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Please allow me to share abit of Naval warfare story I have from my dad and his friends about this Arafuru Naval War we had back then, specially Motor Torps Boats/MTB. This is not an official story, its just an old story telling from old retired Navy man back then who was in this mission. Most of them had passed away.
This mission was supported with Civilian "Pelaut" as well in those Rev Points (Rendevous Points/Refuelling points). Some of them has been awarded with civillian medal as well. But the story that intrigue me most is about the MTB. They departed/started without Torpedo equipped. Like the story on youtube above, most of them didnt even know what the mission was until late stage of the mission. When the war broke lose its when the drama started, well at least for me.
They never knew or at least not sharing the information to me on why exactly they were not equipped with torpedo. Some said maybe the weight of the torpedos is not acceptable for this boat to travel so far. I assume we didnt have the torpedo, but they were sure we have it on stock. Regardless the real reason behind it, I assume they just didnt want to share whats behind the curtain even to me. The real reason was prolly kept inside their own Navy man circle.
I didn't know why my dad dislike our late Mr.S, but Mr.S was incharge of the mission. And he relased the fleet without torpedo on it, prolly this is the reason why hehe. What made my tears flow was the story of when one of my dads friend who were prolly junior officer was back from the mission. Reaching harbour he met with Mr.S and just hugged Mr.S (who has higher rank then him) and whispered "I wished we had our torpedo...". Meaning that if equipped with torpedo none of those left over MTB would ever leave the war scene as ordered, they would just fire it or perhaps just "tabrak" (kamikaze style) it.
This story touched my heart. Our country was once famous for it naval capabilities on ancient day, and I said it proudly that in the heart and spirit we still are. We might not have the state of the art Naval equipment today, but I still believe our Navy man still have the heart of a shark. As old as they are, they were never hate the mission, the decission maker, never told the "bad things" behind it. They were all just say "We wish we had our torpedo...".
This is prolly why in my unconcious mind I really don't like FFBNW
From the book 50 tahun abri (i forgot this book or not) , they stated those MTB put off those torps to increasing the capacity of their cargo (like foods, fuel, and other personal weapons ammunition) as the range between FOB and designated target area of operation is beyond the range of our MTB usual range of area operation (just remember we bought off the shelf MTB from Germany who usually only cover small baltic seas, unlike TRIKORA theater of operation whose area coverage is more than millions kilometer square)
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btw, during Trikora and Dwikora we dont buy a single MBT at all. On other hands we bought ton of amphibious tank and APC. Considering we dont have logistic units and mechanized units capable to maintain such unit thats understandable
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I heard that Harimau MT is going to have amphibious variant in the future, kinda suit their role as AMX-13's replacement. MBT will only see a fight in a peer-to-peer situation in a particular scenario, namely flat open terrain, other than that we'll going to see MT, IFV and APC getting a lot more work for COIN operations, where the scenario favors lighter and more flexible platform (and amphibious capable for places like Papuan rural and swamps)
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07.31.2019
Story by Petty Officer 2nd Class Tristin Barth
Commander, Logistics Group Western Pacific
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SURABAYA, Indonesia (NNS) – The U.S. Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard, and the Indonesian Navy and Marine Corps began Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT) Indonesia 2019 during an opening ceremony at the Indonesian Navy’s 2nd Fleet Training Command in Surabaya Aug. 1.
The Indonesian Navy, known as Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkat Laut (TNI-AL), has been a part of the annual CARAT series since the exercise began in 1995.
“We’re proud to continue sailing alongside our important partner and friends” said Rear Adm. Joey Tynch, commander, Task Force 73. “This year marks 70 years of U.S.-Indonesian diplomatic relations and the Silver Anniversary of CARAT-- 25 years of dedicated commitment -- between our navies to address our shared maritime concerns.”
This year’s exercise will feature hundreds of Sailors, Marines and Coast Guardsmen from both nations. Evolutions will include both on shore and at-sea training, such as visit board search and seizure drills, mobile dive and salvage training, gunnery exercises, explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) drills, jungle warfare training and subject matter expert knowledge exchanges in maritime domain awareness, medicine, aviation, law, and explosive ordnance disposal.
Additionally, several community outreach events are scheduled throughout the exercise, including a number of engineering civil action projects, a sports day and joint public performances by the U.S. Navy 7th Fleet Band and the TNI-AL Eastern Fleet Band.
“Twenty five years of training together through the CARAT exercise series marks a great milestone,” said Capt. Ann McCann, deputy commander of Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 7. “This year’s exercise represents the adaptation and evolution of what we have learned working with each other this past quarter-century.”
U.S. assets participating in CARAT Indonesia 2019 include staff from CTF 73 and DESRON 7, the Independence-variant littoral combat ship USS Montgomery (LCS 8), the Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport USNS Fall River (T-EPF 4), the Legend-class Coast Guard cutter USCGC Stratton (WMSL 752), MV Carolyn Chouest, Navy Environmental and Preventive Medicine Unit 6, Naval Construction Regiment 30, Naval Special Warfare Unit 1, Mobile Dive and Salvage Unit 1, the U.S. 7th Fleet Band and a P-8 Poseidon aircraft.
Participating assets from TNI-AL include Corvette Class Frigate KRI Sultan Iskandar Muda, Fatahillah Class Frigate KRI Nala and Fast Attack Craft KRI Sampari, as well as additional aircraft, staff and special operations forces.
CARAT, the U.S. Navy's longest running regional exercise in South and Southeast Asia, strengthens partnerships between regional navies and enhances maritime security cooperation throughout the Indo-Pacific.
CARAT builds upon other engagements in South Asia, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands including Pacific Partnership, the largest annual multilateral humanitarian assistance and disaster relief preparedness mission, Maritime Training Activity Malaysia, Maritime Training Activity Philippines, Pacific Griffin with Singapore and Southeast Asia Cooperation and Training (SEACAT), which involves nearly a dozen partner nations. These engagements bring like-minded naval forces together routinely based on shared values and maritime security interests.
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/33385...ooperation-afloat-readiness-and-training-2019
" Time to Take the US-Indonesia Strategic Partnership Seriously "
Dr. Patrick M. Cronin holds the Hudson Institute Chair for Asia-Pacific Security and Isabelle M. Burke is a research intern at the Washington-based think tank.
A rising Indonesia will naturally begin to play a larger regional and global role, and the United States must act with greater urgency to recognize Indonesia’s burgeoning influence. On its current trajectory, Indonesia will become a global top-10 economy by the end of the next decade and a top-five economy by mid-century. The United States should capitalize on shared values and take immediate action to expand economic opportunities, which will lay the foundation for mutual prosperity in the decades to come.
For instance, Indonesia could host a future meeting among other major democracies — including the United States, Japan, India, and Australia — with an agenda designed to promote practical cooperation over strengthening democratic institutions, as well as halting illegal fishing and improving maritime security, combating terrorism, and improving cybersecurity.
This proposal is not an attempt to create an expanded alliance for the sake of containing an opposing actor, but rather illustrates how democracies can stand together to promote both a favorable balance of power and the rule of law.
While the United States and Indonesia have approached the idea of a free and open Indo-Pacific from different vantage points, both are deeply committed to common values. As Assistant Secretary of Defense Randall Schriver said in July at the Hudson Institute (for an event co-sponsored by Hudson, the U.S.-Indonesia Society, and the Embassy of the Republic of Indonesia), shared values include “equality and reciprocity, respect for international rules and norms, [and] respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty.” Far from asking Indonesia to make a choice between the United States and China, he added, Washington wants Jakarta to stand up for its interests and values whenever they are challenged.
For Indonesia, if not necessarily the United States, the desire to retain stable supply chains and economic development militate against provoking Beijing. Furthermore, Washington’s threat of tariffs and tolerance for trade friction with China is anathema to Jakarta. Indonesia is a proud independent actor, and it will continue to seek beneficial trade with China — just as the United States wants fair and reciprocal trade with China. At a time when Beijing’s assertiveness and influence is on the rise, it is necessary to overcome this false dilemma about choosing between one of two major powers.
In addition, both Indonesia and the United States will benefit by ensuring that Beijing’s activities in the South China Sea are bound by a fair Code of Conduct. Multilateral negotiations between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China show scant possibility that Beijing will restrict its influence.
That is why Indonesia is critical; not only can it help prevent ASEAN from striking a deal to restrict the sovereign choices of Southeast Asian states (for instance, over resources and military exercises), but it can also reprise its earlier role as a lead promoter for South China Sea confidence-building measures.
As the sponsor of past inclusive talks to develop a South China Sea code of conduct, Indonesia is the key to preserving strong and independent Southeast Asian states and maritime order in one of the world’s crucial waterways.
This rules-based order can be reinforced by increasing the quality of interactions between U.S. and Indonesian defense forces, coast guard, and law-enforcement counterparts. The two nations already participate in more than 240 military engagements together each year, and they plan to continue improving the scope and depth of engagement by instituting new venues, such as the U.S. maritime exercise with ASEAN this September.
The next decade will be a crucial time for Southeast Asia to decide of its own accord how it will contribute to or depart from the concept of a free and open Indo-Pacific. One of the best means of securing a safe and prosperous future for the region is for the United States and Indonesia to find ways to turn phrases like “strategic partnership” into a tangible reality.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/time-to-take-the-us-indonesia-strategic-partnership-seriously/
07.31.2019
Story by Petty Officer 2nd Class Tristin Barth
Commander, Logistics Group Western Pacific
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SURABAYA, Indonesia (NNS) – The U.S. Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard, and the Indonesian Navy and Marine Corps began Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT) Indonesia 2019 during an opening ceremony at the Indonesian Navy’s 2nd Fleet Training Command in Surabaya Aug. 1.
The Indonesian Navy, known as Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkat Laut (TNI-AL), has been a part of the annual CARAT series since the exercise began in 1995.
“We’re proud to continue sailing alongside our important partner and friends” said Rear Adm. Joey Tynch, commander, Task Force 73. “This year marks 70 years of U.S.-Indonesian diplomatic relations and the Silver Anniversary of CARAT-- 25 years of dedicated commitment -- between our navies to address our shared maritime concerns.”
This year’s exercise will feature hundreds of Sailors, Marines and Coast Guardsmen from both nations. Evolutions will include both on shore and at-sea training, such as visit board search and seizure drills, mobile dive and salvage training, gunnery exercises, explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) drills, jungle warfare training and subject matter expert knowledge exchanges in maritime domain awareness, medicine, aviation, law, and explosive ordnance disposal.
Additionally, several community outreach events are scheduled throughout the exercise, including a number of engineering civil action projects, a sports day and joint public performances by the U.S. Navy 7th Fleet Band and the TNI-AL Eastern Fleet Band.
“Twenty five years of training together through the CARAT exercise series marks a great milestone,” said Capt. Ann McCann, deputy commander of Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 7. “This year’s exercise represents the adaptation and evolution of what we have learned working with each other this past quarter-century.”
U.S. assets participating in CARAT Indonesia 2019 include staff from CTF 73 and DESRON 7, the Independence-variant littoral combat ship USS Montgomery (LCS 8), the Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport USNS Fall River (T-EPF 4), the Legend-class Coast Guard cutter USCGC Stratton (WMSL 752), MV Carolyn Chouest, Navy Environmental and Preventive Medicine Unit 6, Naval Construction Regiment 30, Naval Special Warfare Unit 1, Mobile Dive and Salvage Unit 1, the U.S. 7th Fleet Band and a P-8 Poseidon aircraft.
Participating assets from TNI-AL include Corvette Class Frigate KRI Sultan Iskandar Muda, Fatahillah Class Frigate KRI Nala and Fast Attack Craft KRI Sampari, as well as additional aircraft, staff and special operations forces.
CARAT, the U.S. Navy's longest running regional exercise in South and Southeast Asia, strengthens partnerships between regional navies and enhances maritime security cooperation throughout the Indo-Pacific.
CARAT builds upon other engagements in South Asia, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands including Pacific Partnership, the largest annual multilateral humanitarian assistance and disaster relief preparedness mission, Maritime Training Activity Malaysia, Maritime Training Activity Philippines, Pacific Griffin with Singapore and Southeast Asia Cooperation and Training (SEACAT), which involves nearly a dozen partner nations. These engagements bring like-minded naval forces together routinely based on shared values and maritime security interests.
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/33385...ooperation-afloat-readiness-and-training-2019
" Time to Take the US-Indonesia Strategic Partnership Seriously "
Dr. Patrick M. Cronin holds the Hudson Institute Chair for Asia-Pacific Security and Isabelle M. Burke is a research intern at the Washington-based think tank.
A rising Indonesia will naturally begin to play a larger regional and global role, and the United States must act with greater urgency to recognize Indonesia’s burgeoning influence. On its current trajectory, Indonesia will become a global top-10 economy by the end of the next decade and a top-five economy by mid-century. The United States should capitalize on shared values and take immediate action to expand economic opportunities, which will lay the foundation for mutual prosperity in the decades to come.
For instance, Indonesia could host a future meeting among other major democracies — including the United States, Japan, India, and Australia — with an agenda designed to promote practical cooperation over strengthening democratic institutions, as well as halting illegal fishing and improving maritime security, combating terrorism, and improving cybersecurity.
This proposal is not an attempt to create an expanded alliance for the sake of containing an opposing actor, but rather illustrates how democracies can stand together to promote both a favorable balance of power and the rule of law.
While the United States and Indonesia have approached the idea of a free and open Indo-Pacific from different vantage points, both are deeply committed to common values. As Assistant Secretary of Defense Randall Schriver said in July at the Hudson Institute (for an event co-sponsored by Hudson, the U.S.-Indonesia Society, and the Embassy of the Republic of Indonesia), shared values include “equality and reciprocity, respect for international rules and norms, [and] respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty.” Far from asking Indonesia to make a choice between the United States and China, he added, Washington wants Jakarta to stand up for its interests and values whenever they are challenged.
For Indonesia, if not necessarily the United States, the desire to retain stable supply chains and economic development militate against provoking Beijing. Furthermore, Washington’s threat of tariffs and tolerance for trade friction with China is anathema to Jakarta. Indonesia is a proud independent actor, and it will continue to seek beneficial trade with China — just as the United States wants fair and reciprocal trade with China. At a time when Beijing’s assertiveness and influence is on the rise, it is necessary to overcome this false dilemma about choosing between one of two major powers.
In addition, both Indonesia and the United States will benefit by ensuring that Beijing’s activities in the South China Sea are bound by a fair Code of Conduct. Multilateral negotiations between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China show scant possibility that Beijing will restrict its influence.
That is why Indonesia is critical; not only can it help prevent ASEAN from striking a deal to restrict the sovereign choices of Southeast Asian states (for instance, over resources and military exercises), but it can also reprise its earlier role as a lead promoter for South China Sea confidence-building measures.
As the sponsor of past inclusive talks to develop a South China Sea code of conduct, Indonesia is the key to preserving strong and independent Southeast Asian states and maritime order in one of the world’s crucial waterways.
This rules-based order can be reinforced by increasing the quality of interactions between U.S. and Indonesian defense forces, coast guard, and law-enforcement counterparts. The two nations already participate in more than 240 military engagements together each year, and they plan to continue improving the scope and depth of engagement by instituting new venues, such as the U.S. maritime exercise with ASEAN this September.
The next decade will be a crucial time for Southeast Asia to decide of its own accord how it will contribute to or depart from the concept of a free and open Indo-Pacific. One of the best means of securing a safe and prosperous future for the region is for the United States and Indonesia to find ways to turn phrases like “strategic partnership” into a tangible reality.
https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/time-to-take-the-us-indonesia-strategic-partnership-seriously/
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Guys !
Tomorrow, 2nd of August 2019
First steel cutting of our fifth KCR 60!
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F-16 A/B yang Diperbarui Personel TNI AU Segera Diuji Terbang
01 Agustus 2019
Pembaruan pesawat F-16A/B TNI AU (all photos : IDN Times)
Magetan, IDN Times – Satu dari empat pesawat F-16 A/B Block 15 yang sedang menjalani pembaruan alias upgrade di hanggar Skadron Teknik (Skatek) 042 Pangkalan Udara (Lanud) Iswahjudi segera diuji terbang. Kepala Staf Angkatan Udara (KASAU) Marsekal TNI Yuyu Sutisna mengatakan bahwa flight test direncanakan pada September atau Oktober mendatang.
“Satu sampai dua bulan lagi flight test. Kemudian (yang pesawat yang lain) berurutan,” kata Yuyu usai memimpin upacara peresmian Depo Pemeliharaan (Depohar) 80, Satuan Pemeliharaan (Sathar) 24, 43, 54, 55, 81,82, dan 83 di pelataran pesawat utama Lanud Iswahjudi, Kabupaten Magetan, Rabu (31/7).
Libatkan pihak Lockheed Martin sebagai supervisi
Uji terbang itu untuk mengetahui hasil upgrade pesawat F-16 A/B yang dimulai sejak September 2017. Upaya memperpanjang usia pakai 15 hingga 25 tahun dan peningkatan sistem avionik level berat pada salah satu jet tempur ini dinyatakan hampir rampung.
Meski demikian, para teknisi dari TNI Angkatan Udara, PT Dirgantara Indonesia tetap menjalankan tugasnya hingga sembilan pesawat lain sejenis juga berhasil diperbarui. Kegiatan bernama Enhanced Mid-Life Update (EMLU) – The Falcon Structural Augmentation Rodmap (Falcon STAR) ini bakal berlangsung hingga beberapa waktu ke depan.
Adapun EMLU-Falcon STAR ini merupakan kerjasama antara Pemerintah Indonesia dengan Lockheed Martin (produsen pesawat F-16 asal Amerika. Perwakilan perusahaan dari Negeri Pam Sam terlibat dalam supervisi pelaksaan pekerjaan. “Pekerjaannya tetap di Skatek karena itu proyek dengan Locked Martin sampai selesai,” ujar Yuyu.
Rudal canggih dipasang pada jet tempur ini
Pembaruan yang dijalankan dalam proyek itu di antaranya, pemasangan Rudal Beyond Visual Range (BVR) yang memiliki jangkauan lebih dari 30 kilometer. Selain itu, AMRAAM untuk melepaskan rudal udara ke udara dengan jarak jangka 60 nautical mile atau sekitar 110 kilometer.
Juga, Fire Control Radar dan JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munitio) yang merupakan bom dengan dilengkapi pemandu laser. “Yang diperbaiki airframe dan avionik,” kata Yuyu kepada sejumlah wartawan.
Jadi kebanggaan personel TNI
Untuk pengadaan sparepart, dalam proyek EMLU-Falcon STAR ini ada dua tipe kontrak. Pertama menggunakan mekanisme dengan mitra alias Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) dan Foreign Military Sales (FMS) atau Government to Government.
Proyek EMLU-Falcon STAR menjadi kebanggan personel TNI terutama para teknisi. Sebab, mampu meningkatkan kemampuan para teknisi TNI Angkatan Udara. Apalagi, pekerjaan yang termasuk level berat itu baru pertama dilakukan di satuan setingkat skadron teknik.
(IDN Times)
01 Agustus 2019
Pembaruan pesawat F-16A/B TNI AU (all photos : IDN Times)
Magetan, IDN Times – Satu dari empat pesawat F-16 A/B Block 15 yang sedang menjalani pembaruan alias upgrade di hanggar Skadron Teknik (Skatek) 042 Pangkalan Udara (Lanud) Iswahjudi segera diuji terbang. Kepala Staf Angkatan Udara (KASAU) Marsekal TNI Yuyu Sutisna mengatakan bahwa flight test direncanakan pada September atau Oktober mendatang.
“Satu sampai dua bulan lagi flight test. Kemudian (yang pesawat yang lain) berurutan,” kata Yuyu usai memimpin upacara peresmian Depo Pemeliharaan (Depohar) 80, Satuan Pemeliharaan (Sathar) 24, 43, 54, 55, 81,82, dan 83 di pelataran pesawat utama Lanud Iswahjudi, Kabupaten Magetan, Rabu (31/7).
Libatkan pihak Lockheed Martin sebagai supervisi
Uji terbang itu untuk mengetahui hasil upgrade pesawat F-16 A/B yang dimulai sejak September 2017. Upaya memperpanjang usia pakai 15 hingga 25 tahun dan peningkatan sistem avionik level berat pada salah satu jet tempur ini dinyatakan hampir rampung.
Meski demikian, para teknisi dari TNI Angkatan Udara, PT Dirgantara Indonesia tetap menjalankan tugasnya hingga sembilan pesawat lain sejenis juga berhasil diperbarui. Kegiatan bernama Enhanced Mid-Life Update (EMLU) – The Falcon Structural Augmentation Rodmap (Falcon STAR) ini bakal berlangsung hingga beberapa waktu ke depan.
Adapun EMLU-Falcon STAR ini merupakan kerjasama antara Pemerintah Indonesia dengan Lockheed Martin (produsen pesawat F-16 asal Amerika. Perwakilan perusahaan dari Negeri Pam Sam terlibat dalam supervisi pelaksaan pekerjaan. “Pekerjaannya tetap di Skatek karena itu proyek dengan Locked Martin sampai selesai,” ujar Yuyu.
Rudal canggih dipasang pada jet tempur ini
Pembaruan yang dijalankan dalam proyek itu di antaranya, pemasangan Rudal Beyond Visual Range (BVR) yang memiliki jangkauan lebih dari 30 kilometer. Selain itu, AMRAAM untuk melepaskan rudal udara ke udara dengan jarak jangka 60 nautical mile atau sekitar 110 kilometer.
Juga, Fire Control Radar dan JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munitio) yang merupakan bom dengan dilengkapi pemandu laser. “Yang diperbaiki airframe dan avionik,” kata Yuyu kepada sejumlah wartawan.
Jadi kebanggaan personel TNI
Untuk pengadaan sparepart, dalam proyek EMLU-Falcon STAR ini ada dua tipe kontrak. Pertama menggunakan mekanisme dengan mitra alias Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) dan Foreign Military Sales (FMS) atau Government to Government.
Proyek EMLU-Falcon STAR menjadi kebanggan personel TNI terutama para teknisi. Sebab, mampu meningkatkan kemampuan para teknisi TNI Angkatan Udara. Apalagi, pekerjaan yang termasuk level berat itu baru pertama dilakukan di satuan setingkat skadron teknik.
(IDN Times)
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Fully fitted with weapons. Very nice.
So the latest perpres for weapons acquisition already took effect? Or nothing but a fluke?
Hopefully Iver will be the same.
What were the specs for this new batch again...? European CMS instead of Chinese CMS if I recall...?
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OMG where did you get that? LOL nice one
Nice writing from Mr.Cronin. In short, they should stop being bully about the trade defisit/tariffs and work with us. Tho I am not confident this is the kind of step they will take if Thrump win again.
Woootttt
I like this new KASAL and his statement about wanting to change FFBNW purchased model. 1 extra year to equipped is kinda acceptable. But 2-3 years to fully equipped our new vessels is just...umm I let the emoticon say it 
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Well trade war is going to happen regardless who won 2016 election back then. Only different scope and method, Obama's administration made US backed economic block designed to counter China's economy influence like TPP ( Trans Pacific Partnership ) however when Pres.Donald J.Trump ascended to power in 2016, he withdrew US from TPP, dismantled NAFTA ( renegotiated terms with Canada & Mexico like Ford relocation to Monterrey which cancelled or tarrif on Canadian alumunium ) and rebuilt new ones, began to commence trade war againts China and recently EU. Political establishments from Republican Party & Democrats Party actually figured out how to commence " safe " trade war against China but then Donald J.Trump arose and started his own campaigns, worsened by far right advisors like Steve Bannon & John Bolton, this only get worse and worse. Good thing about trade war is actually companies relocating its manufacturing plants from China in order to escape tarrifs, some go to Southeast Asia, others to emerging economies like Mexico and Brazil and one thing trade war not only hurting Chinese economic but also US itself ( like tarrifs on Boeing aircrafts & Apple phone products which made in China and retaliatory tarrifs on agriculture products like Soya Bean, Corn, Onion, Wheat, Pig ), the effects began affecting US itself that even Trump introduced Aid package to farmers, this wouldn't go well. Those farmers & agriculture workers made up majority of Republican establishment ( i even watched Nebraskan Governor spoke out against Trump & Republican policies ) and these trade wars killing their jobs and even if someday trade war is over, they already lost the market, China now imports soya bean & chicken from Brazil. Now we see former VP Joe Bidden started his campaigns in Pittsburgh ( heart of american labours and industries ) and other democrat candidates like Senator Elizabeth Warren & Bernie Sanders focused on states narrowly lost in 2016 elections like Pennsylvania. Now let's see who democrats standard bearer who can exploits Trump & Republican flaws policies and won GOP & popular votesOMG where did you get that? LOL nice one
Nice writing from Mr.Cronin. In short, they should stop being bully about the trade defisit/tariffs and work with us. Tho I am not confident this is the kind of step they will take if Thrump win again.
Woootttt
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Oh wow, they did? I read about how the farmer is fading away from Thrump background but never thought it could be a major impact in a future. The way they doing the trade war with China using tariffs instrument as a main tools really like using double edge sword. In this open market era and layers of internationally company ownership some of the big company in US is already getting finance from china direct/indirectly or the holding company has china ownsership company in some cases. So yeah, what they do while impacting the chinese economy directly but also weakening their own industry and market. Pushing Huawei into the corner will make them create their own android version and jeopardizing google monopoly, I read somehwere the China cellular/mobile phone market in total have exceed 50% on global market? Imagine if they have their own OS
Tho I am really interested to see how their policy is going to effect our Defense posture and regional power balance. And most importantly how we are going to response with the possible changes in US Govt policy/leadership. As sis rouge said "gunship diplomacy" I do agree at some point that we need more air+naval forces deterence purchased happen in the 3rd MEF so we can have more leverage in diplomacy regionally. 2020-2024 is the final stage in MEF and in my personal oppinion is the most important stage. If we lacking on this third step all those stages before with billions dollar spending wont have decent multiplier force effect as intended.
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