL capability
3) Navy and KKIP actually prefer De Zeven Provincien Class as KKIP also heavily influenced by DSNS however our " Prime Minister " & OMT push on Iver Huitfeldt Class
4) There will amendement on armaments over the course of 6 years construction, let's say we're getting " destroyer " in disguise of frigate so expect the unexpectable on the amandement of contract.
5) " Kornas " programme is delayed not cancelled, i boldline this " delayed not cancelled " so far most likely DSNS will be our partner
I don't understand this kornas program. Heard it since first decade of 2000 then gone. Now revive again?
So what is the different wirh OPV program? Because I see corvette and opv in the same weight class and prolly same weapon systems (at least on OPV maket model)
 
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