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TNI Chief visited KF-X/IF-X hanggar at PTDI in Bandung.

Wujud Perhatian Serius, Panglima TNI Tinjau Hanggar KFX/IFX di Bandung

Panglima TNI tinjau hanggar KFX/IFX/ Foto: beny adrian/ mylesat.com

Pemberitaan seputar keikutsertaan Indonesia dalam proyek pembuatan pesawat tempur Generasi 4,5 KFX/IFX dengan Korea Selatan tidak pernah stabil. Selalu naik turun dan cenderung tidak pasti.

Pesawat tempur ini diberi nama Korean Fighter Xperiment dan Indonesia Fighter Xperiment (KFX/IFX).

Seperti beberapa bulan lalu, diberitakan bahwa Indonesia disebutkan tengah mempertimbangkan untuk menarik diri dari program pembuatan KFX/IFX dengan Korea Selatan.

Oven berbentuk lorong hijau ini akan digunakan untuk memanaskan komponen KFX/IFX. Foto: beny adrian/ mylesat.com

Padahal awal Januari 2018 dalam kapasitasnya sebagai KSAU, Marsekal Hadi Tjahjanto saat menerima Chief Of Staff (COS) ROKAF Jenderal Lee Wang-Keun di Mabesau menyampaikan harapannya agar program KFX/IFX bisa berjalan lancar.

“Kerjasama militer antara Indonesia dan Korea Selatan, khususnya antara kedua angkatan udara, perlu ditingkatkan,” ujar Hadi.

Hadi berharap program kerjasama pembuatan pesawat tempur KFX/IFX dapat berjalan dengan lancar.

“Saat ini Indonesia sedang mengalami lompatan teknologi yang lebih tinggi pada program KFX/IFX yang merupakan pesawat generasi 4,5. Personel kami yang dididik di Korea Selatan juga sudah memiliki kemampuan tinggi,” tegas Hadi saat itu.

Nah, kebetulan berada di hanggar KFX/IFX milik Kementerian Pertahanan di kawasan PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI), Senin (16/7/2018), Panglima TNI Marsekal Hadi Tjahjanto pun langsung meninjau fasilitas yang sudah terpasang di hanggar ini.

Sore itu sebenarnya Panglima TNI tengah memeriksa kesiapan terkait akan dilaksanakannya pengarahan oleh Presiden Joko Widodo kepada Babinsa se-Indonesia yang dilaksanakan di hanggar KFX/IFX.

Hanggar KFX/IFX yang digunakan saat pengarahan Presiden Jokowi kepada Babinsa. Foto: beny adrian/ mylesat.com

Didampingi Direktur Utama PTDI, Elfien Goentoro, Panglima TNI dan KSAD Jenderal TNI Mulyono diajak melihat salah satu fasilitas yang sudah terpasang di hanggar KFX/IFX.

Berbentuk lorong dengan panjang sekitar enam meter, alat mirip silinder berwarna hijau ini terlihat sudah terpasang sebanyak dua unit. Satunya lagi berukuran lebih kecil.

“Ini dari mana, Pak Dirut,” tanya Panglima TNI kepada Elfien yang mengatakan bahwa silinder hijau ini berasal dari Jerman.

Menurut Elfien, lorong hijau ini adalah semacam oven yang berfungsi untuk memanaskan komponen yang selesai dibuat. Sesuai pembicaraan awal dengan pihak Korea, PTDI memang akan membuat sejumlah komponen untuk pesawat KFX/IFX.

Tidak lama memang Panglima TNI meninjau fasilitas ini. Namun kedatangan Marsekal Hadi sudah cukup sebagai isyarat perhatiannya terhadap proyek KFX/IFX.

Dua oven hijau yang sudah terpasang di hanggar KFX/IFX. Foto: beny adrian/ mylesat.com

Hanggar KFX/IFX mulai dibangun tahun 2015, ditandai peletakan batu pertama pembangunan hanggar di kawasan PTDI di Bandung, Rabu, 2 September 2015.

Pembangunan hanggar KF-X/IF-X dilakukan di atas tanah seluas 4 hektar.

Teks: beny adrian

https://mylesat.com/2018/07/22/wuju...nglima-tni-tinjau-hanggar-kfx-ifx-di-bandung/

 

[NEKONEKO]

Keep in mind the infographic merely presenting the quantity and hull class that is currently in operation, thus doesn't reflect anything in term of actual combat capabilities of each platform.

Personally, I have strong doubts regarding our ASW capabilities (both sub and surface platforms) especially when comparing to what our neighbours currently operate / will operate . I just hope the next Type 214 that will be acquired could somehow make it up for that gap in capability

>Asw capabilities compared to our neighbours.
Is it quality or quantity you are complaining? i quess the first.

Vietnam currently operates 6 kilo.
Malaysia 2 scorpene. Afaik they won't get any new submarine any time soon.
Singapore operates old submarine with 2 of them upgraded with AIP, soon will receive type 218sg.
Thailand gonna get new chinese submarine.
Australia 6 collins and i need to mention that they have P8, and gonna get a whooping 12 new shortfin barracuda, and also will receive 9 new asw frigate.
Apart from Australia, the others(and us) not so impressive.

Just be patient, with the squadron 100th being reactivated and the current order of type 209, i think its enough, not impressive but enough.
There is still no info about the parchim replacement will it be asw or general purpose vessel.
Type 214? what? Are you typo?
Afaik the MEF was 8 submarines, 2 cakra class, 3 changbogo 2 finished(403, 404), 1 still in construction(405),and another 3 changbogo.
They revised down from 12 to 8 because i think its logical to have 6 new submarine until 2024, 6 years left to build the 406, 407, 408.
Post 2024 maybe the MEF would be 12 sub, and arent we are gonna join South Korea to develop next gen submarine and destroyer? someone posted the news here but already buried and can't find it on google.
So i think it will be South Korean submarine rather than German, and also its korean destroyer rather than european.
Penggemar iver dan de zeven jangan terlalu ngarep ntar kecewa
IMHO

 

[Nike]

The theme is PENERBAL

 

[gondes]

PT Pindad close to starting modern medium-weight tank production

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  by Dylan Malyasov
  
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Photo by PT Pindad


Indonesian defence company PT Pindad is nearing serial production of the modern medium-weight tank production called Kaplan MT (Medium Tank) developed jointly by Turkish company FNSS.

PT Pindad has announced that company is close to starting Kaplan MT production at a new factory in Indonesia, which series production expects will begin in 2019.

FNSS and PT Pindad initiated the project to develop modern medium weight tank in November 2014. At the moment, the Philippines can also join the project, Philippines Army also shows interest in acquiring a new medium tank.




Jointly developed by FNSS-PT Pindad, Kaplan MT’s design architecture with advanced ballistic and mine protection systems allows the use of a wide range of NATO-standard ammunition that can engage targets at a maximum distance of 10km.

Kaplan MT is fitted with a two-man CMI Cockerill 3105 turret armed with a Cockerill 105mm high-pressure gun which can fire both AP (Armour Piercing) and HE (High Explosive) ammunitions.

The vehicle owes its advanced mobility capability to its 6 wheeled anti-shock suspension system, built on torsion bars with double pinned tracks which provides optimum performance on both urban infrastructure and cross country. The vehicle is fully operable in a broad range of altitude and humidity, and temperatures. (-32°C/+55°C).

The Kaplan’s power pack is equipped with capacity cooling pack and fuel tanks. The cooling pack is cooled by an intelligent software driven hydraulic fan for optimum torque extraction and fuel economy, and two separate fuel tanks provide a minimum operating range of 450km. An auxiliary power unit enables turret operation when vehicle engine is not running by charging battery system. Advanced battery monitoring system is also equipped for optimum power management and silent watch capabilities.

The vehicle interior is engineered carefully considering crew ergonomics and different tactical and battlefield conditions including driving, firing and ammunition loading and unloading. Special type of driver seat allows the operator to benefit from enhanced field of view and convenient access to dashboard and other driving instruments.

https://defence-blog.com/army/pt-pindad-close-starting-modern-medium-weight-tank-production.html/amp

A blog. But as it gives a bit technical detail, I just put it here for some thoughts.

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Keep in mind the infographic merely presenting the quantity and hull class that is currently in operation, thus doesn't reflect anything in term of actual combat capabilities of each platform.

Personally, I have strong doubts regarding our ASW capabilities (both sub and surface platforms) especially when comparing to what our neighbours currently operate / will operate . I just hope the next Type 214 that will be acquired could somehow make it up for that gap in capability

Trishna,

Don't worry of our asw capability compare to the abundant of our neighbours' submarines.

Even we will only have 8 subs in 2024, we will not worry as long as we could maintain 26 positions of surface platforms containing asw capabilities.

We are now have 32 surface combatant ships (frigates, light fregates and corvettes) containing asw capabilities. It is sufficient but not fullfilled the minimum figure.

Minimum we should have 26 x 2 = 52 unit of surface platforms containing asw capabilities.

Our asw capability will rise higher if we also maintain to provide at least six positions of fixed wing fast asw aircraft.

That's why we also need at least 6 unit of P8 Poseidon aircrafts.

Not much, 6 unit saja tidak banyak-banyak, yang penting punya.

Lagian, mau perang sama siapa ?

 

[Logam42]

FNSS and PT Pindad initiated the project to develop modern medium weight tank in November 2014. At the moment, the Philippines can also join the project, Philippines Army also shows interest in acquiring a new medium tank.

Waaaay too late to 'join' the project. Pindad and FNSS have already agreed to carve up the areas of jurisdiction and marketing.
Asia-Pasific is Pindad's share. Phillipines will enter the deal as a client, not partner.

That said, who do you think will be potential buyers of the tank in Asia-Pasific? I'd say Phillipines and India.

 

[Svantana]

Indonesian 30 m midget submarine concept and plan... 2022 prototype will built

Credit:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1558572104251127

 

[Nike]

Trishna,

Don't worry of our asw capability compare to the abundant of our neighbours' submarines.

Even we will only have 8 subs in 2024, we will not worry as long as we could maintain 26 positions of surface platforms containing asw capabilities.

We are now have 32 surface combatant ships (frigates, light fregates and corvettes) containing asw capabilities. It is sufficient but not fullfilled the minimum figure.

Minimum we should have 26 x 2 = 52 unit of surface platforms containing asw capabilities.

Our asw capability will rise higher if we also maintain to provide at least six positions of fixed wing fast asw aircraft.

That's why we also need at least 6 unit of P8 Poseidon aircrafts.

Not much, 6 unit saja tidak banyak-banyak, yang penting punya.

Lagian, mau perang sama siapa ?

Punya kapal perang permukaan utama gak usah banyak banyak, formulanya cukup 8 12 16(DDG,FFG, light Frigates /Corvettes)

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Indonesian 30 m midget submarine concept and plan... 2022 prototype will built
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Credit:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1558572104251127

Should be a Modern version Sang O class or Ghadir class, and can be a lesson to further nurtured our Submarine building capability. Btw, 30 meter long and capable to bring several torps at one is lies at littoral class subs

 

[Svantana]

tw, 30 meter long and capable to bring several torps at one is lies at littoral class subs

Longer than 2016 design.

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Punya kapal perang permukaan utama gak usah banyak banyak, formulanya cukup 8 12 16(DDG,FFG, light Frigates /Corvettes)

Mbak Marine aka Madoka,

Lho saya khan hanya bilang kalo kita butuh minimal 52 unit kapal permukaan dengan kemampuan ASW.

52 unit itu nggak mesti besar2 kok, yang besar khan udah ada 32 unit, sisanya yang 20 unit khan bisa dibikin KCT (kapal cepat torpedo) yang sekelas dengan KCR 60 meter.

Lha wong Jepang yang luasnya hanya seperlima dari luas RI, Japan navy punya kapal ASW sebanyak 61 unit terdiri dari 19 unit submarine, 26 unit destroyer, 10 unit fregat, 6 unit destroyer escort.

19 + 26 + 10 + 6 = 61 ASW platform punya Japan Navy.

RI yang luasnya 5 x luas Jepang, mestinya punya 5 x 61 = 305

Tetapi khan kita belum mampu sebanyak 305 itu.

Jadi saya usul, jika RI hanya bakal punya 8 unit kapal selam, maka sisanya yang mendekati itu adalah 52 kapal permukaan campuran yang punya kemampuan ASW terdiri dari 32 kapal yang sudah ada (fregat, light fregat, korvet) dan ditambah 20 KCT.

8 + 32 + 20 = 60 unit ASW platform.

Gitu lho mbak Madoka eh Marine

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Indonesian 30 m midget submarine concept and plan... 2022 prototype will built
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Credit:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1558572104251127

Mas Svantana,

Yang prototipe 22 meter apa nggak jadi dibangun ?

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Don't worry of our asw capability compare to the abundant of our neighbours' submarines.

Even we will only have 8 subs in 2024, we will not worry as long as we could maintain 26 positions of surface platforms containing asw capabilities.

We are now have 32 surface combatant ships (frigates, light fregates and corvettes) containing asw capabilities. It is sufficient but not fullfilled the minimum figure.

Minimum we should have 26 x 2 = 52 unit of surface platforms containing asw capabilities.

Our asw capability will rise higher if we also maintain to provide at least six positions of fixed wing fast asw aircraft.

That's why we also need at least 6 unit of P8 Poseidon aircrafts.

Not much, 6 unit saja tidak banyak-banyak, yang penting punya.

Wasn't referring to quantity, but more to platform capability (signal filtering & processing, acoustic ECCM).

Although sub of our certain neighbour such as Scorpane class or Kilo class aren't something that I would call as credible threat (Kilo class is old design, while those Scorpane class is unlikely manage to dive deeper than periscope depth anytime soon). However against the latest generation of modern boat such as Type 218SG, Shortfin Barracuda, Type 039A / Yuan class our quantity aspect would be rendered ineffective.

Keep in mind the acoustic environment on the western side of Wallace line is extremely noisy due to high traffic and shallow water. Those factors alone present significant challenge for signal filtering & processing. While at the eastern side of Wallace Line is whole different game due to the deeper water and the presence of thermocline that will require the use of variable depth towed sonar (of which we don't have)

Lagian, mau perang sama siapa ?

I just hope those were the norm of the future rather than the exception. However considering ChiCom bullying / aggression in the past few years, the Natuna Sea could be the flashpoint of wide scale Indo-Pacific war that would involve half of ASEAN countries on the side of US, Australia, Japan, South Korea, India pitching against ChiCom and whoever ally they could mustered.

Waaaay too late to 'join' the project. Pindad and FNSS have already agreed to carve up the areas of jurisdiction and marketing.
Asia-Pasific is Pindad's share. Phillipines will enter the deal as a client, not partner.

That said, who do you think will be potential buyers of the tank in Asia-Pasific? I'd say Phillipines and India.

the only viable way if Philippine wish to acquire Black Tiger, is for them to footing the bill of integrating new turret other than anything made in Wallonia-Belgium.

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Wasn't referring to quantity, but more to platform capability (signal filtering & processing, acoustic ECCM).

Although sub of our certain neighbour such as Scorpane class or Kilo class aren't something that I would call as credible threat (Kilo class is old design, while those Scorpane class is unlikely manage to dive deeper than periscope depth anytime soon). However against the latest generation of modern boat such as Type 218SG, Shortfin Barracuda, Type 039A / Yuan class our quantity aspect would be rendered ineffective.

Keep in mind the acoustic environment on the western side of Wallace line is extremely noisy due to high traffic and shallow water. Those factors alone present significant challenge for signal filtering & processing. While at the eastern side of Wallace Line is whole different game due to the deeper water and the presence of thermocline that will require the use of variable depth towed sonar (of which we don't have)

Trishna,

We do have variable depth sonar and side scan towed sonar on our xxxxxxxxx Class ships.

The x characters is my own censored.

We also have xxxxxxxxxxxxx hull mounted sonar installed on our ships, this kind of hull mounted sonar have ability to detect metal object in 1600 meters depth.

We also have Helras dipping sonar installed in our ASW Panther helicopters, this dipping sonar is able to be towed also.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

We do have variable depth sonar and side scan towed sonar on our xxxxxxxxx Class ships.

We also have xxxxxxxxxxxxx hull mounted sonar installed on our ships, this kind of hull mounted sonar have ability to detect metal object in 1600 meters depth.

We also have Helras dipping sonar installed in our ASW Panther helicopters, this dipping sonar is able to be towed also.

The role of Side-scan sonar is for Hydrographic research (finding wreckage or bottomed down submarine), while hull mounted by it's very nature is limited to the upper layer of thermocline, which is adequate for operating in the western side of Wallace Line because there is no thermocline due to the shallow water. However for any ASW on the eastern side of Wallace Line it's going to need dedicated variable depth towed array (example: Thales CAPTAS, TB-37/U).

The role of ASW rotorhead or any other ASW fixed wing (AS565 Panther, P8 Poseidon, S-3 Viking, etc) is to prosecute the PROSUB (probable submarine) and narrowing & escalating it into POSSUB (possible submarine) after it was confirmed.

However in order to detect the presence of PROSUB in the first place require an onboard dedicated variable depth towed sonar or some kind of fixed to the sea floor SOSSUS array.

BTW any news on our SOSSUS array network?

 

[Logam42]

the only viable way if Philippine wish to acquire Black Tiger, is for them to footing the bill of integrating new turret other than anything made in Wallonia-Belgium.

Ah, they are embargoed? That's news to me.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Ah, they are embargoed? That's news to me.

Wallonia region along with Germany also restrict all kind of arms export to Saudi Arabia, UAE, and many countries in Africa. As usual those socialist libtard EU politician had lost both common sense and business acumen (which is not surprising at all). However countries such as France, UK, Italy, South Korea, Israel, USA, Russia, and China has now find new market niche to export their defense product & service.

BTW do you know that the main reason Saudi Arabia operating M1 Abrams is because they were embargoed by German, while UAE operating Leclerc for the same reason.