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[Cromwell]

PT.DI infographics
Credit to Komite Kebijakan Industri Pertahanan

 

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[Nike]

Looking at Boeing 737 800 series just made me remember P8 poseidon

 

[Raduga]

new zealand army commander in chief visiting PT.Pindad

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[Cromwell]

PT Indopulley Perkasa
Credit to Komite Kebijakan Industri Pertahanan

 

[striver44]

 

[striver44]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1u9ry0-PJv2TLtKWvIRTSE&cshid=1565435045325

Evaluation studies by BPPT on first batch KCR 60M performance in various sea state. Interestin enough that they propose KCR 60 to be lengthened to 70 meter to better cope with rough sea state. Also written is specific time and place where (first batch)KCR 60 cant operate because of stabiluty issue

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Gue mau berkhayal lagi ahhhh :

In the future our neighbours (four defense power) will have :

43 opvs
8 corvettes
27 frigates
9 destroyers
4 multi purpose ships like frigates but with vehicles transporter ability.

How our navy could make balance power of these.

Our neighbours frigates will be 27 ships.
If their 27 frigates have 4000 tons displacement, how many corvettes will be needed for balancing the power?

If we use gowind 2500 tons corvettes for example, so :

4000 / 2500 = 1,6

1,6 corvettes equal to 1 frigate.

27 frigates x 1,6 = 43,2 to be rounded into 43 corvettes.

They also will have 8 corvettes.

43 + 8 = 51

So we need at least 51 corvettes to balance with 27 frigates plus 8 corvettes

Thus I wish in the future, for the purpose of balancing the power, our navy will have :
43 OPV upgradeable to corvettes
51 corvettes or light frigates
9 real frigates like iver class upgradeable to destroyers
4 multipurpose frigate ships like absalon class

Other ships :
42 patrol ships 40 meter.
40 fast attack crafts all varians.
12 submarines
12 minesweeper
6 hydro oceanograph or research ships
3 barquantines
12 replenisment oil tankers
4 tugboats
8 lpd
4 hospital ships
4 lhd
12 lst
8 logistic ships

43+51+9+4+42+40+12+12+6+3+12+4+8+4+4+12+8= 274 ships.

 

[striver44]

Gue mau berkhayal lagi ahhhh :

In the future our neighbours (four defense power) will have :

43 opvs
8 corvettes
27 frigates
9 destroyers
4 multi purpose ships like frigates but with vehicles transporter ability.

How our navy could make balance power of these.

Our neighbours frigates will be 27 ships.
If their 27 frigates have 4000 tons displacement, how many corvettes will be needed for balancing the power?

If we use gowind 2500 tons corvettes for example, so :

4000 / 2500 = 1,6

1,6 corvettes equal to 1 frigate.

27 frigates x 1,6 = 43,2 to be rounded into 43 corvettes.

They also will have 8 corvettes.

43 + 8 = 51

So we need at least 51 corvettes to balance with 27 frigates plus 8 corvettes

Thus I wish in the future, for the purpose of balancing the power, our navy will have :
43 OPV upgradeable to corvettes
51 corvettes or light frigates
9 real frigates like iver class upgradeable to destroyers
4 multipurpose frigate ships like absalon class

Other ships :
42 patrol ships 40 meter.
40 fast attack crafts all varians.
12 submarines
12 minesweeper
6 hydro oceanograph or research ships
3 barquantines
12 replenisment oil tankers
4 tugboats
8 lpd
4 hospital ships
4 lhd
12 lst
8 logistic ships

43+51+9+4+42+40+12+12+6+3+12+4+8+4+4+12+8= 274 ships.

Not achievable with current rate of production+no budget

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1u9ry0-PJv2TLtKWvIRTSE&cshid=1565435045325

Evaluation studies by BPPT on first batch KCR 60M performance in various sea state. Interestin enough that they propose KCR 60 to be lengthened to 70 meter to better cope with rough sea state. Also written is specific time and place where (first batch)KCR 60 cant operate because of stabiluty issue

Ehem, Knud Rasmussen ships class also have LOA more than 70 meters.

Not achievable with current rate of production+no budget

Ealah mase, mase...

Gue khan kagak bilang "for now.."
Gue khan bilang "in the future" dan "I wish"

Current rate production of all dockyards (including private shipyards) times twenty years can catch double quantity of this target.

 

[Nike]

Gue mau berkhayal lagi ahhhh :

In the future our neighbours (four defense power) will have :

43 opvs
8 corvettes
27 frigates
9 destroyers
4 multi purpose ships like frigates but with vehicles transporter ability.

How our navy could make balance power of these.

Our neighbours frigates will be 27 ships.
If their 27 frigates have 4000 tons displacement, how many corvettes will be needed for balancing the power?

If we use gowind 2500 tons corvettes for example, so :

4000 / 2500 = 1,6

1,6 corvettes equal to 1 frigate.

27 frigates x 1,6 = 43,2 to be rounded into 43 corvettes.

They also will have 8 corvettes.

43 + 8 = 51

So we need at least 51 corvettes to balance with 27 frigates plus 8 corvettes

Thus I wish in the future, for the purpose of balancing the power, our navy will have :
43 OPV upgradeable to corvettes
51 corvettes or light frigates
9 real frigates like iver class upgradeable to destroyers
4 multipurpose frigate ships like absalon class

Other ships :
42 patrol ships 40 meter.
40 fast attack crafts all varians.
12 submarines
12 minesweeper
6 hydro oceanograph or research ships
3 barquantines
12 replenisment oil tankers
4 tugboats
8 lpd
4 hospital ships
4 lhd
12 lst
8 logistic ships

43+51+9+4+42+40+12+12+6+3+12+4+8+4+4+12+8= 274 ships.

Just for having 8 frigates in class of the likes De Zeven Provincien and pairing them with 8 Destroyer likes Arleigh Burke class as main strike forces and maintain the current legacy fleets as patrol forces will made your surface forces near untouchable in this very region, even PLA NAVY southern fleets command will think twice before doing Anything funny.

 

[striver44]

Kadang agak gimana gitu. Mau ngomongin AAW destroyer. Lanjutan program PKR aja belum jelas, yg ada belum lengkap senjatanya.

 

[Raduga]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1u9ry0-PJv2TLtKWvIRTSE&cshid=1565435045325

Evaluation studies by BPPT on first batch KCR 60M performance in various sea state. Interestin enough that they propose KCR 60 to be lengthened to 70 meter to better cope with rough sea state. Also written is specific time and place where (first batch)KCR 60 cant operate because of stabiluty issue

they do comparison with armidale ? interesting , 70 metre should be enough to be called as corvette and not missile boat , should they look into karakurt class ? that thing seriously can bite really hard , since i heard a rumour we would use russian cannon for our KCR , and it also can be alternative to change our current fleet of parchim

67metre in length , notice the 8x UKSK VLS behind the mast , that thing can handle any sort of russian cruise missile yakhont , kalibr , switchblade etc

 

[striver44]

they do comparison with armidale ? interesting , 70 metre should be enough to be called as corvette and not missile boat , should they look into karakurt class ? that thing seriously can bite really hard , since i heard a rumour we would use russian cannon for our KCR

67metre in length , notice the 8x UKSK VLS behind the mast , that thing can handle any sort of russian cruise missile yakhont , kalibr , switchblade etc

Yes lengthening the boat is their prefered modification but as we know it the problem is solved using stabizer fins.
Actually 60m boat is enough for 4-6x AShM i wonder why they stick with two c802.
As for parchim,well KCR are not a suitable replacement, its the pkr program that are initially to replace multiple type of ship AFAIK from Yani class, parchim class etc. Into a single multi mission frigate. Around 20-32 planned (if im not mistaken) but as of 2019 we only have 2

 

[Nike]

Kadang agak gimana gitu. Mau ngomongin AAW destroyer. Lanjutan program PKR aja belum jelas, yg ada belum lengkap senjatanya.

Thats 25 billion US dollar worth question