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[pr1v4t33r]

According to Nota Keuangan beserta APBN 2018 released by Financial Ministry : Our research budget is IDR 41,28 Trillion or almost USD 3 billion.

Indonesia research funding is small:
"Menteri Riset Teknologi dan Pendidikan Tinggi Muhamamd Nasir mengatakan tahun ini pihaknya menggelontorkan dana untuk penelitian sebesar Rp 1,395 triliun. "

3 billion is quite an okay number, while some may argue that we still need a whole lot more..
We certainly can't equate Indonesia' R&D budget with only high education ministry' budget for R&D, that's just a tiny bit of the whole funding..

So we need to straighten up the fact..

 

[Indos]

"government is more concern on how to maintain its power..." Let's face it. Which government in this world don't do that? Which political figures in our country, when they become president, won't be concerned with clinging to power? Name your hero for 2019.

"If that fund were allocated on productive program...." Such as?

"He also needs to spend on research, not only infrastructure that become his main priority."

He is spending on research. What research do you want him to spend more? And how much more money?

Well what I have said is true. There should be a balance between spending and income in any state budget. If there is a deficit, it must be paid by debt. If the debt is too much and we dont have good foreign exchange reserve it will result in weak Rupiah because the debt is paid under foreign currency like Yen and USD.

If the spending is allocated more on how to win a vote rather than on how to develop a nation it means we are currently under a populist government. As I said in my previous post, SBY oil subsidy is a good example of that. 300 trillion oil subsidy a year is crazy. Jokowi comes to power with a promise not to repeat that mistake again. Thats why financial institution supported him some time ago. And now oil price is not as high as during SBY government but he still cant keep his promise. It means he has come into a point where a power is a lot more important than a country it self for him. I am saying this doesnt mean that I will support Prabowo because I need to see Prabowo policy on this.

Government need to educate people that oil price is not cheap. Oil price in Timor Leste is 14.000 per liter despite Timor Leste is much poorer than us if we compared GDP percapita.

There are many productive program that can be done if there is no oil subsidy in our budget. I dont need to explain further on this.

Talking about research fund, we only spend 2 percent of state budget for this. The figure is around Rp 41 trillion and it is a huge increase of several year ago when we only have Rp 8 trillion but still small compared to what Malaysia government do with Rp 150 trillion. You can check on this http://www.pikiran-rakyat.com/pendi...nggaran-riset-indonesia-harus-ditambah-410657

This Late KFX payment is another example even though it might be all false of our ministry of defense. And if KFX project must be stopped due to Jokowi policy not to hike oil price and thus burden our state budget, it can then explain on how power is so important on him.

There is also another example, a research on cruise missile jet engine. The program experiences lack of fund to do a real experiment. I dont know what happen in current situation but he and his team doesnt have enough funding from ministry of defense some time ago. If this crucial technology is not under Jokowi focus so I dont know what kind of strategic technology he is now researching. But I do hope that the project is really getting enough finding now.

3 billion is quite an okay number, while some may argue that we still need a whole lot more..
We certainly can't equate Indonesia' R&D budget with only high education ministry' budget for R&D, that's just a tiny bit of the whole funding..

So we need to straighten up the fact..

Sorry my mistake, but it is still small.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

And if KFX project must be stopped due to Jokowi policy not to hike oil price and thus burden our state budget, it can then explain on how power is so important on him.

That's a big IF right there.. and what's with the jumping conclusion?

 

[Indos]

That's a big IF right there.. and what's with the jumping conclusion?

First of all, I am a voter for Jokowi 2014 by buying his all promises, including his promise to be a rational President with his realistic oil policy. It is then can be interpreted as he has promised not to use oil as a tool to preserve power anymore, just like it did happening in previous administrations. Keeping oil price low is already known as a policy that will harm any nation to grow further in future but it is a popular policy that could keep current leader in power.

Jokowi popularity is also related with his oil price policy according to some survey. When he raise oil price, his popularity decreases. He then buy that survey and broke his promise in order to stay in power. I dont say that he will collapse if he is committed with his previous promise, but keeping low oil price is the easy way to get support, sadly in expend of country future development.

It is a disease in Indonesia politics that will hinder us from advancing base on our true potential. I hope this disease can be cured by him, but current development reveals that he still want to bring the disease into election. I dont say that his opponent Prabowo have a different policy. According to what I follow all parties want to have a low oil price, it is normal as parliament members dont want to be seen opposing the populace wants. They dont want to loose their seats in parliament.

I want him to be a great leader and cured this disease instead. He has a chance to prove to many political consultants and parliament members that being rational can also win the election. Actually he has won by bringing this idea in 2014. So why he is so afraid now ?

I have some assumption that the one wanting to preserve low oil price is PDI-P and not him. If that the case, Jokowi dont have to be afraid, he has been backed by other big parties like Golkar and Nasdem, no need to worry on PDIP too much with his current popularity and political support. Even in the beginning of his power, PDIP make many move that hurts Jokowi administration in the case of Archandra, Rini Soemarno, etc but he still can run the government.

In short, Oil price subsidy will eat other project funding in state budget. KFX program can be one of projects that can get the effect, despite its strategic important in future Indonesia. And oil price subsidy policy itself is derived from the need to preserve power. That is the conclusion is taken from.

 

[GraveDigger388]

Y'all talkin' 'bout R&D, while I'm right here sitting realistically and would be glad enough if any ToT contracts don't suffer any setbacks.

 

[Indos]

Indonesia is ranked 4 most powerful in Asia Pacific by Australian institute for 2030. Respectively, China, US, India, Indonesia, Russia, Japan.

2018 The Sydney-based Lowy Institute’s interactive Asia Pacific Power Index

https://power.lowyinstitute.org/countries.php?profile=106

 

[Bungaterakhir]

at least 40% budget from defence ministry this year to support our local defense industry. im happy for it..

 

[Nike]

Police continue terrorism crackdown in Java, Sumatra

• News Desk
  The Jakarta Post
  

Jakarta | Sun, May 20, 2018 | 05:22 pm

Members of the National Police's Densus 88 counterterrorism squad raid the house where a family suspected of taking part in the recent suicide bombings resided in Surabaya on May 15. Indonesia's elite counterterrorism force Densus 88 conducted raids nationwide on May 15 in the wake of a deadly wave of suicide bombings as calls grow to pass a stalled security law. (AFP/Juni Kriswanto)

• 
  

The National Police's counterterrorism squad Densus 88 has made a string of arrests and raided several places in Sumatra and Java on Friday, the police announced over the weekend.

News agency Antara reported three people had been arrested in three separate locations in Sumatra on Friday. One, YR, was arrested in Ogan Komering Hulu in South Sumatra; another, HS, in Pekanbaru, Riau; and the third, Sup, in Pesawaran in Lampung.

All three were accused of being linked to the attack on the Riau Police headquarters in Pekanbaru on Thursday, the day before the arrests.

The suspects were members of Jamaah Anshar Daulah (JAD), a local terror group affiliated with the Islamic State (IS), said South Sumatra Police chief Insp. Gen Zulkarnain Adinegara.

Earlier, the police had arrested eight others in connection with the Riau Police headquarters attack in several places in Dumai, Riau. The eight were identified as HAR, NI, AS, SW, HD, YEP, DS and SY.

Also on Friday, the police raided four houses in one kampung in Mangun Jaya, South Tambun. Four suspects were thought to reside in the houses, but no tenants were found at the time of the raid.

The four tenants were identified as AG, IL, YH and IN, and they lived close to each other, Tambun Police chief Comr. Rahmat Sudjatmiko said as quoted by Warta Kota.

From the raid, the police confiscated several items such as books, a computer, CDs on religious teachings, a cell phone and a bag of nails.

“We are still investigating the suspects’ involvement in terrorist networks,” Rahmat said.

The landlord of the four houses, Abu Sofyan, said AH, YH and IN had been renting the houses for more than eight months, while IL had been there for only two months. “All four individuals whose houses were raided have families,” Abu Sofyan said.

He said the four tenants rarely interacted with other residents in the neighborhood. “None of them mingled with the residents; they were all introverted,” he said. (roi/ami/evi)

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...inue-terrorism-crackdown-in-java-sumatra.html

 

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[El Sidd]

Hellooo indoneisianss

How you doing over there.

El Sidd

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

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3 set launcher Sylver A35 berarti 3 modul/12 sel untuk satu kapal ajah.

Lumayan

 

[Indos]

3 set launcher Sylver A35 berarti 3 modul/12 sel untuk satu kapal ajah.

Lumayan

Can it target supersonic anti ship missile ?

I think we should chose Aster instead.

 

[striver44]

Can it target supersonic anti ship missile ?

I think we should chose Aster instead.

Thr money??

 

[Indos]

Thr money??

Ya I know it is expensive but I think it is a must since we are anticipating modern naval war. It will be more expensive if we lost ship or even entire fleet due to lack of anti missile system. Actually we have CIWS but at certain angle and at double missile strike it will lose its effectiveness. There is also countermeasure system but I believe it is still not enough.

I would rather waiting for the money to buy sophisticated weapon instead of installing what ever weapon we currently can afford, since possibility to have real war in this region is still low, at least for the next 5 - 7 years. After 2025, balance of power in the region will be shifted into China favor due to US decline. That is the time where we have to be ready.

I hope for next frigate project we choose Aster or any Aster comparable. If we dont have the money yet, better build the platform (vessel) first and wait until the money arrive for the weapon.

Nevertheless, it is the first medium SAM system installed at our frigate. I am still happy for it.

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Indonesia research funding is small:

"Menteri Riset Teknologi dan Pendidikan Tinggi Muhamamd Nasir mengatakan tahun ini pihaknya menggelontorkan dana untuk penelitian sebesar Rp 1,395 triliun. Selain itu ada penambahan alokasi untuk Perguruan Tinggi Negeri Badan Hukum sebesar Rp 380,4 miliar. Sementara untuk dana pengabdian kepada masyarakat juga dikucurkan senilai Rp 150 miliar."

https://nasional.tempo.co/read/833275/dana-riset-2017-pemerintah-gelontorkan-hampir-rp-14-t

Take a look at what year of the news was (2017) and compare with what I've mentioned for year 2018 budget.

Rather than duplicating the turtle building arrogancy only criticized on our govt efforts including on research budget, you should realize that this budget effort increased very significantly.