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[GraveDigger388]

I want TOT for carl gustav recoilless rifle.
Our infantry will have more biting power.

The doctrine first. Squad level GPMG and AT need to be the norm.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Dont know but in many source we have licenses carl gustav mk2 (barang kuno)
Idk but if we get tot for NLAW i am very happy to hear that. Simple ATGM or infantry for commando

Dunno but i like so much the concept of NLAW.

NLAW is premium stuff.
I want thousands of Carl G. spread to our infantry, we have large infantry what we need now is for them to have significant fire power.
But its not priority, giving them protective gears come first. Infantrinya kostrad yang paling cakep tampilannya.
Sekali tarik pelatuk NLAW atau sekelas javelin mahal, lebih murah carl gustav, beberapa kali dibuat nembak masih lebih murah.

The doctrine first. Squad level GPMG and AT need to be the norm.

Rompi dll dulu T . T

 

[Nike]

The doctrine first. Squad level GPMG and AT need to be the norm.

Abolish territorial units first and replaced them with proffesional combatant units

 

[Chestnut]

NLAW is premium stuff.
I want thousands of Carl G. spread to our infantry, we have large infantry what we need now is for them to have significant fire power.
But its not priority, giving them protective gears come first. Infantrinya kostrad yang paling cakep tampilannya.
Sekali tarik pelatuk NLAW atau sekelas javelin mahal, lebih murah carl gustav, beberapa kali dibuat nembak masih lebih murah.


Rompi dll dulu T . T

I agree with Jek.

If we are going to have a significant budget increase, it's better to spend it on squad, platoon, and company level force multipliers like newer AT weapons, infantry drones, optical equipment, better protective gear, NVG/NOD's, or personal role radios.

All the armored vehicles in the world would do squat when most of our problems come from insurgents hiding in dense jungles and remote villages unreachable by land vehicles. At that point you end up having a bunch of infantrymen that's no better equipped than the asymmetrical enemy they are fighting.

 

[Ruhnama]

NLAW is premium stuff.
I want thousands of Carl G. spread to our infantry, we have large infantry what we need now is for them to have significant fire power.
But its not priority, giving them protective gears come first. Infantrinya kostrad yang paling cakep tampilannya.
Sekali tarik pelatuk NLAW atau sekelas javelin mahal, lebih murah carl gustav, beberapa kali dibuat nembak masih lebih murah.


Rompi dll dulu T . T

If we see in Papua recently many soldier in pamtas or orther section use vest (dunno it only carrier or it has kevlar plate)

Btw are soldier in infantry equiped with gas mask? Or gas mask only for zipur?

Nlaw cheaper than javelin. So the carl gustav for every batallion is good.

(Udah beli pasar gelap aja carl gustav ama rpg banyak tuh di afrika.....

 

[GraveDigger388]

Abolish territorial units first and replaced them with proffesional combatant units

That too, yeah. Too much dilly-dallying by excess personnels.

 

[Chestnut]

If we see in Papua recently many soldier in pamtas or orther section use vest (dunno it only carrier or it has kevlar plate)

Btw are soldier in infantry equiped with gas mask? Or gas mask only for zipur?

Nlaw cheaper than javelin. So the carl gustav for every batallion is good.

(Udah beli pasar gelap aja carl gustav ama rpg banyak tuh di afrika.....

You have to realize that the Javelin is a battalion level asset compared to the NLAW and AT4 which is a company/platoon level asset. They're both made for 2 different unit sizes.

That too, yeah. Too much dilly-dallying by excess personnels.

I'd say reform them into something akin to the US Army National Guard/Army Reserves. Have a bunch of citizen soldiers that serve their soldiering duties 1 weekend a month for extra money and only activate them in times of need. Use the money you save to bolster up the professional KOSTRAD units or hell have soldier university scholarships like the US GI Bill.

 

[GraveDigger388]

I'd say reform them into something akin to the US Army National Guard/Army Reserves. Have a bunch of citizen soldiers that serve their soldiering duties 1 weekend a month for extra money and only activate them in times of need. Use the money you save to bolster up the professional KOSTRAD units or hell have soldier university scholarships like the US GI Bill.

Boy, would I love an extra opportunity to earn cash. The one that's provided by the state, no less.... Aaand a chance to be a weekend conscript to top it off...

 

[Nike]

One of the best ASW platform ever, sure they are not new and second hand units, but its largely cheap and cost efficient had a lot of life hours even when you use it as it is , lockheed martin several times trying to offer us this plane....

 

[NEKONEKO]

(Udah beli pasar gelap aja carl gustav ama rpg banyak tuh di afrika.....

Why should we buy it from African black market? Still better to get TOT(launcher unit and/or ammunition) for newest version of carl g and make it here in large number, just take a look at Singapore how they got ARMBURST from Germany, and now they have MATADOR developed together with Israel.

One of the best ASW platform ever, sure they are not new and second hand units, but its largely cheap and cost efficient had a lot of life hours even when you use it as it is , lockheed martin several times trying to offer us this plane....
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Idk man about this plane, I prefer the more expensive P-8. Spare parts would be problematic, and how about the future? I believe there are very low probability of new plane to replace this one, what will we do to the will be short lived squadron?(the money used for crew training, equipment and infrastructure would be wasted). If we are gonna buy P-8 to replace it in the future why don't we just buy P-8 from now, the numbers could increase as the years pass.
Imho

 

[Nike]

Why should we buy it from African black market? Still better to get TOT(launcher unit and/or ammunition) for newest version of carl g and make it here in large number, just take a look at Singapore how they got ARMBURST from Germany, and now they have MATADOR developed together with Israel.


Idk man about this plane, I prefer the more expensive P-8. Spare parts would be problematic, and how about the future? I believe there are very low probability of new plane to replace this one, what will we do to the will be short lived squadron? If we are gonna buy P-8 to replace it in the future why don't we just buy P-8 from now, the numbers could increase as the years pass.
Imho

P8 should be acquire imho, this aircraft capable to supplement the P8 by provide necessary ELINT, Air Search tracking, provide air refueling capability, capability to fly from rugged , short and minimum requirement air base, bombing mission beside their usual roles as ASW units and among other. Untuk support spares ada jaminan dari Lockheed untuk itu

 

[Chestnut]

P8 should be acquire imho, this aircraft capable to supplement the P8 by provide necessary ELINT, Air Search tracking, provide air refueling capability, capability to fly from rugged , short and minimum requirement air base, bombing mission beside their usual roles as ASW units and among other. Untuk support spares ada jaminan dari Lockheed untuk itu

With refurbishment, spare parts, MLU's, and other associated equipment for the S-3's it would be cheaper to just buy the MQ-4C Triton.

 

[Kansel]

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Pimpin Ratas, Jokowi Minta Stop Ketergantungan Impor Alutsista

Kompas Cyber Media
3-4 minutes

Presiden Joko Widodo memimpin rapat terbatas di Kantor Presiden, Jakarta, Senin (11/11/2019). Rapat terbatas itu membahas program cipta lapangan kerja, penguatan neraca perdagangan dan pemberdayaan usaha mikro kecil dan menengah. ANTARA FOTO/Akbar Nugroho Gumay/aww.

JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Presiden Joko Widodo meminta tak ada lagi impor besar-besaran alat utama sistem pertahanan ( Alutsista) negara.

Hal itu disampaikan Jokowi saat memimpin rapat terbatas soal pengadaan Alutsista di Kompleks Istana Kepresidenan, Jakarta, Jumat (23/11/2019).

"Kita harus memastikan adanya alih teknologi dari setiap pengadaan Alutsista maupun program kerja sama dengan negara-negara lain. Kita harus memastikan bahwa SDM industri pertahanan kita betul-betul diperkuat dan jangan lagi orientasinya adalah penyerapan anggaran," ujar Jokowi.

Baca juga: PT Len Industri Nyatakan Siap Dukung Alutsista TNI

"Orientasinya adalah betul-betul strategic partnership untuk meningkatkan kemandirian dan daya saing bangsa sehingga kita memiliki kemampuan untuk memproduksi Alusista yang dikerjasamakan," lanjut dia.

Ia mengatakan, Indonesia merupakan negara kepulauan terbesar di dunia sehingga harus mampu menjadi menjadi poros kekuatan utama, khususnya di kawasan Asia Tenggara dan Asia.

Hal itu bisa dicapai jika Indonesia mampu memproduksi Alutsista modern secara mandiri.

Karenanya Jokowi meminta kementerian terkait menyiapkan perencanaan dari hulu ke hilir untuk memajukan industri pertahanan dalam negeri.

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...owi-minta-stop-ketergantungan-impor-alutsista
Jokowi juga meminta BUMN dan swasta berkolaborasi memajukan inudstri pertahanan dalam negeri.

Baca juga: Indonesia-Korsel Jajaki Kerja Sama Alutsista, Salah Satunya Pesawat Tempur

Ia pun meminta tak ada lagi pengadaan Alutsista sekadar untuk penyerapan anggaran dan memuluskan suatu proyek.

"Membelanjakan anggaran sebanyak-banyaknya apa lagi orientasinya sekadar proyek, sudah stop yang seperti itu," kata Jokowi.

"Road map harus jelas dalam pengembangan industri alat pertahanan di dalam negeri. Mulai dari hulu sampai hilir dengan melibatkan baik BUMN maupun swasta sehingga kita bisa mengurangi ketergantungan terhadap impor alutsista dari luar negeri," lanjut Presiden.

 

[LtMaverick]

Pimpin Ratas, Jokowi Minta Stop Ketergantungan Impor Alutsista

Kompas Cyber Media
3-4 minutes

Presiden Joko Widodo memimpin rapat terbatas di Kantor Presiden, Jakarta, Senin (11/11/2019). Rapat terbatas itu membahas program cipta lapangan kerja, penguatan neraca perdagangan dan pemberdayaan usaha mikro kecil dan menengah. ANTARA FOTO/Akbar Nugroho Gumay/aww.

JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Presiden Joko Widodo meminta tak ada lagi impor besar-besaran alat utama sistem pertahanan ( Alutsista) negara.

Hal itu disampaikan Jokowi saat memimpin rapat terbatas soal pengadaan Alutsista di Kompleks Istana Kepresidenan, Jakarta, Jumat (23/11/2019).

"Kita harus memastikan adanya alih teknologi dari setiap pengadaan Alutsista maupun program kerja sama dengan negara-negara lain. Kita harus memastikan bahwa SDM industri pertahanan kita betul-betul diperkuat dan jangan lagi orientasinya adalah penyerapan anggaran," ujar Jokowi.

Baca juga: PT Len Industri Nyatakan Siap Dukung Alutsista TNI

"Orientasinya adalah betul-betul strategic partnership untuk meningkatkan kemandirian dan daya saing bangsa sehingga kita memiliki kemampuan untuk memproduksi Alusista yang dikerjasamakan," lanjut dia.

Ia mengatakan, Indonesia merupakan negara kepulauan terbesar di dunia sehingga harus mampu menjadi menjadi poros kekuatan utama, khususnya di kawasan Asia Tenggara dan Asia.

Hal itu bisa dicapai jika Indonesia mampu memproduksi Alutsista modern secara mandiri.

Karenanya Jokowi meminta kementerian terkait menyiapkan perencanaan dari hulu ke hilir untuk memajukan industri pertahanan dalam negeri.

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...owi-minta-stop-ketergantungan-impor-alutsista
Jokowi juga meminta BUMN dan swasta berkolaborasi memajukan inudstri pertahanan dalam negeri.

Baca juga: Indonesia-Korsel Jajaki Kerja Sama Alutsista, Salah Satunya Pesawat Tempur

Ia pun meminta tak ada lagi pengadaan Alutsista sekadar untuk penyerapan anggaran dan memuluskan suatu proyek.

"Membelanjakan anggaran sebanyak-banyaknya apa lagi orientasinya sekadar proyek, sudah stop yang seperti itu," kata Jokowi.

"Road map harus jelas dalam pengembangan industri alat pertahanan di dalam negeri. Mulai dari hulu sampai hilir dengan melibatkan baik BUMN maupun swasta sehingga kita bisa mengurangi ketergantungan terhadap impor alutsista dari luar negeri," lanjut Presiden.

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