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[pr1v4t33r]

Kalo BT-3F udah jadi trus pesen 50 - 100 biji emang bs dapet ToT dari Rusia?

Mungkin seperti pembelian BMP-3F. Kontrak kerjasamanya jelas, tapi realisasinya nggak tau juga...

BMP, dalam bahasa Rusia Boyevaya Mashina Pyekhota, Sebelumnya TNI AL sudah memperoleh Tank BMP-3F pada tahun 2010 sebanyak 17 unit, jadi total semuanya sebanyak 54 unit. BMP-3F akan menjadi kekuatan utama marinir sebagai bagian dari komponen Sistem Senjata Armada Terpadu (SSAT) TNI AL. Kontrak pembeliannya 37 unit BMP-3F resmi ditandatangi oleh Kepala Badan Sarana Pertahanan (Kabaranahan) Kemhan Mayjen TNI Ediwan Prabowo bersama Kepala Perwakilan JSC Rosoboronexport (Rusia), Jumat, 11 Mei 2012, di Kantor Kementrian pertahanan (Kemhan) RI. Selain kontrak pembelian dilakukan juga penandatanganan kerjasama Transfers of Technology (ToT) yang memungkinkan kedepanya indonesia bisa memproduksi sendiri Tank BMP 3F.

http://www.tnial.mil.id/tabid/79/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/17860/Default.aspx

 

[skyhigh88]

Anoa APCs in Service with PASPAMPRES (Presidential Security Unit)
Merdeka Palace Compound, Jakarta, Indonesia
November 4, 2016

Mungkin seperti pembelian BMP-3F. Klo kontrak kerjasamanya jelas, tapi realisasinya nggak tau juga...

Selain kontrak pembelian dilakukan juga penandatanganan kerjasama Transfers of Technology (ToT) yang memungkinkan kedepanya indonesia bisa memproduksi sendiri Tank BMP 3F.

I see. Tp kontrak ToTnya juga masih vauge bgt (mungkin, kedepan).. harusnya bikin yg jls seperti deal2 ToTnya PT PAL.. Kalau ambil 100 biji ya 50 bikin disana lalu sisa 50nya bikin disini

 

[Nike]

Jalan-jalan k forum sebelah malah katanya marinir kecewa, belom apa2 udah rusak. hadeeeh...
Masuk nih TATA kestrel, klo nggak ya BT-3F.

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Dont believe it too much. Ijal Lubis is notorious contributor of JKGR, aka bang Jalo. Put it with grain of salts.

kestrel yg design DRDO untuk TATA ,DRDO juga menciptakan arjun ,drone nishant yg semuanya produk gagal ..ketik aja di google image "nishant crash "

Sebatas MoU aja ,jangan kontrak.. haha

Dont made generalizations. We know Indian DRDO sometimes made junks, but not all of them is like that.

 

[initial_d]

i prefer singaporean terrex for wheeled infantry combat vehicle, or russian kurganets 25 for tracked ifv, rather than ukraine or indian goods

 

[Star Bugs]

Perdebatan Serius Soal PTDI




This is a focused group discussion in which PTDI did not attend despite the invitation. One of the key issue is PTDI being monopolized by one foreign company's products. Thus, TNI-AU has no choice but to use that foreign brand.

 

[Nike]

The issue is lies in their QC not on their overall design. As fucked up as our manufacturing industries, we had more stringent QC than both countries. As long as we can get their blue print i had confidence those vehicles will become another beast at another level.

 

[skyhigh88]

Cope West 17
MANADO, NORTH SULAWESI, INDONESIA
October – November 2016
Photos by Cpl. Aaron Henson
Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni

An Indonesian Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon takes off from Sam Ratulangi International Airport, Indonesia, during exercise Cope West 17, Nov. 2, 2016.

A U.S. Marine Corps F/A-18D Hornet with Marine All-Weather Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA (AW)) 225, takes off from Sam Ratulangi International Airport, Indonesia, during exercise Cope West 17, Nov. 2, 2016.

 

[faries]

The issue is lies in their QC not on their overall design. As fucked up as our manufacturing industries, we had more stringent QC than both countries. As long as we can get their blue print i had confidence those vehicles will become another beast at another level.

same design, better quality, better armor...look on how Pindad pimp the Bushmaster, its look better and prettier. Our military will not accept the product if it doesnt pass the quality control.

i prefer singaporean terrex for wheeled infantry combat vehicle, or russian kurganets 25 for tracked ifv, rather than ukraine or indian goods

I think its more difficult in Pindad to get license or MoU when its Terrex or Russian's compared to Tata's...maybe because of easier condition and more benefit they get.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

This is a focused group discussion in which PTDI did not attend despite the invitation. One of the key issue is PTDI being monopolized by one foreign company's products. Thus, TNI-AU has no choice but to use that foreign brand.

Let's open-up the Pandora box. Anyone have more info about this issue? We can list all the "problems" that being thrown up by the air force to find out the why, and then dwell on how PT.DI and air force can improve this situation.

i prefer singaporean terrex for wheeled infantry combat vehicle, or russian kurganets 25 for tracked ifv, rather than ukraine or indian goods

Those are state of the art armored vehicles that only recently being developed. With our current procurement budget, we won't get any transfer of technology deal. Just take a look at Marder medium tank. Some say that we can't even get the blue print for that old stuff, that's why we go ahead with a new development deal.

 

[nametag]

Dont made generalizations. We know Indian DRDO sometimes made junks, but not all of them is like that.

Agree with this one, TATA is a private company. and in my opinion has better track record than India government/state company like HAL.

It's like comparing Palindo and DKB.

 

[Nike]

INDODEFENCE 2016
Trucks for export [INDODEF16-D3]
CHRISTOPHER F FOSS
04 November 2016

Indian company Tata Motors (Hall D, Stand 228) is displaying two of its latest production cross-country military trucks, the LPTA715 and the LPTA 2036.

The Tata LPTA 715 (4x4) is being shown in the Troop Carrier General Support (GS) role, with a two-door fully enclosed cab and the cargo area at the rear fitted with bows and a tarpaulin cover. According to Tata, it has delivered more than 50,000 to the Indian Army and normally delivers 3,000 units a year.

The second vehicle being shown is the LPTA 2036 (6x6) High Mobility Vehicle (HMV), with the Indian Army placing a contract for 1,800 units.

This is fitted with a forward control cab equipped with a heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) system for maximum crew comfort. It is powered by a Cummins diesel developing 370hp coupled to a manual transmission, and a central tyre pressure system is fitted for improved cross-country mobility. To of the rear of the cab is a hydraulically operated mechanical handing crane, and a front-mounted self-recovery winch is also fitted.

The company is also moving into the armoured fighting vehicle domain and has built a single example of the Kestrel (8x8) infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) to meet the potential requirements of the Indian Army. It is the first vehicle of its type to be designed and built in India in cooperation with the Indian Defence Research and Development Organisation.

Kestrel has a hull of all-welded steel armour with an applique passive armour package and is fully amphibious. Gross vehicle weight is scalable from 22.5 up to 26 tonnes and it typically has a crew of two and ten dismounts. A wide range of weapon systems can be mounted on the roof, such as the complete turret of the Russian BMP-2, which is used by the Indian Army.




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http://www.janes.com/article/65266/trucks-for-export-indodef16-d3

credit to massmass

 

[MacanJawa]

Dont believe it too much. Ijal Lubis is notorious contributor of JKGR, aka bang Jalo. Put it with grain of salts.




Dont made generalizations. We know Indian DRDO sometimes made junks, but not all of them is like that.

yeah like arjun if arjun is good why they buy lot ckd t 90

 

[patu]

For now, just 1 unit. But BAKAMLA have a plan to procure up to 4 units 110 meter OPV & 10 units 80 meter OPV.
http://nasional.sindonews.com/read/...akamla-dilengkapi-kemampuan-tempur-1455103376


Mini-submarine project ready to move ahead [INDODEF16-D3]

Indonesia is moving forward with plans to develop and build an indigenous mini-submarine (Kapal Selam Mini) after completing final engineering design activities earlier this year.

PT Palindo Marine (Hall D, Stand 077) has confirmed to the Daily News that it plans to begin construction activities at its yard next year for a prototype boat. This is intended to serve as a technology demonstrator to prove the design ahead of follow-on production.

Work has been under way since 2007 to develop an indigenous submarine design capability, and to mature the Kapal Selam Mini concept to a production-ready state.

The Ministry of Defence’s research and development arm (Balitbang Kemhan) has worked with a core team of local industry and academia, including PT Palindo Marine, Institut Teknologi Sepuluh Nopember, the University of Indonesia, and BPPT. Other companies contributing to the work to date include PT Len, PT Dirgantara Indonesia, PT Barata and PT RiSEA.

The Kapal Selam Mini design baseline is a 22m boat with a 3m diameter pressure hull and a submerged displacement of 127.1 tonnes. The design, to be classified to DNV GL standards, is able to accommodate up to 12 personnel (a crew of five and seven combat swimmers), remain submerged for up to three days without snorkelling, and dive to a maximum depth of 150m. PT Palindo Marine anticipates delivery of the Kapal Selam Mini technology demonstrator in 2019.

The company is developing plans to upgrade its facilities in Batam in order to enable pressure hull manufacture.

http://www.janes.com/article/65243/mini-submarine-project-ready-to-move-ahead-indodef16-d3

Good news. As we all knew that these minisub had been discussed and programmed many years back.

By the way could you inform us about the progress of "komodo" boat, which was introduced by Its Surabaya about 3 years ago?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indo Defence 2016: New Indo SF vehicle launched
A new all-terrain assault vehicle, known as the P6 ATAV, has been unveiled at the Indo Defence exhibition.

The 4x4 has been designed by Indonesian company, SSE Defence, to cater for the Indonesian Special Forces requirement for a more mobile reconnaissance and support vehicle.

A spokesperson from SSE told Shephard that the Indonesian SF have ordered 18 with five delivered already and the rest due for delivery by the end of the year.

The P6 ATAV has an upper gun mounting and side gun mountings for weapons to provide fire support. It has independent suspension to provide better mobility and a four cylinder turbo diesel engine in the rear providing 2500cc capacity and 142 HP.

SSE’s two other vehicles on display, the P2 Komando and the P2 APC have also both secured orders. The spokesperson said that orders for five vehicles of each type have been placed by the Indonesian Army and are due to be delivered by the end of the year.

The P2 Komando is a 4x4 tactical armoured command vehicle that has space for a remote weapon station. It has a four cylinder turbo diesel engine giving 4800cc capacity and 190 HP.

The P2 APC is a 4x4 armoured personnel carrier vehicle that is also available in P2 Ambulance and P2 VIP variants. It has a multipurpose stabilised sight and space for a rooftop weapon station. The vehicle has a six cylinder turbo diesel engine offering 7200cc and 280 HP.

It took SSE five years to develop the latter two vehicles which have also appeared at Indo Defence in 2012 and 2014. The spokesperson said it was a success to have secured the latest orders for the modernised P2 APC and P2 Komando vehicles and the P6 ATAV.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/indo-defence-2016-new-indo-sf-vehicle-takes/

 

[Nike]

yeah like arjun if arjun is good why they buy lot ckd t 90

arjun is just one of their product, how about Arihant class submarine? how about Kolkata class destroyer? how about their their Pinaka MLRS? how about Agni? Phritvi? there is any Indonesian equivalent about that?